Author Topic: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?  (Read 1674 times)

NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 03:25:32 am »
I just think it's a pipe dream to find someone who can understand me intimately. I'd still like to try and have fun in the mean time.

Of course, this reminds me of the quote from David Foster Wallace: "I'm so afraid of being misunderstood that I never really give anyone a chance to understand me in the first place."
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Rougue

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2017, 12:48:47 am »
Can anyone fully understand any other?
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pi_rameses

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2017, 01:19:49 am »
Can anyone fully understand any other?

Afraid not. Worth a shot. Perhaps it helps the sooner we accept this.
Pro omnis dominos viae sinistra, sic itur ad astra
Nylfmedli14

NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2017, 04:43:38 am »
Language is the biggest barier in understanding one another.

"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

pi_rameses

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2017, 11:55:39 am »
True. @Mindmaster and I were saying something to that effect on subjectivism a few days ago.
Pro omnis dominos viae sinistra, sic itur ad astra
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Cabshear

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2017, 02:38:31 pm »
Language is the biggest barier in understanding one another.




Active listening has to take place prior to active speaking. My opinions on relationships have been tempered with quite a few red pills, gathered from the women more than the Internet. The groups I studied, their experiences and objections to certain social behavior only became a proof.

This is merely my opinion:

Modern females as a mass of confusion. A strange and fitful presence  ;) 
They often want what they can’t have and dispose of a majority of the useful things they actually do have. Most men can attest to being friend zoned while their love interest continually entered abusing and destructive relationships. The media and leftist politics continues to feed the mind of a force of evil known as The Patriarchy. This is text book Saul Alinsky manipulation, not to mention manufactured conflict lifted from Communist and Leftist material. They will always need their revolution for their proletariats and bourgeois’

Leftism has always formed itself like a religion. The State is the savior and there will always be some scapegoat devil, usually Capitalism. From capitalism all manner of evil flows: racism, sexism, white privledge, ad nausea. The serfs of the collectivist dogma of socialism lap it up like the parishioners of a church and parrot it back to sinner and dissenters. Like medival Christians shouting pagan! Or devil worshipper!! We now have our modern equivalent: sexist! Racist!!! Nazi!! Muh white privilege. Shouting names at someone has never been a rational argument, but dwells where the majority of Leftist ideology has always remained, in sophistry.

The current culture is working to position the genders against each other by fabricating a spectral enemy. I find it very hard to believe that in our current state men have infinite more privledge than women. Men propose and women dispose. Most marriages end in divorce with women intitating way more than half, their reasoning being boredom....boredom. This is quite a comfortable problem. Men pay most taxes and women use most of the welfare state benefits. Feminist groups back only stats that work to their confirmation bias. Remember, this is one of Alinsky’s Rules for Radical, never go outside the expertise of your own people. However, when up against an opponent you go outside their people’s expertise to humiliate them. Again, sophistry.

This IMO, is where the problem lies. The welfare state. The state has become the new husband for the modern female. It is become much more obvious that men are seen as disposable in our culture. Men also hold a blame in white knighting for women in hopes of getting sex in return. Women have in group preference, men don't. Men playfully cut each other down, even as kids, in the presence of females to impress them. Men harass other men for not blindly buying into collectivist doctrine that’s targets certain groups. They are freely sacrificing others to polish those goodguy badges. Behold! The cannibalistic power of compulsory altruism and utilitarian values.


Remember, the people you can’t criticize are the ones with privilege. Be honest and ask if feminism can be criticized with out exacting bloody revenge. The white straight male has been accused off all kinds of ridiculous atrocities, and that whiteness has become the new original sin. Born with a sin of whiteness, you must share in some collective guilt. Are we seeing this same accusation of white females? No. We seem to have a plethora of R-selected people with the most influential voice. The opportunistic resource gobbling mass reproduction animals. Victim mentality works well when you can buy it with free stuff, usually the taxes of people who are much more rational.

