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Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« on: April 11, 2018, 06:35:08 pm »
Idk why we haven't done this yet. I just want to compile a list of PoDs from different cultures. So obviously some are:

Set/Thoth
Odin/Loki
Quetzalcoatl
Satan/Lucifer
Ishtar
Prometheus
.... Who are the numerous others?

"The Dragon became as a many-headed Serpent,
It's fiery tongues bearing forth speech
Into all the kingoms of the Earth."


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Liu

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 07:08:32 pm »
I'm not that familiar with Ishtar nor Quetzalcoatl, could you explain how they fit into the list?

Some other ideas:
Discordia (at least in her post-modern interpretation), Shemyaza and Azazel, Shiva and Kālī, Angra Mainyu.

For you as a Setian, the most important aspect about the prince/ss of darkness likely is it being the originator of consciousness and bringer of knowledge. But as we all know that often overlaps with it being a kind of anti-god, and/or it standing for the subconscious, desires, will, etc. Depending on which of these aspects you stress, some deities might fit the list or not.

If we only stress the knowledge aspect, we could add Sophia, if it's more about being against the ruling gods and representing the primal ocean of the subconscious, that would include Tiamat or perhaps even Absu. In other words, it is both Dionysos and Apollon, or at least part of either.

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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 07:37:08 pm »
Yeah I think separation from the gods/nature is key. Heck, Set wasn't technically a god of knowledge! But he did birth and was tied to Thoth.

Quetzalcoatl was the god of intelligence and knowledge as far as I can tell. He was outside of order and created this world from that of a failing one.

Ishtar was against the gods and decended into the underworld through the seven gates in order to gain knowledge. She then returned becoming immortal.

These are just AFAIK.

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It's fiery tongues bearing forth speech
Into all the kingoms of the Earth."


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Kapalika

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 10:51:17 am »
I wouldn't say separation from nature/gods, as Lui gave some examples which are associated with nature (the goddess Kali for instance). I'm not sure what the Prince of Darkness would be but if it's simply a Promethean like figure, ya that's gonna narrow it more than say a god that brings greater consciousness or originates it.

In the case of Kali she isn't directly responsible for the consciousness itself but more so the realm it exists in and the of bounds of consciousness in it's limited state but she is also the death of those limits by transfiguration/death, with Shiva being her creator (as well as the source of consciousness) and Shiva the destroyer of the limitations. Since Kali is the method towards the destruction she also isn't strictly just the limitation. This is summed up as Kali being nature/expression/method and Shiva the soul/source/conclusion.

At least that's my view as a Trika Shaivite. A lot of how it's viewed will depend on sect. Ultimately I'm not sure how Promethean either can be since they are not in a cultural context where a rebel deity is really needed so much since devas are mostly benevolent.
 
Also with Set, would his domain of night and storms define him as having aspects of nature? I honestly don't know too much about Egyptology so I'm genuinely asking.

Similarly on Loki, wouldn't he be more defined as a trickster than someone who expands conciousness and brings the proverbial "fire" to man? Or is there some mythology giving him Promthean archetypes?
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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 05:48:13 pm »
His/Its names are many; a list I've gathered from various sources.  By no means is this list complete:

Abaddon, Abiron, Aborym, Acaos, Acharon, Achas, Adonis, Adramelek, Agares, Aggareth, Alaster, Alex, Alilah, Amon, Amoyon, Andrew Malchus, Aniguel, Anizel, Antichrist, Anubis, Apollo, Apollyon, Arakiel, Ariel, Armaros, Asa, Asael, Astaroth, Asmenoth, Asmodeus, Asmodi, Astarte, Atoti, Azazel, Aziel, Baal, Baalberith, Babillo, Bali, Barakel, Barbatos, Barbuel, Barfael, Baphomet, Barron, Beelzebub, Behemoth, Beherith, Bel, Beleh, Beleth, Belenus, Belial, Belphegor, Belus, Belzebuth, Berith, Bilwitz, Brahma, Brendly, Cedon, Cedor, Cedron, Celsus, Cham, Charon, Chemos, Dagon, Death, Demogorgon, Dis, Easa, Eblis (Iblis), Erminsul, Eros, Esau-Samael, Eternity of Sorrows, Euryonomous, Ezekeel, Fafnir, Federwisch, Fenris, Flagel, Focalos, Furcas, Goap, Gresil, Griffael, Hecate, Hel, Hellekrugk, Hermes, Heva, Horus, Hutgin, Igymeth, Iris, Isaacharum, Ishtar, Isis, Jupiter, Kawkabel, Kobal, Leviathan, Lilith, Lucifer, Lucifugus, Machlath, Magog, Magon, Mammon, Macaron, Marfael, Mephistopheles, Mercury, Moloch/Molok, Neptune, Nergal, Nicker, Odin, Orphaxat, Orus, Osiris, Pan, Phoenix, Pluto, Prometheus, Raguhel, Rimmon, Samael, Satan, Seriel, Set, Shaitan, Thoth, Tiamat, Uriel, Venus, Vulcan, Wotan, Zelinda.
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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 08:33:51 pm »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

