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NEMO 93

Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« on: November 15, 2017, 08:21:21 pm »
We've had recent discussions on egregors and while each member as a definition, I am using the one I am familiar with. A collective thoughtform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore

It's sort of like a group servitor although as it has a greater amount of energy put into it, it is more powerful and can resemble a God-form.

I personally feel the most successful examples of Egregores are from the DKMU's mythology. They esentially built their own mythology using chaos magick techniques.

I'd like to extend an open invitation to everyone involved with the O:.S:. forum to create an egregore. I think there are multiple benefits to this. 1.) To study the metaphysics involved in Egregores and therefore potentially Godforms 2.) To create an egregor unique to the current of the O:.S:. that will help members who choose to work with it and 3.) to charge the O:.S:. current as I believe every successful magickal order or group as it's own current.

What I love about the O:.S:. is that there is no uniform belief and every member is free to develop their own definition of the LHP and their own beliefs around it. So I also would like to encourage members of the forum to devise their own Magickal Collaborations and expiriments to add to a potential O:.S:. current in their own unique way.

This topic will do fine for planning although I suggest the more sensitive information such as initial charging be handled ina group PM as this is a public forum and anyone could interfere with the charging process. However, I feel everything that isn't sensitive should be posted here publicly to keep everyone updated with the progress. I look forward to working with anyone interested!

The first step is to come up with the intention of the egregor. I personaly feel like some kind mentor-esque Egregor would be quite useful. Something that can suggest and uncover information relative to one's path, whatever it may be. If it's a general all purpose mentor, it could also have the purpose of encouraging practice when one becomes too lazy. However, I am open to everyone's suggestion for what they think would be the best intention for an Egregor. Any thoughts or suggestions?
« Last Edit: November 18, 2017, 07:04:34 pm by pi_ramesses »
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Onyx

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 05:38:55 am »
I spent some time overnight on a possibly related idea, which was to define nine "demons" and make esoteric names and symbols for each. An Egregor with nine facets? Each sub-thoughtform would represent a particular aspect of the Prince of Darkness. The main symbol could be a clever combination of the nine.

Could put the symbols on cards, roll a 9-sided die, etc for a little "random magic". Or apprehend the Egregor as a single entity also. I'm in, let's discuss the details of this "all-purpose mentor".
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 05:43:02 am by Onyx »
Arise thus in your glory, behold the genius of your creation, and be prideful of being, for I am the same – I who am the Highest of Life.

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 06:25:06 am »
I just want to say that I really love your idea. It captures a lot of things I've been fascinated with.

Random magick stuff could also be effective divination methods. I'm exhausted so I'll have to reply tomorrow and I would like to sleep on your ideas as well.

That 9 aspects is a really creative idea so I'm really excited to see where this leads.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Frater Gaster

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 07:09:10 am »
I'm up for it.

@Onyx , I really love your idea. 9 demons thing - aspects of the Prince of Darkness. Yeah, i'd like to do what you said.

When I have the time, I'll contribute something.
"I know that I hung on a windy tree nine long nights, wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin, myself to myself, on that tree of which no man knows from where its roots run."

- Odin

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 03:52:11 am »
So let's see an all-purpose mentor.

Useful things: Acquire information(lets not specifiy this to just books, information in general) to move you forward, motivate to stay firm in practice so you dont go backwards, remind to not take self seriously so you can stay open for growth to move forward, clean up crew(I'm thinking if an expirimental ritual goes TOO wrong he can clean up your mess in an emergency of course he wont do it for something you can get yourself out of) to prevent stagnation during or after a harsh failure. Does anyone else have any tasks that would be good to have?

How would you like to define the 9 heads? Various personalites or various tasks or both?
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Setamontet

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2017, 03:20:19 pm »
I spent some time overnight on a possibly related idea, which was to define nine "demons" and make esoteric names and symbols for each. An Egregor with nine facets? Each sub-thoughtform would represent a particular aspect of the Prince of Darkness. The main symbol could be a clever combination of the nine.

Could put the symbols on cards, roll a 9-sided die, etc for a little "random magic". Or apprehend the Egregor as a single entity also. I'm in, let's discuss the details of this "all-purpose mentor".

The Nine Daimonic Elements of Archonis or the Nine Headed Hydra

Just a preliminary idea for an egregor;

First Element: Khepera = Winged Scarab, the Self-Created One.

Second Element: Ma'at = Truth of Being, Balance and Justice.

Third Element: Anubis = The Black Jackal, Guardian of the undefiled knowledge.

Fourth Element: Nyarlathotep = Messenger of the gods and beholder/keeper of the Shining Trapezohedron, or philosopher's stone, Infernal Graal.

Fifth Element: Shub-Niggurath = Black Ram of the Sun and Deathless One, Father and Master of the World of Horrors.

Sixth Element: Leviathan = Eternal Serpent of the Abyss, Infinite Darkness within and without, Living Principle of Immortal Being.

Seventh Element: Set-Hen = First Principle of Isolate Intelligence throughout this Universe, the Great Separator and Initiator, the Catalyst of Infinite Will.

Eighth Element: Sekhmet = Lioness headed goddess, She who re-shapes in accordance with all her secrets.  Destroyer by fire and Lady of the Waters of Life.

Ninth Element: Nepthys = Creator of Time; past, present, and through which memory of the future may possibly exist.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2017, 03:43:20 pm by Setamontet »

"Arise is your glory, behold the genius of your creation, and be prideful of being,
For I am the same - I who am the Highest of Life." - The Word of Set

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2017, 03:53:44 am »
Guys, I'm so sorry I haven't been active in this thread. My magick became neglected and survival/progress only while in the last half of the semester.