The risk to benefit ratio should be considered here. What are the risks? Are they worth it? Is there more benefit than risk? What’s the quality of the risk?

As long as the welfare state keeps handing out free stuff with its right hand and manufactured conflict with its left, most dating is a shit show.  I chose to remain a bachelor because I don’t want a date to result in a rape accusation.  I was married and her infidelity was justified, she could easily “hamster brain” a way to make it right, and I had to pay for it in court. Most women I dated monkey branched from man to man, usually because of their wallets....R selected. But this hypergamy was seen as “liberation!!!!” No matter the destruction it left behind. This is hedonism, not epicurean and IMO not satanic. It’s haphazard irrational chaos.

Consider the idea that Men Going their Own Way, is drawing contention from men and women. If this doesn’t reveal a near worshipful attitude toward collectivism, then look out. A masculine group is breaking away from social values, disagreeing and forming their own path. And like Palente states in No Free Society: social consciousness is very hostile to rugged individualist consciousness.

Like radicals they are hostile to the enemies of their god(s).

These men are going their OWN way. Not seeking validation from society or women. They are seeking their own self-interested path and colectivist groups want to shut them down, and silence them. Satanic men have always gone their own way, quite iconoclastic to both religion and society. Satanic women go their own way too of course. My contention is not with women, but rather unchecked unquestioned behavior. Women are human beings, but so to can their choices shape the Self. If you can’t  dissent, for fear of being a rapist or mysognist, then the monster only grows.

So, as the collective Cthulhu rises how will we as Satanists and Setians, the heroic rebels, fare in the future?

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NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2017, 05:26:35 pm »
@Cabshear  I'm rather apolitical and see all identity politics as Old Aeon ideas. I'd say everything has an equal and opposite reaction so criticizing anything will be met with resistance if you do it to the right person. 

I try to remain as unbiased as possible. Partially due to my mysticism(balancing ideas against one another), partially due to my studies for my future career (objectivity), partially due to furthering my will(if I get visibly upset over something people now have a concrete judgement of me and an exploitable weakness)- the only times I've reacted to political discussion to hypothesize in a what-if speculation. To me, -this- is how you play the role of the serpent with the apple. Plant seeds of free thinking, never your own idea (although they may be spliced in) and present contradictory ideas. You're never voicing your opinion in this(at least not apparently) which makes it more intriguing, people might pay attention due to assuming you're leaving hints. 

The open minded ones will have a look of "huh" on their face that might manifest into something latter and shows who has a healthily open but guarded mind. The weak ones will start an argument and you now know how weak their mind is and which ideologies they are manipulated by.  :)

I'm an sociology major with a concetration in anthropology so I have very different roles of everything you said. I think white knights just kind of have a desperate vibe that comes with coming off too strong. Maybe with too many people of the desired sex to make the one they're talking to not feel unique. This is good to analyze because in today's world of social media- you might have to know how to catch someone's attention while not being desperate and it can be a hard balance. And be aware of who can see it.

 I've known men, including myself, to play the similar role of wanting what you can't have in relationships- I think it's human nature. I also think people idealize and de-idealize significant too much because of passions. It's fine to be passionate but you should enjoy the passion swings the other way as well and goes into a "negative" phase or be cold enough to not care. Not for any ethical reason, but to assure that you always enjoy the game of life.

Sociology is difficult because most of us only have anecdotal evidence. For example, you seem to find an abundance of women in powerful social roles whereas I can't find nearly enough. That doesn't create any concrete truth we can speak generally about. In addition to bias; demographic, location, age, etc. can skew this kind of evidence and people are still individuals at the end of the day. They desparately want to give this up- hence identity politics but they want to hold on to it just enough to remain in control again, hence identity politics so individualism will come into play always.

IMO, Sartre's Being and Non-Being is key to understanding the psychological and sociality behind human relationships, it seems to be stunningly accurate.

