Author Topic: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?  (Read 1919 times)

Rougue

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2017, 05:20:42 am »
Mmm, yes.
Each perception fractals a different shade of colour. Not one more beautiful than the next.
When we are in the ou, there is no need for perception, even if you stumble and think 'I must remember this so I can recall' that is shot away and you are pierced back into the eternal Now.

Personally, I try to walk a tightrope of having one hand in each pot, I am both alas neither.

The Rose of the Palace of Fire

pi_rameses

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2017, 05:24:35 am »
Very insightful and resonant. I applaud you as the First Dame to share your thoughts on this.  :thumbsup:
Pro omnis dominos viae sinistra, sic itur ad astra

Kapalika

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2017, 09:09:05 am »
It's gotten me laid at least once that I'm aware of, and has never been an issue for any of my past partners except for one, but of our issues religion was the least of it; they were a witch anyways.

It might help I hang out with spiritually open minded people to begin with. I don't associate with people who won't accept me unless I have to.
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My religion is Satanism & Trika via Vāmācāra

"God and the individual are one. To realize this is the essence of Shaivism." - Swami Lakshmanjoo

pi_rameses

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2017, 02:49:51 am »
Nice @Kapalika . I think I just read something from an old acquaintance that I wish I could unread. This time on Twitter but I reserved myself on that accursed platform and will share it here instead. I refer to the acquaintance as Man X. So Man X tweets:

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Most women are single because a good man ain't their type.

I can already preempt the backslash from my reply so I refrained. If he would take the criticism to heart, then certainly it would be worth it. Not for this one. Pearls before swine. Tried and true. But it still goes without saying.

Man X, how is it that a good man such as yourself need concern yourself with most women? It reflects poorly on you. I can't afford to criticize most women because I feel that I must have sufficient gravitas to qualify for the esteem of extraordinary women. But I also suspect that most women are single on account of men like you that evaluate themselves as good by default.

So no wonder a good man ain't their type. You seemed to have assumed that role much to their chagrin. So there. I said it. Leave it to the particular woman you have trouble with to answer that question. Man X need only ask for the truth without shirking.

Any thoughts?
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Rougue

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 03:44:05 am »
Even though I kinda ranted I didn't answer the question.

The problem I have had, (I was obviously not partnered properly), is being called Selfish (because I see you have to put yourself first) calling me selfish is WAY of mark, the two are unrelated. Some people just pick things to pick a fight. But youknow I've been single for a year so I can't give any relationship advice LOL apart from me being me's lover.

and @pi_ramesses see attached photo this reminds me of, hahahaha.


The Rose of the Palace of Fire

pi_rameses

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 12:59:05 pm »
Lol @Rougue it's a Morty. That pretty much says it all.

You win if you're a Rick. 8)

Also, I've been single for a year. And I don't dread it for similar reasons that you have said. I think it has afforded me time to climb the proverbial dominance hierarchy. This involved reconstructing my philosophy, career and finances mainly. Other than the relationship part, I'm pretty happy with the outcome so far. But it's not as though I didn't know that I would have to walk a solitary path. I'm part of this community now which is an excellent start to disrupting said isolation.

I have no idea where my next relationship will spark. This kinda excited me. :)
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NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 04:03:18 am »
I've been single for a few months under a year now as well @pi_ramesses. I had a similer restructuring period, I think I'm still going through it somewhat but I think I have a firm basis now. Well, I had a firm basis in LHP when it came to occultism philsophy but to me, there's a whole nother layer of philosophy that's built in to be addressed. Had to restructure my practical life which I'm just now fully committing to and I think with that everything else that needs restructuring will fall into place. It's definitely something that's needed. There is a woman that I really like but I personally don't think it's time to go into anything new even if she likes me in as I'm just now starting to fully enjoy the freedom and responsibility that comes with being single and having time to work on yourself. I mean, I think we all desire not to be alone in the sense of a relationship but I think it's important to prioritize things.



pi_rameses

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 10:20:34 am »
Precisely. The balance between a hasty relationship and a drawn out, torturous one seems narrow. It requires more work than most are willing to admit.
Pro omnis dominos viae sinistra, sic itur ad astra

NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 03:01:58 pm »
I completely agree, Pi. However, that fine line can make it very easy to ignore obvious red flags that fall into the latter category.

Deidre

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2017, 08:21:39 pm »
I'd say that if someone leaves you or is put off by who you really are, it's for the best. There are plenty of women out there who will understand you, and even if they don't embrace LHP, they won't shun you over it. They will accept you for who you are. That's the case with any religion, or views in my opinion. If someone wants you to change your ways for them or the relationship, then they're likely not the right one.
"Don't look for riches, look for rich experiences." - Lucian Black

Cabshear

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2017, 03:06:54 am »
Greetings,

This tends to be an interesting issue for me since I tend to be very red pill when it comes to relationships. I don't really want this to create any unnecessary conflicts with any of that so I won't go any further there.