"The Dragon became as a many-headed Serpent,
It's fiery tongues bearing forth speech
Into all the kingoms of the Earth."


My book, "Behold: the Prince of Darkness!": https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1726037460/ref=dbs_a_w_dp_1726037460

Setamontet

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 09:53:42 pm »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

Set and Horus are both aspects of the Prince of Darkness.

"O learn the Law, my brothers of the night - the Great Law and the Lesser Law.
The Great Law brings the balance and doth persist without mercy.
The Lesser Law abideth as the key, and the Shining Trapezoid is the door!" - Anton LaVey

Kapalika

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 10:19:07 pm »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

Set and Horus are both aspects of the Prince of Darkness.


I can see that. Light/Dark aspect (or whatever you want to call the two complimentary parts). It's a similar parallel to what I was saying about Shiva/Kali. I also do a similar thing with Lilith and Satan.

I did notice Apollo in there and was a little surprise for me, does he have a corresponding other as well? I'm not familiar with Greek mythology to know what that would be. All I know is he pulled the sun with his chariot and that his sister was Artemis. (strangely, I have two cats named after them that are brother and sister o.0)
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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 12:07:25 am »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

Set and Horus are both aspects of the Prince of Darkness.

Originally I typed "I accept! :)" Then I waited and couldn't sent it. Set and Horus are the cosmic opposites in my understanding, one the light, material, natural, solar, and the other dark, immaterial, unnatural, and stellar. The latter being the Prince of Darkness as opposed to the former Prince of Light.

"The Dragon became as a many-headed Serpent,
It's fiery tongues bearing forth speech
Into all the kingoms of the Earth."


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Liu

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 10:51:59 am »

I did notice Apollo in there and was a little surprise for me, does he have a corresponding other as well? I'm not familiar with Greek mythology to know what that would be. All I know is he pulled the sun with his chariot and that his sister was Artemis. (strangely, I have two cats named after them that are brother and sister o.0)
Not very familiar with him either, but as I mentioned above, Dionysos is sometimes considered his opposite. At least in modern literature (19th century or so) there is sometimes this notion of an apollonian vs a dionysian mindset or life philosophy, i.e. clear thinking and rationality vs. carnality, drunkenness and emotions. I have no idea whether that notion was already present in antiquity.

One further reason for the inclusion of Apollon in that list might be that Abbadon is called Apollyon in the bible. 'Apollyon' is simply Ancient Greek for "the destroying one" and not etymologically related to Apollon but that doesn't stop people from equating them.

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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2018, 09:31:09 pm »
Princes and Princesses of Darkness (simple googling collection)

Ishtar: The cult of Inanna-Ishtar, which may have been associated with a variety of sexual rituals including homosexual transvestite priests and sacred prostitution... Many of her myths involve her taking over the domains of other deities. She was believed to have stolen the mes, which represented all positive and negative aspects of civilization, from Enki, the god of wisdom...  In the standard Akkadian version of the Epic of Gilgamesh, Ishtar is portrayed as a spoiled and hot-headed femme fatale who demands Gilgamesh become her consort. When he refuses, she unleashes the Bull of Heaven, resulting in the death of Enkidu and Gilgamesh's subsequent grapple with his mortality...

