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Kapalika

Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« on: November 20, 2017, 04:06:44 am »
Cross post from a debate topic I made on another forum: https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/hate-isnt-the-way-of-the-satanist.203246/

Hate is a very strong emotion. Much is made, particularly among certain types, of the fact that humans are both hating and loving creatures. I honestly think such attitudes are rooted in tribalism. Love your friends, hate your enemies. Such has been the battle cry for eons of the warlike religions, political ideologies and governmental entities who sought to expand through violence and forced conversion.

It seems for some they feel as if they should love a few and default to a hateful attitude towards many others. I don't agree. Rather, I'd propose, hate should be rationed just as those like LaVey told the Satanist to ration love in The Satanic Bible (though I'll take this further later on). Hate is a destructive emotion by nature and its liable to backfire if one isn't careful with it.

"But but! Those intolerant, or evil or brainwashing x religion/group!" Well, my dear diabolical friend... simply moving the sword from the right hand to the left hand is still using a sword (see what I did there? :p). I've actually heard Matthew 10:34 and Luke 14:26 used to justify hate mongering, for example. Sadly the trap of hate is one easy to fall into. Those verses, Yeshua bringing a sword to divide, and saying one must hate others to love him, I chose for a reason and not randomly. It's again that tribalism; that old us vs them that's the trap I'm warning against.

I don't consider myself a LaVeyan in any sense, and I will break down a relevant statement in his Satanic Bible and what I disagree with, since this is what I am comparing my position to:

“Love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional aliments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.”  - Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible (1969)

Okay, so love and hate are intense. So far so good.  But the moment he starts talking about indiscriminate love he never contrasts about indiscriminate hate. Yes, I understand that most hateful Satanic types do discriminate, although too often I've seen it be over petty things. There's seems to be something in the id so to speak, that thrives on the release of hating people for stupid crap. This isn't to say this is LaVeyans specifically who do that, funny enough I've seen it with theists quite a lot, but in a lot of ways they take things like this to an extreme and so the passage merited quoting. I picked LaVeyan / Church of Satan out of any other sect as it's one of the few notable groups espousing a view on the pro-hate end of the spectrum. (also funny enough there are more LaVeyan influenced theistic Satanists than first impressions might give otherwise if my online interactions are any indication).

I don't know how we determine who "deserves" hate. What LaVey failed to account for is that since Satanism exalts the subjectivity of the individual there won't be any measure beyond whim for who "deserves" what. Such inclinations in my opinion quickly lend to tyranny of those higher up in the social "stratification" as LaVey's successor Gilmore would put it.

I don't think 99.9% of people can experience "indiscriminate love" but surely an attempt respect for all life is at least on some level rational. Satan is the god of man, of our nature. And there is a part of our nature that does seek to better itself. I'm reminded of an Episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where the Android named Data (who wishes to be a human) says it's not important that he will never become fully human, just important that he is always trying to improve himself. That to me, that constant self improvement, and personal evolution is what is at the heart of humanity and Satanism. So why can't we aim to try to love more? Perhaps even universally so? It might not be possible, but it's surely worth the effort.

LaVey almost made a valid point, but missed the mark when he said "repressed hate" instead of "repressed emotion". Hate itself, from what I've come to understand of it, festers and grows off of itself. And that's the danger. Most people (I hope) don't take out their frustrations on other people or their loved ones. I honestly think LaVey might of been speaking from experience when he spoke on that.

If someone has someone they really dislike causing them trouble they might diffuse the tension with something healthy like a hobby or working out, whatever. But taking it out on a living being? Even loved ones if they can't against the aggressor? Something more is going on there that most well adjusted people don't have (or at least I hope so anyways).

There are times though, I think "hate" of a sort is warranted, but very rarely so. It's too subjective and honestly if something is that malicious one can address the person or situation indifferently and rationally. I also would say that hate is pretty much something people should avoid as much as possible since it uses up energy and effort. Quite literally it's not worth the effort. If they are truly that bad, it's not worth hating and getting worked up over. They don't deserve your hate. That's why I say, who really deserves hate?

A Satanist should seek to improve themselves, not get carried away with those who are against them. That energy is better spent on becoming a better person, a better Satanist, a better human. Maybe Data had a point. Maybe it isn't the fact that one will ever stop hating entirely but just the fact that they won't be consumed or distracted by it as much and can better spend that effort on themselves is all that matters.

And a topic for another time, but nor does that mean one should be self righteous or arrogant in their dismissal of those they now "don't hate" :) Truly not caring is even less than that; it's not having much of an emotional reaction at all.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 05:22:22 am by Kapalika »
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Kapalika

Re: Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2017, 11:01:21 pm »
I admit I was being a bit of a devil's advocate, trying to balance it out with going a little too far in the other direction. If anyone has any thoughts I'm looking forward to it.
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pi_ramesses

Re: Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 11:21:01 pm »
Reading through some of the other posts in RF from Liu and others.
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Kapalika

Re: Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2017, 11:32:41 pm »
Alright, well after I get all the responses I would I'll brew on it for an unspecified amount of time and probably make a part 2 with a revised view on it lol. In a couple of ways I kind of go back and forth on the topic to be honest. Been trying to reconcile that.
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pi_ramesses

Re: Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 12:55:57 am »
The part on indiscriminate hate is consistent. And not everyone being deserving of your hate.

But both of those I think are discriminate. I'll mull more over this and might add sporadically.
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Setamorphosis

Re: Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 08:36:59 am »
Neither indiscriminate love nor indiscriminate hate make a lot of sense to me. If you love or hate everyone, then it devalues your love for, say your significant other, or your hate towards your enemy.

Now, I do condone mass resentment towards a larger group. I, for one, have resentment towards humanity by default, but I do love and respect those who prove themselves to be worthy of it, in my eyes. This is my judgement alone, and in no way am I claiming that my views are correct and that I consider myself superior to others.

No, the concept of superiority and inferiority are relative, which is why I add them to equations only when necessary.

But, I do resent humans for being so opportunistic, among many other reasons. Humans are often romanticized as these beings who deep down all want to be loved, and if given that love and respect, they'll return it. Perhaps my judgement of humans wouldn't be so ill if I hadn't been force-fed this garbage when I was younger. If I had been told that humans are just over-evolved apes who do have the potential of spiritual greatness, but are in practice opportunistic animals who would prey upon their own if given the right reward with small enough risk.

I would not say I hate humans, though. Hate implies a festering feeling whereas what I "feel" towards humans is more of a constant negative outlook on them. That's all.

Your post, @Kapalika , may have just inspired me to look into Stoicism and cultivate indifference.
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