Author Topic: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists  (Read 591 times)

Xepera maSet

A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« on: August 17, 2017, 06:17:00 pm »
I was going to start a place on the internet just to collect these, but after a week of only my own responses in just one sub, I realized it was a full time job! I have created this as a reference for the type of hateful, ignorant atheism that is prevalent in places like Reddit. So many times I see modern theists asked for evidence of terrible reasoning, ignorance, hate mongering, fideism, etc within atheism, and now everyone will have that resource. As always we need to confirm that this certainly is not representative of all atheists, and in fact this fundamentalist subcategory of atheism seems to be reserved mainly for internet forums, made popular under “new atheism” by people like Dawkins and Dennett. Of course with such a touchy subject people are bound to claim this is an attack on ALL atheism, but the simple fact of the matter is many atheists are intelligent, respectful, and honest. I actually had more images but this was way too many already, I really can’t spend more time on this, and it is more than enough to prove the point anyways.

Starting simple, it is very common for these atheists to pretend theists have never presented evidence. They don’t refute or reject it, but straight out pretend it does not exist, and don’t even seem to comprehend the difference.

http://i.imgur.com/6FbTSKc.png

This is a good example the ignorance on evidence, this individual cannot even understand why only asking for measurable evidence implies a materialist bias.

http://i.imgur.com/aHjryOC.png

One terrifyingly common things is that atheists apparently believe that math and logic do not objectively exist and are mind dependent.

http://imgur.com/a/AEPtr

http://i.imgur.com/7gGOFlV.png

This individual straight up thinks that math, as well as mental experience, are supernatural.

http://i.imgur.com/HFhDYiy.png

This one does not think math and logic are mind-dependent, just that they can only exist in the mind. (??? Hell if I know, this is a good example of an atheist utterly failing to understand their own logic).

http://i.imgur.com/9Tj0X6e.png

Finally for math, this individual was so tripped up on his own example. The atheists were arguing that refusing to choose between even and odd gumballs was the position of atheism. This is a common ploy – conflating atheism with agnosticism and pretending that agnosticism isn’t a distinct 3rd options. But he couldn’t understand that this even/odd was a 50/50 chance, or seem to understand fractions in general.

1 - http://i.imgur.com/sjgXm1P.png

2 - http://i.imgur.com/JLkl9uS.png

Often times there is simply a complete lack of logical ability, as was demonstrated when this user had his misinformed argument corrected and couldn’t see a difference.

http://i.imgur.com/iWYvLwt.png

When I explained validity to this confused user, they sent me a little video that read “I don’t think you know what that word means.” Sadly I don’t have the rest, but even after several further links not shown here the individual remained willfully ignorant/a troll.

http://i.imgur.com/eqiO2TL.png

Here we see the group-think fundamentalism of these atheists, as I am downvoted for providing definitions that user said I should look up! This is exceedingly common on /r/debatereligion, and I should have waited longer to snag the image.

http://i.imgur.com/IG9uL1K.png

Here is a user literally arguing that the watchmaker argument reads

-   Premise 1: We don’t know don’t know what caused the big bang.

-   Conclusion: Therefore God

Now I don’t go for the watchmaker argument, but this is easily one of the worst straw men I have ever seen.

http://i.imgur.com/KND7w3t.png

http://i.imgur.com/EkqJRR4.png

Fun fact, Elephants are not made of matter!

http://i.imgur.com/byYss5t.png

This is an example of the pure, illogical hate that these individuals spew and feel against religion.

http://i.imgur.com/NYi3jC8.png

Perhaps the most flattering one, this individual believes that I, personally, am necessary for life to exist! Does this make me god and disprove his atheism?

http://i.imgur.com/QNRHetm.png

And this one, I cannot think of a better way to end this collection. During the common nonsense argument of shoe atheism (aka babies and sometimes even rocks, shoes, etc are atheists), basically that atheism is the default position. I stated the default position was ignorance and an inability to even engage in rational thought. The user was nice enough to confirm that, in fact, this described (his type) of atheism.