I ended up having to resign from the ToS because my, now ex-wife, threatened to leave me if I didn't. Of course due to her own hypergamy ended up leaving anyway after an extensive emotional affair. Regardless, the best way to go about it, IMO, is to not try to make the concept more complex than it needs to be. If your partner truly loves and cares about you they will take the time to get to know your personal beliefs.

Disclaimer: this is merely my opinion of what I have learned and experienced

1. If someone is committed to misunderstanding your ideas or concepts (Satanism, Setian Philosophy, Luciferianism) it matters not how hard you try to work to eliminate their confusion. It didn't matter how simple or how elaborate I attempted to explain Satanism to my wife, she was committed to not liking it or not changing her ideas on it. So essentially all I was doing was wasting my time.

2. Keep it simple if you do try to explain it. Nothing makes things worse than using tons of Intellectualism. Keeping the sin of Solipsism in mind, don't project your sensibilities on to the person you're attempting to explain it to. Not only will Satanism or Setian Philosophy intimidate them, but a lot of Intellectualism will make it worse. In a growing anti-intellectual culture highly intelligent people are not always looked on with respect. As a matter of fact many within our antinomian path are seen rather with suspicion.

3. Social Consciouness is never a fan of genuine Individualist Consciouness. Any religion or philosophy that tends to shy away from collectivist values or herd think becomes an enemy very fast. Rebellion in our current culture has a limit within collectivist concepts. You can rebel to a certain extent, past that point and you earn a new title: Eccentric. A healthy knowledge of social contracts can help.

4. The first thing to debunk would be the urban legends and common misunderstandings.

Mindmaster

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2017, 06:32:09 am »
So I'm the guy who always has his altar up, pentagram and all. I wear the jewelry too a lot, and I talk about metaphysics often, guest speak on the LHP to college courses, etc. I just recently left a very long relationship (all for the better) but of the three things I'm worried about (likes porn, likes light bondage, likes Satan) this is by far the biggest one. I'm afraid my possible women drop tremendously by way of being LHP and was wondering if that's been the case for you, no matter your sex or sexual preference.

Doubt most of them have any idea what it is anyway, if my experience is anything. :D

Buddhists set up altars in their homes, so I doubt that alone would be weird. Secondly, I think if there is no pressure for that person to participate in your interests it's a non-issue. Most of what the LHP is a personal path anyway... I mean, can I truly take someone with me while I meditate or have them experience a ritual from my perspective? It simply doesn't matter if they're there or not, ultimately, in that realm of working.

It is, however, trying on relationships because more LHPers are going to be constantly honing themselves- the person you were even a year ago will be vastly different in most cases. (for better or worse, and trust me... it's not always better) It's probably more important to find someone who can deal with these changes than have someone that merely shares your views for now. Remember also that:

1) If you are a gay man, you have a higher chance of finding a LHP partner. There are more LHP men.

2) Only 1 in 5  LHPers are female, this takes your available pool to 20% of an already small population. Most of them are used to being hassled with tasteless comments from social networks, and are pretty salty. :D


NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2017, 07:42:07 am »
@Mindmaster "It is, however, trying on relationships because more LHPers are going to be constantly honing themselves- the person you were even a year ago will be vastly different in most cases. (for better or worse, and trust me... it's not always better) It's probably more important to find someone who can deal with these changes than have someone that merely shares your views for now."

This...this is my problem. I completely agree with you.

 I don't know, I'm a lot more detached now then I used to be. It's because I've had to let go of a lot of people and even parts of me while moving. How can I ever offer someone that love that makes them think I'll stay forever? I've cultivated a coldness and whle I can be passionate which is the driving force of all things wonderful and terrible in a relationship that makes people feel like you care, I'm gonna prioritize other things and I know it's only going to be short term.

I think the more you progress on the path, the more risky it becomes to really open up about your beliefs to someone that is important in bonding for long-term. I have a hard enough time explaining my beliefs to friend "I'm an existentialist primarily....but yeah, those are shrines to various deities you see in my house, insert jungian psycho babble" its like no matter how much I try to tell the truth of my world view it all comes out as lies. That's not even going into whatever thing I'm pushing my boundaries with by researching in whatever current phase I'm in. For me, this goes in the "not always better" change as this usually comes with my painful growth people dont want to stick around with.

I don't know, I don't want to sound narcissistic or sociopathic because I'm quite the opposite, in most cases. I'm a generally nice guy unless someone really upsets me but I'm just at the point where I can't offer as much to relationships and a certain level of detachment is always going to be present. I can work with this, but I won't ever find a true, deep long term intimacy where I'm fully understood. It's a sacrifice that those who progress in the great work make.
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Mindmaster

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2017, 09:47:34 pm »

 I don't know, I'm a lot more detached now then I used to be. It's because I've had to let go of a lot of people and even parts of me while moving. How can I ever offer someone that love that makes them think I'll stay forever? I've cultivated a coldness and whle I can be passionate which is the driving force of all things wonderful and terrible in a relationship that makes people feel like you care, I'm gonna prioritize other things and I know it's only going to be short term.

