Author Topic: Some education  (Read 346 times)

Sutekh

Some education
« on: October 05, 2020, 11:17:18 pm »
Just some education for you kids, if you have forgotten what the basis of LHP Philosophy truly is. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGL8q4IEgD4&t=110s
"To achieve Xem, the Setian must perceive what he can of Xem, and must Become that
perception. He must incorporate the knowledge, understanding, and lessons of that perception
into the Setian's being. Remanifesting that ennobled state, the Setian will perceive more of
Xem, and will be able to Xeper further towards Xem. It is only through pursuit of this
repeating cycle of perceive / achieve that the initiate will eventually near and reach Xem"- Ruby Tablet of Set

Etu Malku

Re: Some education
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2020, 12:32:30 am »
Are you a member of the Temple of Set?

Liu

Re: Some education
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2020, 09:36:24 am »
Yah, watched that one recently.
Interesting to learn how the nazis came to misrepresent Nietzsche like that.

I wouldn't necessarily say that that's only a matter of the LHP, though, pretty sure you can also be a RHPer and not fall for mob-thinking, depending on the definition of the paths. Not falling for peer pressure, propaganda and things like that is part of basic education in middle school after all. Not like everyone learns the lesson, though.

Sutekh

Re: Some education
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2020, 12:50:25 am »
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Are you a member of the Temple of Set?

I am assuming you are implying that quote that I added from the Ruby Tablet of Set? No, I am not involved with TOS in anyway. But as I've stated dozen's of times, "I strongly identify with Setian Philosophy." Nowadays with the internet of course, you can find plenty of occult material.
"To achieve Xem, the Setian must perceive what he can of Xem, and must Become that
perception. He must incorporate the knowledge, understanding, and lessons of that perception
into the Setian's being. Remanifesting that ennobled state, the Setian will perceive more of
Xem, and will be able to Xeper further towards Xem. It is only through pursuit of this
repeating cycle of perceive / achieve that the initiate will eventually near and reach Xem"- Ruby Tablet of Set

Sutekh

Re: Some education
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2020, 12:54:38 am »
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Interesting to learn how the nazis came to misrepresent Nietzsche like that.

I've been recently finishing up "Will to Power" which was composed by Nietzsche's sister. I was puzzled by finding subjects such as "Master Race" etc. I have heard his sister was involved with National Socialism, but never quite new that she edited out some of Nietzsche's writings.
"To achieve Xem, the Setian must perceive what he can of Xem, and must Become that
perception. He must incorporate the knowledge, understanding, and lessons of that perception
into the Setian's being. Remanifesting that ennobled state, the Setian will perceive more of
Xem, and will be able to Xeper further towards Xem. It is only through pursuit of this
repeating cycle of perceive / achieve that the initiate will eventually near and reach Xem"- Ruby Tablet of Set

Etu Malku

Re: Some education
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2020, 11:43:10 am »
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Are you a member of the Temple of Set?

I am assuming you are implying that quote that I added from the Ruby Tablet of Set? No, I am not involved with TOS in anyway. But as I've stated dozen's of times, "I strongly identify with Setian Philosophy." Nowadays with the internet of course, you can find plenty of occult material.
Have you considered affiliating with them? I'm aware a lot pdf's are available online, however, the real stuff is only privy to their members.

Sutekh

Re: Some education
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2020, 06:03:06 pm »
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Have you considered affiliating with them? I'm aware a lot pdf's are available online, however, the real stuff is only privy to their members.

I've had my own uncertainties of affiliating with them. As I understand it, I'd have to technically resign my membership with this organization. Don't get me wrong, I think it would seem cool to work with plenty of differing individuals in their approaches on the path, but as of now I am content in my own independent framework on my path. Going off subject, currently as of now I am 21 years old trying to succeed in my electrical trade career. I haven't had any experience working in the real world as of yet, which of course is coming soon for me. The pandemic has fucked up my trade schooling education, in which I have been stuck at home and at the same time getting things prepared to joining an Electrical Union. Hypothetically speaking, if lets say I joined the Temple in my current situation, it would lead to an incompatibility, since every organization expects dedication. Maybe 15 years from now I might change my mind to affiliating with the Temple.