http://i.imgur.com/OacTtH5.png


AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Deidre

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2017, 06:43:45 pm »
I think that there are dogmatic atheists, I've encountered them. But, atheism is really nothing more than a lack of belief. I was an atheist, and I just had an indifference to theism, etc. But, there are dogmatic outspoken atheists who really have no reason for their venom, except to say that they feel that their voices are not being heard, in favor of theism. (in politics, etc) But, it's sad when some outspoken atheists feel the need to insult and throw ad homs around to driving a point home to a theist. But, most of my friends are atheists, and they are live and let live types. But, there are atheists who are driven by hate for theism and unfortunately, they can be very outspoken. (and sometimes, irrational) I think many people feel that atheists can't be irrational, but they can be.
"Don't look for riches, look for rich experiences." - Lucian Black

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 06:56:16 pm »
I also have many fantastic atheist friends. It's part of why the atheism of the OP upsets me so.
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 06:58:28 pm »
Full disclosure: those atheists turn me into a douche bag. I own who I am!
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Deidre

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2017, 07:01:17 pm »
''Turn you into one?'' Do you mean this is how they see you, or...?
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EvilMeow

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2017, 08:39:29 pm »
Sigh... Forgive me, but I am going to give you a critique... There are several things I would like to call you out for:

1. Quality of this as a source of information is quite terrible... This a stack of screenshots with quotes about your talks with some random people on reddit... Because this is quotes, readers might be lacking context... Also, I do not believe that several random people is a good representative of a belief or standpoint... And I fail to figurate out any application of those quotes. This leads me to believe that you are venting your feelings here. Trying to get rid from your anoyance from holding the conversations with those specific people... Trying to hear approval of your point rather then providing with a useful information. Also, the nicknames of your conversation partners are not blurred out which makes me believe that you are just agry at them even more.

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I also have many fantastic atheist friends. It's part of why the atheism of the OP upsets me so.
2. If we would want to make a resource on the behaviour of atheists, you should be posting your conversation with those friends as well... Otherwise, you are just selecting some specific cases that are creating biased data.

3. This topic is basically about the negative behaviour of atheists... But I do not see your best behaviour either. For example, the image could be read as:
Person X: Ridiculous claimn! I do not agree with it.
Three_Scarabs: Wow, I am going to block everyone who ... You can have fun with it.

What I see here is not a good behaviour from my perspective. Its a refusal to debate on a specific topic which to me looks very alike to how atheists refuse to debate a topic of existance of God. I am not defending that argument in any way, because that argument falls flat onto itself after a little bit of thinking... But you went to reddit to debate things and the next things you do is refuse to  have any sort of debate about the specific worldview.



Why in the world would a threat about negative showcase of "behaviour of fundamentalist ahteists" be in a subforum that is tagged as "occult-related topics of interest."?
Why are you doing this?

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2017, 09:29:13 pm »
1. It's just a documentation of interaction with a certain subset of atheism. I suppose it could be in some sort of essay form, but it wasn't the most pressing matter on my plate. The only group I am discussion here is "new" or "militant" atheism, a fundamentalist form of modern atheism. I didn't blur the names for the same reason as above, mainly time. Those posts are open source posted by the users on Reddit for anyone to find.

2. I do not have friends who practice this type of atheism.

3. I copped to this, and I have a few times before. You should have seen me as a teenager! Also keep in mind you're getting a small snipet, as you pointed out.

4. You're absolutely right, we need to look into a more diverse selection of categories.
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2017, 10:12:42 pm »
''Turn you into one?'' Do you mean this is how they see you, or...?

I'm sure it's how they see me, but it's not always inaccurate. I actually consider my inability to handle fundamentalists properly one of my biggest weaknesses. This little collection is in part a ritual to just get it all out, remind myself there's nothing to prove to fundamentalists of any flavor.
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Deidre

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2017, 07:26:30 am »
''Turn you into one?'' Do you mean this is how they see you, or...?

I'm sure it's how they see me, but it's not always inaccurate. I actually consider my inability to handle fundamentalists properly one of my biggest weaknesses. This little collection is in part a ritual to just get it all out, remind myself there's nothing to prove to fundamentalists of any flavor.