Once you take this into account, in all the situations you mentioned- who's being the manipulator and in power can change drastically. Again, I'd point to the Psychopath's Bible of understanding what people want and exploiting it by giving it to them. :) Even though it's written as the tongue-in-cheek satire of the prince convicing one to be nice, it's got really good points of social contracts. Understanding one's identity politics is akin to understanding social needs.

Sometimes letting people take advantage of you is actually a means to control, if you're smart enough about it. Not just romantically- but in day to day life and friendships and aquaitences due to social contracts.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2017, 05:32:44 pm »
I also find that most people interested in a relationship, man or women, don't want to actively listen unless you're telling them what they want to hear. People can be upset at that, and that's fine, but I choose to view it as a way to play new roles while remaining genuine and hopefully finding someone that is a bit harder to woo as a muse.

One of my issues in relationships, on my side, is finding people too predictible in relationships due to intuition. Honestly, I was too until I forced myself out of my comfort zone.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Cabshear

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2017, 07:26:54 pm »
Nice to hear a reply that didn’t start with “Listen, you white supremacist sexist d-bag”

I prefer misanthropology to anthropology lol  ;)

There is no doubt that previous generations of men have taught their sons to not have a back bone when a female is present. This continual process of pedastal-izing women have altered female behavior and men play the nice
Guy to bargain for mating. Common female behavior is quite disposable of men, hundreds of examples exists to show this out. False rape claims are a significant one. A woman won’t bat an eyelid considering sending a man to jail for a simple accusation of rape. The #metoo movement immortalized female victimhood reinforcing the manufactured conflict. Women are not a minority, make make a massive part of the voting base. Almost always voting pro collectivist/leftist. The alternative for welfare state is nanny state.


The primary statement that tipped me was: “women need
Men llike a fish needs a bicycle.” However, what humors me is when a man utters a statement similar the masses scream blasphemy.



Easy example would be the overwhelming Disney films designed for girls and not boys, the school material designed for girls and the ADD meds to drug the boys into a apathetic drone state.


NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2017, 08:07:42 pm »
Not quite sure where you're coming from with the school curriculum and disney movies. There's been an increasing ammount of male demographic Disney movies since the 90's (second Disney renaissance as it's often termed) and the focus of my classes are predominantly male focused (which is natural due all of their ties with history). I think there's a general culture of victimhood not just among one subsect, but all of them. Identity politics seem to be built off of playing the victim. South Park has a good commentary on it recently. You see it on every side of the political specture and with every ideology and it's become a reason why politics are so well, turbulent right now. Again, I'm against them because I don't want to be a slave to any god, including ideologies. I don't want to have any biases of filters of the world except when I choose to.

As a chaos magician, I know how easy it is to make yourself believe in any illusions and be absolutely convinced that apophenia and paradoleia is evidence when it's not. As a thelemite and philosopher, the only duality I make sure to distinguish from is master and slave morality. As someone studying social sciences, I strive to remain objective and scientific as possible when analyzing trends.

It's because of all this I try to distance myself from identity politics. I don't want to live my life afraid of others, blaming others, etc. when I can just learn to get shit done myself which includes understanding others to find paths of least resistance.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Rougue

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 04:31:54 am »
@Cabshear

"The current culture is working to position the genders against each other by fabricating a spectral enemy." -I agree with this.

Although, your write up seems to be dripping with distain towards females...

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What can we do? We can lift each other up.  We can show by example. We can loose prior judgement and take every situation with a fresh pair of eyes.
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NEMO 93

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2017, 05:08:39 am »
@Rogue


Agreed.
"“I ate civilization. It poisoned me; I was defiled. And then," he added in a lower tone, "I ate my own wickedness.” -Aldous Huxley

Kapalika

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2017, 10:22:54 am »
There's a lot to address, but this is by far the most important bit' IMO.

EDIT:

I should add that a lot of what goes to social programs is actually healthcare. And a lot of that is due to how the hospital system is. A hospital will charge you as much as like 20 bucks for putting on bandages that cost them like 50 cents to buy and order. So a lot of the cost of social programs is actually going to the owners of the hospital and the doctors. It's large part of why we pay the most for healthcare in the world but don't get the best care.