 
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 06:08:37 pm by Sutekh »
"To achieve Xem, the Setian must perceive what he can of Xem, and must Become that
perception. He must incorporate the knowledge, understanding, and lessons of that perception
into the Setian's being. Remanifesting that ennobled state, the Setian will perceive more of
Xem, and will be able to Xeper further towards Xem. It is only through pursuit of this
repeating cycle of perceive / achieve that the initiate will eventually near and reach Xem"- Ruby Tablet of Set

Etu Malku

Re: Some education
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2020, 07:32:17 pm »
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Have you considered affiliating with them? I'm aware a lot pdf's are available online, however, the real stuff is only privy to their members.

I've had my own uncertainties of affiliating with them. As I understand it, I'd have to technically resign my membership with this organization. Don't get me wrong, I think it would seem cool to work with plenty of differing individuals in their approaches on the path, but as of now I am content in my own independent framework on my path. Going off subject, currently as of now I am 21 years old trying to succeed in my electrical trade career. I haven't had any experience working in the real world as of yet, which of course is coming soon for me. The pandemic has fucked up my trade schooling education, in which I have been stuck at home and at the same time getting things prepared to joining an Electrical Union. Hypothetically speaking, if lets say I joined the Temple in my current situation, it would lead to an incompatibility, since every organization expects dedication. Maybe 15 years from now I might change my mind to affiliating with the Temple.
There is no requirement to leave any other organization until you reach IIIĀ° Priest which would take many years. At 21 you are in a prime position to join such a magnificent organization as the TOS. If you are truly dedicated to Setian philosophy and the LHP affiliating would be your finest moment. I only wish I had when I was 21.

Onyx

Re: Some education
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 04:31:14 pm »
I agree. If circumstances allow, this is the time.


Sutekh

Re: Some education
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 08:27:42 pm »
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At 21 you are in a prime position to join such a magnificent organization as the TOS. If you are truly dedicated to Setian philosophy and the LHP affiliating would be your finest moment. I only wish I had when I was 21.

I guess where I am trying to get at, is finding a balance within my life. If lets say I get into the Electrical Union, I'd have to take two evening classes per week and work at the same time, this may include studying for electrical tests and homework. My concern is if I joined the Temple of Set and juggled both of these at the same time, I wouldn't have the time for either one, if you get what I mean. I guess I'll have to see and find out of how my current educational career is gonna play out. At the same time I also want to relocate out of my current area and get a place of my own.

I will take your advice and slowly do some thinking on it.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 08:31:17 pm by Sutekh »
"To achieve Xem, the Setian must perceive what he can of Xem, and must Become that
perception. He must incorporate the knowledge, understanding, and lessons of that perception
into the Setian's being. Remanifesting that ennobled state, the Setian will perceive more of
Xem, and will be able to Xeper further towards Xem. It is only through pursuit of this
repeating cycle of perceive / achieve that the initiate will eventually near and reach Xem"- Ruby Tablet of Set

idgo

Re: Some education
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 09:49:47 pm »
Sutkeh, if you find it enriching or enlightening to justify your decisions about where you wish to affiliate at what time, then by all means continue.

Otherwise, it is entirely justifiable to reject the entire topic several posts ago, even if solely on the grounds of it being described with the same tenor that's used in recruitment to churches and cults.

When you and an organization are ready for each other, you'll know. Others' regrets or lack thereof about joining at a particular time in their own lives can not reliably predict what yours will be. If you aren't certain it's time, it likely isn't, and a tendency to pressure the unsure into joining is unfortunately common to undesirable organizations.

And to be pedantic, if the moment of initiation to a particular group is truly the zenith of one's career in a given pursuit, then tautologically all time spent actually involved with the group would be worse or lower than the initiation in some way. I personally prefer walking paths that appear likely to lead to better things, rather than worse ones.

Etu Malku

Re: Some education
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2020, 11:39:54 am »
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to just put this out here in reference to affiliating with the Temple of Set.

The Temple of Set considers a metaphysical philosophy to be an intensely personal decision, and that the Setian state of awareness and being cannot be "advertised" or "merchandised" in any way. An individual either inclines to this state or does not. Therefore the Temple does not "recruit"; rather it simply makes the fact of its existence known and explains enough about itself when approached to interest persons with Setian potential and disinterest those without it.