I find that when people of any belief system start going on and on ...trying to ''school'' me on what they think I don't know about life, etc lol...I just tune out. This is something I think that formed in me from times in the past when I argued a lot with my dad. We have since mended fences, but I still have a tendency to tune out when people talk down to me, act like I'm stupid, or like they're ''schooling'' me. It's one thing to have a healthy exchange with another person and learn from each other. Learning is a good thing of course, but when it is a one way discussion, and the other person treats you like you're stupid, it's best to just end the dialogue. (in my opinion)

So, when you're not getting through or people start insulting you, just practice ignoring them...and moving on. lol It works for meeeee.  :mrgreen:
« Last Edit: August 18, 2017, 07:28:20 am by Deidre »
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Setamorphosis

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2017, 08:02:08 am »
As a theist, I actually find it pitiful that there aren't many philosophical atheists out there. Instead, you'll mostly have debates with irrational, dogmatic, militant, anti-theistic atheists...who are mostly from reddit.

Reddit is just infested with arrogant pseudo-intellectuals, and thus it's toxic. I've even stopped lurking on reddit. It's just painful to read all that stupidity.

Basically, this is the mentality of the average reddit atheist:

1. If I define the certain term as X, it must be true.

2. If most people think X, it must be true.

3. God = figure as depicted in Abrahamic faiths, any other interpretation is false (yes, I've actually had atheists tell me this before on reddit. I think it's rather telling tbh...)

4. To add to number 3, reddit atheists seem to believe that if they point out logical inconsistencies in the Abrahamic Omnigod concept, that they've somehow disproven the existence of God/deity altogether. They don't even take into account that there might be a God, who just isn't anything like the Abrahamic God at all.

5. They demand material evidence for an immaterial being which is so great and barely comprehensible to the human mind...at this stage, that is. It's something akin to a ancient Greek demanding observable evidence for the existence of an atom, even though they lack the technology.

6. They place too much faith in science (most scientists are against scientism, and acknowledge the limitations of science), and our technology, thinking that it can measure everything at this point of time.

7. Lack any philosophical skills, so they just recycle the same arguments they've heard from Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.

Seriously, why do you even spend time arguing on /r/DebateReligion? It just seems like masochism to me.
"Darkness is just light turned inside out."
  --Beelzebub

Setamontet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2017, 09:30:15 am »
I don't lurk on reddit all that much anymore, and from what some of you are saying, I guess I'm not missing out on much except for maybe headaches.  :|

"Arise in your glory, behold the genius of your creation, and be prideful of being,
for I am the same - I who am the Highest of Life." - The Word of Set

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2017, 09:41:11 am »
Many of the users from the examples have blessed us with more examples.

https://www.reddit.com/r/religion/comments/6udvy4/a_resource_on_the_behavior_of_fundamentalist/
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Setamorphosis

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2017, 11:02:00 am »
Pretty much, Setamontet. Reddit can really impact someone negatively.  I know from first hand experience, as I've spent time on really toxic subs. D:

And, Xepera MaSet, I don't think they've blessed us. :( I certainly don't feel blessed.

http://imgur.com/a/dyr0S

^ What in the actual hell, man?

Topic: Philosophy

"Philosophical definitions don't apply!"

????
"Darkness is just light turned inside out."
  --Beelzebub

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2017, 02:01:17 pm »
Pretty much, Setamontet. Reddit can really impact someone negatively.  I know from first hand experience, as I've spent time on really toxic subs. D:

And, Xepera MaSet, I don't think they've blessed us. :( I certainly don't feel blessed.

http://imgur.com/a/dyr0S

^ What in the actual hell, man?

Topic: Philosophy

"Philosophical definitions don't apply!"

????

Yeah, exactly.
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."

Xepera maSet

Re: A resource on the behavior of fundamentalist atheists
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2017, 02:34:03 pm »
AKA: Three Scarabs, 1137

"You look up into the night sky - whether as a child or an adult - and if you open yourself honestly, then it is a gateway to mystery, to the unknown."