If we went single payer like basically every country costs would go down and care would get a lot better overall. This isn't revolutionary virtually every one of America's allies do it and our rivals too.

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As long as the welfare state keeps handing out free stuff

EDIT: I am speaking only for America here.

I'm going to tell you right now, getting "welfare" is actually hard.

Ontop of that, it's actually barely enough to pay rent and survive on. Over 70% of disability claims are denied on application and reconsideration and the wait time for an ALJ from date of application to hearing is about 2-4 years. The national average for approval at the hearing level is bit' over 50% but those are only the cases that people appeal to the ALJ for (and so are usually stronger). About the only way to outright get approved for anything without a large amount of evidence from multiple healthcare providers is if you are literally dying and have like a year or two to live.

Even being enrolled in a State-level (as opposed to federal) run vocational program for people with disabilities to gain experience and help to join the workforce isn't enough despite it being a required program by the federal government for each state to run one. Enrollment in the program will never help anyone who they don't think is employable or potentially employable with the right tools and training. They don't get "free stuff" and the programs are predicated on growing the local economy (and evidence shows they actually do this by millions of dollars per year).

I knew someone who had permanent functioning damage from traumatic brain injury and he almost didn't get any help when he really needed it and was about to become homeless. I also know a man who had brain cancer when he was younger (he became disabled as a result), is legally blind and had some severe thyroid issues as well to the point he couldn't stand or move around as much as a job would demand. It took him YEARS to get SSI and they took away from him deciding he wasn't really disabled enough.

There is no welfare state or "free stuff" being handed out. I not only have known and worked with a lot of disabled people but have had three different relatives who worked in the field. One a lawyer, another a therapist evaluating disabled people and the last one working directly for the Social Security Administration. Everything they have ever said backs up the actual data and everything i've said here and the experiences of the two examples are *not* atypical.

The only real "welfare" that women tend to get without disability is WIC and SNAPs. The former is very strict in what food can be purchased with it for the children of single mothers in poverty. Food Stamps (SNAP) commonly have work requirements or require enrollment in employment programs. Food Stamps can only be used for food, obviously.

So I don't really know where you think all this "free stuff" is. I'm pretty privy to what kind of "welfare" is out there. It ain't what conservative sources claim. It mostly isn't there and what is there has a bunch of rules and restrictions.
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Kapalika

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2017, 11:35:08 am »
The first post was, I think impersonally more important. Though this one is on a personal level much more serious to me.

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I chose to remain a bachelor because I don’t want a date to result in a rape accusation.

There isn't a bunch of women making false rape accusations. Rape accusations are so scrutinized and people are generally so skeptical about them that often women don't report it.

I was raped a year and a half ago. I don't think it's acceptable to throw around "omg I might get accused of rape!" as some kind of actual argument. Particularly when so many of us have been the victims of rape just for very few people to believe us or reporting it never amounting to anything.

So no, I don't really buy this idea that being falsely accused of rape ruins mens' lives often. There are isolated cases of it, but more often actual rape victims are scrutinized heavily and rapists tend to get away with it, often because they take measures to socially engineer the situation.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 06:49:55 am by Kapalika »
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Kapalika

Re: LHPers, have you had any relationship issues related to the path?
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2017, 11:43:34 am »
With the two most important things out of the way, I wanted to address some more minor stuff in that post.

I honestly think a lot of problems people have with relationships and their belief in x religion or LHP thing whatever is that they are not looking for the right kind of people. I said previously I had very little issues in the past with past partners both men and women. Part of that is because them being spiritually compatible is the first thing I look for in a potential relationship.


