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Kapalika

explaining your system to new people
« on: July 26, 2020, 11:11:40 am »
This actually came about as a joke I posted on facebook, after drawing something.

Jokes aside, I always felt it is easier for someone who can identify with a well known system adopted by many to kind of, for those with contextual knowledge, to get a ballpark of where you are coming from at least. If you are in a conversation that gets on the topic of occultism, magic or spirituality however where they don't have that context, or your system is individually crafted in some significant way, how do you go about those kinds of first conversations?

I personally try to start with basics, or cover where mine fall on the specific subject that came up (afterlife, morals, god, ect). I do make a habit (or did before covid19) to talk with people out and about or at magic shops or other places about spirituality whenever someone brought up the topic, so this might not apply to the more introverted of us, but I'm still curious in those times how you go about it.

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Any new spiritual person I meet: Oh cool what kind of Satanist are you?

Me:

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My religion is Satanism & Kashmir Shaivism via Vāmācāra

"We have none but evidence for the prosecution [against Satan] and yet we have rendered the verdict. To my mind, this is irregular. It is un-English. It is un-American; it is French." ... "We may not pay him reverence, for that would be indiscreet, but we can at least respect his talents." - Mark Twain
"God and the individual are one. To realize this is the essence of Shaivism." - Swami Lakshmanjoo

crossfire

Re: explaining your system to new people
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2020, 01:00:27 am »
I just say I'm a Buddhist.
"Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you."
~Carl Jung

Re: explaining your system to new people
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 04:11:30 am »
I don’t engage the topic. I find explanation burdensome.

I generally nod, smile and turn the conversation back to the other person. What’s interesting about this is that people seem to have strong desires to talk mostly about themselves and aren’t very curious about others. Once you take this position of reflection, people will tell you anything and everything and will tell everyone else how kind of a person you are. It’s the shadow version of How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Anyway, I share almost nothing. The discipline is Silence.


Liu

Re: explaining your system to new people
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2020, 11:45:57 am »
I also don't usually talk about it much.

In real life I say I'm agnostic (but might mention that I'm interested in esoteric stuff if I know the other person is, which is rare) and perhaps that I'm a pantheist.
On websites on spirituality I might go a bit more into detail, but usually I end up explaining merely what Satanism or the LHP is in general .

idgo

Re: explaining your system to new people
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2020, 07:07:37 pm »
Those who learn about my system do so organically, by observing the ways that I think differently from how others do. I have never yet met a situation in which attempting to teach the system which works for me in a top-down manner looked like a good idea.

If someone turns to me for advice and I choose to fulfill that request, 90% or more of the task is listening. Then I might recommend a task or a piece of reading to provide the person appropriate context for whatever piece of advice I have for them, and in the unlikely event that they come back to me after completing it, their question is transformed into something which I can answer.

If someone asks about my system simply to make conversation or because they expect it ought to amuse them, I look for the underlying need and address it with more satisfying stories instead. My beliefs are a toy, yes, but they are my toy, and not for playing with in the ways that others might wish to use them.

Even if I wanted to share every detail of my system, it would likely be impossible to do so, as a listener would require exactly my own life experiences (and no others) to derive the same meaning from my observations that I do. Since it's impossible to share the system perfectly, the question is instead about what level of imprecision is tolerable, and I happen to find that rather low precision generally meets my needs.

BlackRose

Re: explaining your system to new people
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2020, 08:20:29 pm »
This is a tough one, for the most part I keep quiet and don't have any desire to explain myself or beliefs to anyone. I've had so many people in my life shove their beliefs and propaganda down my throat and I decided to never be that kind of person.

However, I will engage in conversation with someone who is genuinely interested. Usually I'll keep quiet unless they bring up the topic of magick or something similar and I'll ease into the conversation. I've only told one person ever my actual beliefs and it was because I trusted her above anyone else (ex girlfriend) and it was so liberating to tell someone else in person. Discussing these things on the internet is one thing but to to do so in person is another. She was interested in learning more about magick to improve her own life and I felt it was time to let her know the things I knew to help her out. This was a couple years ago now but in doing so, it empowered myself and my own beliefs. I definitely recommend reaching out to someone who's close to you and explaining your system but only if you trust them 100% and to be sure you're ready. When I was younger I would tell random friends about my beliefs and it usually ended up in friendships being strained or lost, but then again I learned who my real friends were. Again, this is a really tough thing to do in my experience.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul." ~Ernest Henley