Astarte: appears as a daughter of Epigeius, "sky" (anc. Greek: Οὐρανός ouranos/ Uranus; Roman god: Caelus) and Ge (Earth), and sister of the god Elus. After Elus overthrows and banishes his father Epigeius, as some kind of trick Epigeius sends Elus his "virgin daughter" Astarte along with her sisters Asherah and the goddess who will later be called Ba`alat Gebal, "the Lady of Byblos".[6] It seems that this trick does not work, as all three become wives of their brother Elus. Astarte bears Elus children who appear under Greek names as seven daughters called the Titanides or Artemidesand two sons named Pothos "Longing" (as in πόθος, lust) and Eros "Desire". Later with Elus' consent, Astarte and Hadad reign over the land together. Astarte puts the head of a bull on her own head to symbolize Her sovereignty. Wandering through the world, Astarte takes up a star that has fallen from the sky (a meteorite) and consecrates it at Tyre.

Quetzalcoatl: he was the wind; he was the guide, the road sweeper of the rain gods, of the masters of the water, of those who Brough rain. And when the wind increased, it was said, the dust swirled up, it roared, howled, became dark, blew in all directions; there was lightning; it grew wrathful.[13]... Quetzalcoatl went to Mictlan, the underworld, and created fifth-world mankind from the bones of the previous races (with the help of Cihuacoatl), using his own blood, from a wound he inflicted on his earlobes, calves, tongue, and penis, to imbue the bones with new life.

Prometheus: (/prəˈmiːθiːəs/; Greek: Προμηθεύς, pronounced [promɛːtʰeús], meaning "forethought")[1] is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who is credited with the creation of man from clay, and who defies the gods by stealing fire and giving it to humanity, an act that enabled progress and civilization. Prometheus is known for his intelligence and as a champion of mankind.[2]... Prometheus became a figure who represented human striving, particularly the quest for scientific knowledge, and the risk of overreaching or unintended consequences. In particular, he was regarded in the Romantic era as embodying the lone genius whose efforts to improve human existence could also result in tragedy: Mary Shelley, for instance, gave The Modern Prometheus as the subtitle to her novel Frankenstein (1818)...
In the trick at Mekone (535–544), a sacrificial meal marking the "settling of accounts" between mortals and immortals, Prometheus played a trick against Zeus. He placed two sacrificial offerings before the Olympian: a selection of beef hidden inside an ox's stomach (nourishment hidden inside a displeasing exterior), and the bull's bones wrapped completely in "glistening fat" (something inedible hidden inside a pleasing exterior). Zeus chose the latter, setting a precedent for future sacrifices (556-557). Henceforth, humans would keep that meat for themselves and burn the bones wrapped in fat as an offering to the gods.

Set: Seth, Setekh, Sut, Sutekh, Sety) was one of the most ancient of the Egyptian gods and the focus of worship since the Predynastic Period. As part of the Ennead of Heliopolis he was the son of Nutand Geb... He was a storm god associated with strange and frightening events such as eclipses, thunderstorms and earthquakes. He also represented the desert and, by extension, the foreign lands beyond the desert... he lived in the Great Bear, a constellation in the northern sky - an area which symbolized darkness, and death. He was restrained with chains and guarded by his wife Taweret, the hippo goddess of childbirth. He was given the two foreign goddesses Anat and Astarte (war goddesses from the Syria-Palestine area and daughters of Ra) as wives in compensation for Ma´at's (or Neith's) ruling that Horusshould rule Egypt... Although they fought, neither party could win and it was believed that they would continue to fight until the end of time when Ma'at was destroyed and the waters of Nun(chaos) engulfed the world... Ramesses II's divided his army into four divisions, and named one after Set. When he fought the Hittities he was described as being "like Set in the moment of his power" and "like Set, great-of-strength". He even named his daughter Bint-Anat (Daughter of Anath, Set's wife)...

Lucifer: In ancient Canaanite mythology, the morning star is pictured as a god, Attar, who attempted to occupy the throne of Ba'al and, finding he was unable to do so, descended and ruled the underworld.... Similarities have been noted with the East Semiticstory of Ishtar's or Inanna's descent into the underworld,[45] Ishtar and Inanna being associated with the planet Venus...

The Devil: Historically, the Devil can be defined as the personification of whatever is perceived in society as evil and the depiction consist of its cultural traditions.[3] In Christianity, the manifestation of the Devil is the Hebrew Satan; the primary opponent of God.[4][5] While in Christiany, the Devil was created by God, in Absolute dualism, the Devil is alternatively seen as an independent principle besides the good God...