So to be a Setian is essentially to awaken to who and what you really are, and to apprehend "all else" as either non-conscious (in the sense of intentionally discretionary) phenomena (the OU) or other uniquely/distinctly-conscious entities (collectively particularizations of the isolate consciousness Principle, or neter, Set).
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Dr. Michael A. Aquino


Sutekh

Re: Some education
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2020, 01:48:31 am »
Once again guys, thank you for the advice's that I have been soaking in and contemplating. To those who may have different perceptions of what Etu Malku has previously written to me, I believe in treating him with the amount of respect that he deserves. Since he has been formally involved with the Temple, and has had the experience working inside the Temple. As Etu has stated, and for those who are not familiar with the Temple of Set, the Temple of Set appears to be a very valid Left Hand Path organization, henceforth if you read plenty of books from Setian authors they do similarly as Etu stated on the Temple's purpose. If the Temple of Set chose to recruit plenty of people by handing out their flyers, then all they would get would be mundane individuals with no purpose or motivation inside the Temple. Hence, as Etu and other Setian writers have stated, it is up to the individual whether he feels obliged or with the desire to affiliate with this metaphysical/philosophical school.

Their are however, organizations that choose to put the label LHP, but instead are the undesirables who do not put LHP philosophy to practice. But instead are either dogmatic, a cult of personality, or snake oil salesman. The current Church of Satan fits in that criteria.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2020, 01:58:41 am by Sutekh »
"To achieve Xem, the Setian must perceive what he can of Xem, and must Become that
perception. He must incorporate the knowledge, understanding, and lessons of that perception
into the Setian's being. Remanifesting that ennobled state, the Setian will perceive more of
Xem, and will be able to Xeper further towards Xem. It is only through pursuit of this
repeating cycle of perceive / achieve that the initiate will eventually near and reach Xem"- Ruby Tablet of Set

Jastiv

Re: Some education
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2020, 03:47:54 pm »
I remember being young and being desperate to join some organization.  I strongly desired to basically replace church and be a part of some other spiritual organization.  Now, when I look back I see it as pure folly.  I thought that somehow learning the spiritual and being close to the gods was somehow contained in the wisdom of some group.  I thought that joining a group had the answers on how to become more spiritual and give purpose and meaning to my life.  I also thought we needed to meet up in person because I didn't think spiritual stuff could be transmitted remotely very well especially to beginners.

I'm impressed with how far I am come and that was not as a result of joining some group or order (well, okay, I did join a message forum, but then I stayed off it for a week while I put into practice what I had learned.) I know some people join various groups for years and get nowhere.

Also, I have heard some complaints about the Temple of Set, namely that they have a lot of philosophy but no real practical magick.  So if you are looking for practical things to put into practice, they really don't have much that could be of use to you.  But then again, I can't really vouch for it given that I have never been a member. 

Finally, I was to emphasize that this probably does not apply to everyone.  I work with Belial who has taken a personal interest in me, and I'm well aware that, like cats only like certain people, demons are picky about that too.  Belial does not work well with everyone.

Setibelial

Re: Some education
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2020, 06:20:03 am »
I remember being young and being desperate to join some organization.  I strongly desired to basically replace church and be a part of some other spiritual organization.  Now, when I look back I see it as pure folly.  I thought that somehow learning the spiritual and being close to the gods was somehow contained in the wisdom of some group.  I thought that joining a group had the answers on how to become more spiritual and give purpose and meaning to my life.  I also thought we needed to meet up in person because I didn't think spiritual stuff could be transmitted remotely very well especially to beginners.

I'm impressed with how far I am come and that was not as a result of joining some group or order (well, okay, I did join a message forum, but then I stayed off it for a week while I put into practice what I had learned.) I know some people join various groups for years and get nowhere.

Also, I have heard some complaints about the Temple of Set, namely that they have a lot of philosophy but no real practical magick.  So if you are looking for practical things to put into practice, they really don't have much that could be of use to you.  But then again, I can't really vouch for it given that I have never been a member. 

Finally, I was to emphasize that this probably does not apply to everyone.  I work with Belial who has taken a personal interest in me, and I'm well aware that, like cats only like certain people, demons are picky about that too.  Belial does not work well with everyone.
I was the same way when I started.  I nearly joined the O.T.O. as I was involved with a small Thelemic Group in my Area which involved my first Magical Working which was an Enochian Working involving the 49th Enochian Key that led me to encountering my Daimon(HGA in Thelemic terms). After doing more research I decided not to send in my Membership Application which I'm more than glad that I never joined.  I do hope that thing's work out for you on your Career Sutekh.  I do recommend reading the works of Michael Kelly who was the Grandmaster of the Order Of Leviathan in the Temple particularly his Book Children Of Set which outlines his 10 Year's in the Temple and several Articles that he wrote for the Temples Newsletter. Also the Ruby Tablet that's been floating around for over a Decade is from 1998.
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