I think the more you progress on the path, the more risky it becomes to really open up about your beliefs to someone that is important in bonding for long-term. I have a hard enough time explaining my beliefs to friend "I'm an existentialist primarily....but yeah, those are shrines to various deiies you see in my house, insert jungian psycho babble" its like no matter how much I try to tell the truth of my world view it all comes out as lies. That's not even going into whatever thing I'm pushing my boundaries with by researching in whatever current phase I'm in. For me, this goes in the "not always better" change as this usually comes with my painful growth people dont want to stick around with.

I don't know, I don't want to sound narciccistic or sociopathic because I'm quite the opposite, in most cases. I'm a generally nice guy unless someone really upsets me but I'm just at the point where I can't offer as much to relationships and a certain level of detachment is always going to be present. I can work with this, but I won't ever find a true, deep long term intimacy where I'm fully understood. It's a sacrifice that those who progress in the great work make.

Your post is "in a nutshell" why I became a theistic Satanist... I was driven away from the nihilistic and misanthropic vibe of "atheistic Satanism" and didn't really like the supposedly theistic groups either for similar reasons. I understand detaching from the mundane to some degree to gain perspective, but many seem to look at that detachment as the goal rather than the vehicle of clarity it really should be. I feel that a real Satanist goes through this stage much in the way of the old mystics, a dark night of the soul, but progresses through it to manifest themselves perfectly and unencumbered by the conditioning program of their youth... That ultimately leads to a sense of purpose in your life, and exaltation of the things that you admire and value - also a deep rooted spiritual connection to those things you hold dear.

Fact is, if you are at that stage of your progression you are sort of in a cocoon of possibility but haven't married yourself to any of them. That's fine, just realize that ultimately the path is a passionate one - to find passion and value you must have firm connections to people, ideas, and life. If you notice, I'm a pretty polarized person - it's not to be a douche it's because I know exactly what I believe, value, and love. You'll get there too, so long as you keep working the path. I still encourage the pursuit of relationships even in this situation, as they will help you establish what you value the most. The only way to learn for a budding LHPer is to get their hands dirty, and what works for me probably doesn't work for you. You're not going to know what you require of a partner in a real sense until you try a bunch of them out, so to speak. A lot of LHPers think they can over-logic these sorts of things and get trapped in a shopping cart of impossibilities - much to their detrement, since they never learn the art of comprimise.

NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2017, 03:21:48 am »
@Mindmaster  I have passions in spades as well, one of my main paradigms is Draconian which is ALL about passion. An abundance of passion. A passion for life among. However, detachment to me is about more than just deconditioning. It's about staying unblinded by bullshit faith, whether it be theistic or in another person or people. (No offense meant, I'm saying bullshit faith as it's a quote from a David Bowie song about the dark night of the soul.)

I'm on the other side of my dark night of the soul among other ordeals. I've awakened all my passion but something in Kelly's channeling of Apophis was sweeping away the pieces on the board when the game displeases you "the message of Set is who gives a fuck?" I'm actively pursuing life and having a lot of fun. Any of my anticosmic stuff is more about destryoing realities and universes that I would not please me(think multiversal theory)- one could argue you do this each time you commit any act of magick.

My views of detachment I arrived at by abandoning magickal practice and studying philosophy. I settle on Sartre's brand of Existentialism mixed with Camus' Absurdism as my "personal truth." I love the absurdity of the universe, the head is clearest, the soul happiest and most liberated when one opens themself up to the gentle indifference of the universe. Camus' Absurdism, while bleak, is quite uplifting as it stresses that even though life while never offer the meaning of the universe, among other things, the human man is conditioned to try and it's beautiful and we should enjoy the climb.

I passionately enjoy the climb and the experiences while retaining some coldness so I can swipe away what displeases me; in this way I seek to emulate the universe and I find the eye in the void incredibly accurate symbolism for this. It balances each other out, if it I had too much passion I'd probably go full heathcliff and if I had too much coldness I'd probably go full Dorian Gray.

However, I'd sound crazy if I tried to explain that to any women I was trying to date  :mrgreen: It's hard for people to emotionally wrap their brains around, let alone philosophically or logically. It's absurd, it lacks logic. And most people don't want to discuss existentialism if they have convictions because they lake their cages and are afraid of freedom.

I appreciate the kind words though! If it was earlier this year, I would have sorely needed it and appreciated it. However, it's a bit hard to explain my philosophy. It reminds me that Crowley's Book of Lies is so-called that because beyond a certain point of initation, your truth can only be expressed as lies, the best you can do is master the english language to point to it.

I can have a passionate relationship with a women, I know that, but I think I sacrificed my chance at true, deep intimacy by refusing to commit philosophical suicide. I care enough to lament but I'm cold enough to accept and focus passion elsewhere.

It's liberating, it works for, makes me feel fullfilled and happy.