This is merely my opinion:

Modern females as a mass of confusion. A strange and fitful presence  ;)

Why do you say "most men" are you implying that huge swaths of women are in abusive or destructive relationships? What does that say about how men in general see and treat women and of a society where women think they are expected to put up with that? Isn't that kind of what is left of the patriarchy? I really think people make the kinds of statements that you have here having never seen how bad it was 40, 50 years ago and so think it was always some kind of imaginary thing.

Is the way women are treated in Pakistan or other theocratic Muslim states manufactured conflict? Is there anything communistic about trying to fight for their freedoms?

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Leftism has always formed itself like a religion.

Are we forgetting how blind to rationality and evidence nationalism can be? When people are swept up in patriotic fervor? Or what people will do or justify in war? This isn't specific to any political ideology and I contest the implication of "leftism" as some kind of unified ideology where you lump in communism and progressive values. It would be like implicating  a relationship between libertarians and nationalistic fascists.

You bring up that people are "shouting" nazi ect. Did we forget just the huge amounts of people chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us" at Charlottesville? Where is the "leftist" shooting up night clubs or running protesters over? The Charleston shooting, Charlottesville, Orlando Shooting and Colorado Springs shooting were ALL right wingers. Until we can have examples of "leftist" mass shootings then maybe we can talk about them acting like a religion. So far, only the far right is acting like abrahamic religions. (ie violence)

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I find it very hard to believe that in our current state men have infinite more privledge than women. Men propose and women dispose.

This is a strawman. No one's ever claimed men have infinite privilege.

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Most marriages end in divorce with women intitating way more than half, their reasoning being boredom....boredom.

This isn't actually true; the actual reason is loss of independence and/or controlling husbands. When non-marital relations and breakups were looked at it was evenly split. All the clinical evidence points towards the reason being that expectations of marriage as an institution has been much slower to change:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-third-wave/201705/who-initiates-divorce-more-often

(the article has citations and I found a lot of other articles about the same study)

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Men pay most taxes and women use most of the welfare state benefits. Feminist groups back only stats that work to their confirmation bias.p

Did you ever think that the pressure for women to marry and have children and be stay a at home mom might contribute to both to them paying less taxes and divorce rates? It's almost as if women make less money  :o

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It is become much more obvious that men are seen as disposable in our culture. Men also hold a blame in white knighting for women in hopes of getting sex in return. Women have in group preference, men don't. Men playfully cut each other down, even as kids, in the presence of females to impress them. Men harass other men for not blindly buying into collectivist doctrine that’s targets certain groups. They are freely sacrificing others to polish those goodguy badges. Behold! The cannibalistic power of compulsory altruism and utilitarian values.

I don't know *any* woman that likes to see men tear each other part over her. There are some outliers who do of course, but mental illness is almost always a component. I wouldn't be impressed by any man that still sees it in such a childish way.

Though, I think you do make a true point in that men are treated as disposable in a number of ways. However that doesn't diminish feminism. The issue itself might be considers part of a broader problem but it's the type of problem that feminism tends to deal with and I wouldn't be suprised if there are feminists who've addressed this.

I've heard it said that we don't have a rape culture but a culture of violence (which I'd agree with). We could see attitudes towards rape and the expendability of men in media, the workforce and the military ect all part of the same facets of attitudes towards violence and conflict.

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Be honest and ask if feminism can be criticized with out exacting bloody revenge.

Am I or any other feminists who are on this board out to exact "bloody revenge"?

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The white straight male has been accused off all kinds of ridiculous atrocities,

So what were the sexes and races of all those mass shooters I mentioned earlier?

I'm not sure what "ridiculous atrocities" you are referring to. Perhaps you could give an specific example.

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Consider the idea that Men Going their Own Way, is drawing contention from men and women.

A lot of MGTOW subreddits tend to have toxicity and misogyny creep in either from readers or the writers themselves. It's a great idea in theory but it's so associated with "Red Pill" and other assorted bullshit that as a term it's lost credibility. I'm not opposed to the essential proposed idea but it's carried with it a lot of baggage.
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"God and the individual are one. To realize this is the essence of Shaivism." - Swami Lakshmanjoo