Ahriman: To aid him in attacking the light (Spenta Mainyu, the good creation of Ahura Mazdā), Angra Mainyu created a horde of demons embodying envy and similar qualities... In thedualisticbeliefs of early Zoroastrianism, good and evil fought for control of the world—Ahura Mazda from the heavens and Ahriman from theunderworld.The two forces were evenly matched, and each in turn gained supremacy. Ahura Mazda represented fire, sunlight, and life. Ahriman was the lord of darkness and death. Zoroastrianslater came to view Ahura Mazda as the supreme ruler who would one day achieve final victoryover Ahriman... A similar statement occurs in Yasna 30.3, where the antithesis is however aka mainyu, aka being the Avestan language word for "evil". Hence, aka mainyuis the "evil spirit" or "evil mind" or "evil thought," as contrasted with spenta mainyu, the "bounteous spirit" with which Ahura Mazda conceived of creation, which then "was"... Yasht 15.43 assigns Angra Mainyu to the nether world, a world of darkness. So also Vendidad 19.47, but other passages in the same chapter (19.1 and 19.44) have him dwelling in the region of the daevas, which the Vendidad asserts is in the north. There (19.1, 19.43–44), Angra Mainyu is the daevanam daevo, "daeva of daevas" or chief of the daevas. 

 Melek Taus: In the Garden of Eden Tawsi Melek made his influence felt among all the races and their descendants destined to populate the Earth. He taught Adam and Eve, the parents of the pre-destined 72 tribes of Earth people, the secrets of worship and human evolution. Later, each of the 72 tribes took his image and teachings with them to their new homes... God ordered Tawûsê Melek not to bow to other beings. Then God created the other archangels and ordered them to bring him dust (Ax) from the Earth (Erd) and build the body of Adam. Then God gave life to Adam from his own breath and instructed all archangels to bow to Adam. The archangels obeyed except for Tawûsê Melek. In answer to God, Tawûsê Melek replied, “How can I submit to another being! I am from your illumination while Adam is made of dust.” Then God praised him and made him the leader of all angels and his deputy on the Earth. (This likely furthers what some see as a connection to the Islamic Shaytan, as according to the Quran he too refused to bow to Adam at God’s command, though in this case it is seen as being a sign of Shaytan’s sinful pride.) 

Odin: he often ventures far from their kingdom, Asgard, on long, solitary wanderings throughout the cosmos on purely self-interested quests. He’s a relentless seeker after and giver of wisdom, but he has little regard for communal values such as justice, fairness, or respect for law and convention. He’s the divine patron of rulers, and also of outcasts. He’s a war-god, but also a poetry-god, and he has prominent “effeminate” qualities that would have brought unspeakable shame to any historical Norse/Germanic warrior. He’s worshiped by those in search of prestige, honor, and nobility, yet he’s often cursed for being a fickle trickster... For Odin, any kind of limitation is something to be overcome by any means necessary, and his actions are carried out within the context of a relentless and ruthless quest for more wisdom, more knowledge, and more power, usually of a magical sort. Odin’s competitive side once drove him to challenge the wisest of the giants to a contest to see who was more knowledgeable and learned. The prize was the head of the loser, and Odin won by asking his opponent something that only he himself could know. Odin then claimed his prize and returned to Asgard.[10]


"The Dragon became as a many-headed Serpent,
It's fiery tongues bearing forth speech
Into all the kingoms of the Earth."


My book, "Behold: the Prince of Darkness!": https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1726037460/ref=dbs_a_w_dp_1726037460

pi_rameses

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2018, 12:24:22 am »
What about Cernunnos?

Also wanted to write a thesis for recommending Anansi and Roog from Ashanti and Serer lore respectively.
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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2018, 11:27:28 am »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

Set and Horus are both aspects of the Prince of Darkness.

Hrwfy
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Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2018, 02:53:16 pm »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

Set and Horus are both aspects of the Prince of Darkness.

Hrwfy

Hrwfy is just the prince of darkness and the prince of light in a monistic whole.

"The Dragon became as a many-headed Serpent,
It's fiery tongues bearing forth speech
Into all the kingoms of the Earth."


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Setamontet

Re: Every Arguable Prince(ss) of Darkness Ever
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 05:43:31 pm »
I don't see how this list could be accurate, for example it lists both Set and Horus as PoD.

Set and Horus are both aspects of the Prince of Darkness.

I probably should have said that Set and Horus both are aspects of the Prince of Darkness, he/It has many more aspects than just two.  And to me Set and Horus are much more than one being the dark and the other being the light side of a particular being.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 05:51:11 pm by Setamontet »

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