Now I have literally nothing to do for a month, so I say let's build this thing up.


I love the ideas each one of you have came up with. I think the trick is sense chaos is the literal source, we'll have to find a way to control it from manifesting new heads- like a Hydra would.

I love the idea of a hydra egregor. I'm already thinking of possible ways to work with it.  :mrgreen:


So let's take Setamontent's idea and scrape the imagery so we can make our own heads of the hydra. I'm gonna put me intepretations in parantheses to see if everyone agrees.

First Head: Winged Scarab, the Self-Created One. (Rebirth. Xeper.)

Second Element = Truth of Being, Balance and Justice. (The concept Nonduality.)

Third Element:= The Black Jackal, Guardian of the undefiled knowledge. (Guarder of the gateways, so possibly move around third and fourth head?)

Fourth Element: Messenger of the gods and beholder/keeper of the Shining Trapezohedron, or philosopher's stone, Infernal Graal. (The gateway between worlds)

Fifth Element: Black Ram of the Sun and Deathless One, Father and Master of the World of Horrors. (Jungian shadow work. The shadow of the collective unconcious, shadow self? Sorta qlipothic.)

Sixth Element:=Eternal Serpent of the Abyss, Infinite Darkness within and without, Living Principle of Immortal Being. (I gotta admit, I see Leviathan and Set-hen as similar things, need to hash this out.)

Seventh Element: = First Principle of Isolate Intelligence throughout this Universe, the Great Separator and Initiator, the Catalyst of Infinite Will.

Eighth Element: = Lioness headed goddess, She who re-shapes in accordance with all her secrets.  Destroyer by fire and Lady of the Waters of Life. (Purifying flame)

Ninth Element: = Creator of Time; past, present, and through which memory of the future may possibly exist. (I really like this, says enough for its self.)

I hope everyone is still in. I'm gonna send out a group message where we can talk about charging and stuff privately, so it won't be hijacked but I'd like to keep discussions about intent of the various heads transparent and on the public forum so anyone can join in.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2017, 03:56:56 am »
Also, this collaboration is still open to all forum and order members.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Onyx

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2017, 08:12:04 pm »
These "names" and what they might represent are (very) loosely based on the aforementioned ideas, just a thought experiment:

1. Activator (xeper/remanifest, emergence, development)
2. Evaluator (perception, balance, judgement)
3. Curator (guardianship of the black arts)
4. Alchemist (magical links between realms)
5. Pathfinder (exploring dark corridors of the psyche)
6. Sustainer (timelessness, eternity of being, purification)
7. Separator (individuality, refusal to be mundane)
8. Warrior (fearlessness, strength, mental domination)
9. Timekeeper (knowledge of past, present, and future self)

« Last Edit: December 24, 2017, 08:14:34 pm by Onyx »
Arise thus in your glory, behold the genius of your creation, and be prideful of being, for I am the same – I who am the Highest of Life.

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2017, 09:50:53 pm »
@Onyx  I love this, makes perfect sense and sounds completely useful.  If everyone agrees, I think the next part is to come up with personality, associations, and appearances. A beuatiful thing about Egregors is the wide array of paradigms creating them can create something more complex and wide-functioning than if solo magician was to make a servitor.

Esentially, a list of collective associations would make the ingredients we'd put into it when charging in therefore each head embodies.

1. I do like the scarab association already but idk how to develop it.

2. I got nothing

3. I see kind of a tall men wearing a black suit thinking about this for some reason.

4. Mecury energy. I always associate Alchmeists with mad scientists, especially the ones like frankenstein.

5. Something shadowy.

6. I definitely think of the eye of the void. I'm not sure how what would manifest in this world. A dragon? 

7. I really dont know what associations would work with antinomianism.

8. Martial energy or red magick energy.

9. Father time imagery comes to mind, an old wisened wizard with a certain aura of eternal age about him- sort of like the LOTR wizards.

"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

pi_rameses

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2017, 10:45:07 pm »
Also, this collaboration is still open to all forum and order members.

This egregore ritual is developing quite nicely. I'd like to get involved too.
Pro omnis dominos viae sinistra, sic itur ad astra
Nylfmedli14

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2017, 05:09:35 am »
@pi_ramesses  Thank you! This is definitely always open. Feel free to contribute here and I have added you to the PMs about charging and other stuff that needs to be private so it doesnt get hijacked.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2017, 10:17:32 pm »
I'm going to begin working on blue prints for charging methods urgently as well as the basic programming. I'm going to send the details out in the group DM however, I need to test some methods before applying them to a bigger project.

Hail O:.S:. and hail this collaboration.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Frater Gaster

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2017, 10:28:17 pm »
I agree with @Onyx , although maybe one of the elements should be overall knowledge or wisdom.

"I know that I hung on a windy tree nine long nights, wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin, myself to myself, on that tree of which no man knows from where its roots run."

- Odin

NEMO 93

Re: Egregor- Open Invitation to a Magickal Collaboration
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 10:44:48 pm »
Agreed with @Onyx  and @Setamorphosis.

I like those purposes of the heads and I do agree that wisdom should be an over-all quality. I'm done working on the egregor its self for today, I have some pressing matters to attend to but if you want to add them in like I've been doing feel free to do so in the group DM, @Setamorphosis. I would greatly appreciate it.

Ah, I still have to respond to you on the name, btw. Give me one second.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley