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NEMO 93

Downsides of a solitary path
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:08:43 pm »
I've noticed a lot of my problems come from my path being solitary lately. I mean there's stuff I can definitely fix on my own and still be solitary but some aspects that matter will not be the same.

-Motivation

I'd argue I should have self-motivation and dedication anyways. It's hard to remember to balance that motivation equally to mundane and spiritual life and it can be hard to come by at all on some days. It can be easier when you have someone that will check in on you periodically even if its just a social call cause as an extrovert, it sucks to not have anything new to talk about.

-Cross-comparison

It's hard to have that enthusiaism without someone to compare notes with. It helps you know if you're on the right track or not, course-correct. You learn alot from colleagues. The more I narrow my path down, the harder this comes to be. It's good to have someone to point out things you miss as well.

-Collaboration

Collaboraitive process has a way of jump starting creativity.

-Community

As terrible of an idea as grades turned out to be in mystery schools in practice, I can see the want for the concept now. People around the same world view to talk with because while I'm not any type of prodigy or something: most of the people who I end up talkng to me about this are dabblers and it can be hard to relate or know how to converse about it with those people.

Onyx

Re: Downsides of a solitary path
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 02:28:41 pm »
I was discussing the concept of Focus with someone the other day. In my case, I have many interests and tend to drag myself in too many directions. So I'm going to try to change that habit, because mastering a particular thing requires dedication.

It's good to have mentors who are supportive but honest. This can work within the context of a degree system, but I think such a thing would be hard to design and manage properly. Mentors and friends can help recognize both progress and potential in lieu of such a program.

Balance is very important and I'm glad you mentioned it. (It's an important symbol of the Pentagram to me, resting on a single point.) Not an easy task, but something I try to keep in mind.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 02:31:22 pm by Onyx »

Setamontet

Re: Downsides of a solitary path
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 03:11:21 pm »
The solitary path is not for me, and is why I'm thankful for occult schools like the Order of the Serpent, the Temple of Set, both of which I am and have been a member/student.  I think its important to be around those of our own kind, mentors, colleagues, to teach and learn from one another, compare notes, measure and recognize each others progress and potentials - even though we are all on our own unique paths. 

Being part of a group of like minded individuals can help give you inspiration in the Great Work, provide a sense of community and culture, and can also serve as a check.  A way of making sure we are maintaining Balance both spiritually and psychologically as practitioners of the Black Arts, and that none of us are going off the deep end of delusional thought, which can and has happened to even some of the best Black Magicians.

Xeper and Remanifest.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 02:21:42 pm by Setamontet »

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Kapalika

Re: Downsides of a solitary path
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 11:25:26 am »
I've noticed a lot of my problems come from my path being solitary lately. I mean there's stuff I can definitely fix on my own and still be solitary but some aspects that matter will not be the same.

-Motivation

I'd argue I should have self-motivation and dedication anyways. It's hard to remember to balance that motivation equally to mundane and spiritual life and it can be hard to come by at all on some days. It can be easier when you have someone that will check in on you periodically even if its just a social call cause as an extrovert, it sucks to not have anything new to talk about.

In the lack of a Guru, deep meditation or even a spirit guide can fulfill the role. Some say "be your own Guru", I suppose in the sense that a more ineffable part of ourselves is identified with the Divine.


Call it what you will, but the truth is inside all of us and that can be accessed via deep meditation. There is a deity inside all of us, and that can be accessed to help guide us towards are true, realized nature. This self-deity can be one's teacher.


A word of warning though, on spirit guardians; know their intention. Things can pose as something else and ultimately lead you to ruin.

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-Cross-comparison

It's hard to have that enthusiaism without someone to compare notes with. It helps you know if you're on the right track or not, course-correct. You learn alot from colleagues. The more I narrow my path down, the harder this comes to be. It's good to have someone to point out things you miss as well.

This is where the revelation of others particularly contained in your religion's scriptures comes in handy. I might not agree with everything written in my path's scriptures, but generally as I mature spiritually I find they are on point or close enough on most matters.


You can compare notes to your contemporary peers, but the problem comes with how far along your peers are. Rank, fame, infamy, or status does not matter here, nor does power. The way to assessing who's more spiritually developed will come down your beliefs I suppose, but after a while you start to develop a skill for assessing people to some degree of measurability.


So ultimately you have to use your own discretion in who it's worth comparing notes with.

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-Collaboration

Collaboraitive process has a way of jump starting creativity.

Particularly when you can play off of eachother's strengths.

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-Community

As terrible of an idea as grades turned out to be in mystery schools in practice, I can see the want for the concept now. People around the same world view to talk with because while I'm not any type of prodigy or something: most of the people who I end up talkng to me about this are dabblers and it can be hard to relate or know how to converse about it with those people.

There is some argument to be made for a degree of secrecy within eastern traditions, but I think that the east's analog to western degree systems is justified as it's preserved a lot of teachings. In the west it often hasn't turned out that way, but that was due to other factors.

The benefit of such a system is really huge if the value system totally shuns nepotism. Perhaps this is why historically more ascetic types of lineages have fared much better than our more hedonistic western examples; in advancing in degree one tends to give up more of worldly living.

I personally think there can be a balance, using the convenience and comfort of worldly living without being consumed by it. In such a case modest living is a must.

However in light of what you pointed out, there are many cons perhaps best avoided. I kind of appreciate that about the Order of the Serpent, since it side steps many of the issues of a degree system. But at the same time I think that at least in theory something could be gained of it if implemented in such a way to not incentivise climbing it as a means of attaining more authority or power.

In that sense by looking at failures and successes in them, one can determine where they might benefit an organization or order. There are western and eastern systems where degrees worked well, and also where they failed miserably or got corrupted.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2018, 11:31:22 am by Kapalika »
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NEMO 93

Re: Downsides of a solitary path
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 10:38:03 pm »
@Kapalika This is a wonderful response and one I needed to hear so I thank you.

I've actually gained access to my inner "guru" or "truth", or whatever you want to call it recently. I prefer the term HGA or Daemon just because . It definitely pointed me in the right direction and helped a lot, it's just that I haven't had the dedication to keep putting work into it or I suck at time-management. I've had a pretty good experience with spirit animals being trustworthy this far as well although I've heard some stories of people not in-tune having bad experiences.

Another one of my problem is I don't really have a religion per se. I suppose chaos magick but the scripture basically boils down to "anything, just fucking do it. your own way." when it comes to philosophy. I'm an existentialist too so I really have trouble agreeing to the morals represented in the older mythology which I resonate with as much as I like the stories. The ethics why I do resonate are found in the Norse myths which....are sadly scarce. But I've been getting signs to put more work into that paradigm anyways so I probably should seek it out a little harder.

I really love Order of the Serpent as well because it provides community and it's great, and I love the philosophy. But the invidual nature of LHP reminds me of there's a joke that trying to organize stuff in the Temple of Set is a bit like herding cats. I respect all of you and can gather great wisdom from you even when we have different beliefs but it sometimes gets slow around here due to us have various business in our own lives or sometimes I'd like to talk to someone working on the same stuff as me currently like Runes which is a lot more narrow and can be hard to find, not just in the O:.S:. but on the internet in general.