Author Topic: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity  (Read 602 times)

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2019, 10:47:39 pm »
Wow! I search what does “JoS” means, it is very offensive! I don't know that the Order of the Serpent is a leftist group who calls of “fascist” anyone  who disagree from the group. Please if i showed that satanism is different from nihilism, egoism and materialism, but, true satanism is not for emos!

Setibelial

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2019, 04:56:59 am »
I'm guessing you're a Teen. JOS is indeed a front for a Neo Nazi Organization based in Oklahoma City whose leader referred to people at his rally including himself as "Decent White Christians". As a serious student and Practitioner of Occultism in general(I really do not care if I'm called an "Occultnik") it is my duty to call out the JOS and the bullshit that it spreads. I also was not aware people still use "Emos".
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Cabshear

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2019, 02:18:21 pm »
Wow! I search what does “JoS” means, it is very offensive! I don't know that the Order of the Serpent is a leftist group who calls of “fascist” anyone  who disagree from the group. Please if i showed that satanism is different from nihilism, egoism and materialism, but, true satanism is not for emos!

Being butthurt probably isn’t the best way to go. A lot of intelligent people here are calling this material out because, it’s not intellectually honest and is being twisted, by the JoS, to justify their internal agenda. Scientology does the same stuff to sucker people into their beliefs. JoS isn’t gonna just come
out and admit their alliegence to the Furher. They know they will get shutdown. So they hide it in bad logic, hoping no one will catch it. (Side note: doesn’t take much digging to find links, from their main page,  to find tons of PDFs on nazism and national socialism.)

Now, if you want to be a neo-nazi that’s upto you. I don’t argue politics and I don’t dictate what politics I think others should have. I’ll just wish you the best of luck.

However, you seem like a smart person and it’s best to realize that when someone challenges the faulty logic of a viewpoint, it’s not a personal attack. No one said anything about your character as a human being. The JoS is a cult that fronts Satanic imagery to push national socialism. The Satanic Temple does the same thing to push collectivist socialism and communism.

I’m not a leftist either. Furthest thing from it. I have never seen the OSS label anyone a facist that didn’t agree with their viewpoint. If they did I would heavily disagree. However, it still stands that I have never seen that happen. Probably because it hasn’t.
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Fenrys F
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Mindmaster

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2019, 02:01:12 pm »
Wow! I search what does “JoS” means, it is very offensive! I don't know that the Order of the Serpent is a leftist group who calls of “fascist” anyone  who disagree from the group. Please if i showed that satanism is different from nihilism, egoism and materialism, but, true satanism is not for emos!

Admittedly, the nonsense is that there is "true Satanism" though certainly I've flirted with the idea in many of my own writings. If anything, I've tried to distill those corn drippings into ethanol...

Anyhow, I'm not aware of the OSS being political at all and thus the argument is ridiculous. I've known a lot of the people here personally and you got everything from progressives to conservatives politically. Somehow they manage not to chew each others heads off, and I wish the rest of the Internet worked similarly. :D

OSS is eclectic in the way that it's more like a traditional magickal order where people of many different fundamental beliefs congregate. No one here is telling you how to think or how to practice. That being said most of the people here know the skinny on JoS just being a front group for some Neo-Nazi crazies and associated with some of the dumbest and most retarded people we've ever conversed with online.

The "Satanic Plebs" embrace all these things you've mentioned. These are the type that read a copy of the Satanic Bible and think the work is done -- but, that's not what's going on here. Not at all.

Mindmaster

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2019, 02:19:42 pm »
As for the horns on the symbol of Mercury, they are usually associated with the bull as well as any version of the Horned God. This grounds the horns on Mercury to the Earth, fertility, and the spirit Belial of the direction North. Shaitan refers to the rebellious, malevolent djinn tribe associated with demonic forces along with the Ghul and Ifrit tribes. Enki was never referred to as Shaitan. Moloch is Canaanite, not Hebrew. The Yezidi Kitab Al Jilwah directly identifies Melek Taus with Azazel, not Shaitan.


I agree with many of your points and it's also worth noting that many gods and lesser beings were depicted with horns just a sign that they possessed divine or magical knowledge. I still find the Al Jilwah an interesting read, but it's not the basis of my beliefs. However, being the religious sort I'd simply say if you want to know who or what Satan is just ask him. Why bother with all the silliness of trying to define him through the lenses of history when it's really that simple? In the end, that line of thinking is something we've all seen before -- an attempt to establish a dogma. Dogma is something that Satanists should inherently reject, IMHO. :D

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Liu

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2019, 07:24:57 pm »
The JoS is a cult that fronts Satanic imagery to push national socialism. The Satanic Temple does the same thing to push collectivist socialism and communism.
I wouldn't say that you can't compare TST and JoS, but when I try to compare them I find a lot of differences.

TST is much more open about their goals.
I haven't encountered them spreading any disinformation.

And their goals also don't feel like a political agenda to me - but that might be because I happen to agree with nigh all their goals.
They seem to push libertarian values, at least regarding social issues, if any. Wouldn't associate them with communism, but I'm not an American, so my political notions may differ.

Cabshear

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2019, 09:11:10 pm »
No offense intended, but the TST is a leftist "yes man" group. They push extremely progressivist political ideologies. Are they the exact same as the JoS? No, I never tried to say they were the same thing. The JoS is worse, much worse. However, I do see similarities in trying to use Satanic imagery to push political views.

TST Co-founder Malcolm Jarry (not his real name) has stated that TST was originally conceived as a backlash to US President Bush-era “religious protections." https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/us/a-mischievious-thorn-in-the-side-of-conservative-christianity.html

Original TST “High Priest” Brian Werner states in his 2014 resignation video that TST is a political organization that has nothing to do with Satanism. Werner claims the actual people behind TST have no interest in or connection with Satanism, a claim echoed by Bugbee. https://youtu.be/ZIN4aZ8IMz0


Werner, pretty smart guy, mentions something very interesting! When he resigned from the Temple, instead of problem solving they hired a team of lawyers to try and pin him to the wall. Scientology does this very thing, and they are widely known as a Cult. He's not the only guy who has left due to political issues, being harassed, and verbally abused by TST members for not towing the common political line. This ex-member was harassed over social media for his support of President Donald Trump. 

https://dsblackmetal.tumblr.com/post/180390282677/why-i-left-the-satanic-temple?fbclid=IwAR3vr0B1k7YRF0RZxTOBdJzTli936SVG2Ofvb0QLlZFRByCuwSilSNALZdI

Most Libertarians I know don't go around labeling everyone they don't agree with as a "nazi". This shows a total ineptitude of what the actual Nazi's were and what they did to millions of Jews. This is also why the Left tends to behave like a Cult. As long as you go along to get along you're fine. The minute you step out of line and disagree, people descend on you like a pack of wolves. Label you Nazi, Deplorable, Facist, White Nationalist.

TST spokespeople are on record saying you do not have to be a Satanist to join TST, you simply need to support their political efforts. https://brokeassstuart.com/2016/11/22/103831/?repeat=w3tc
So you don't need to be a Satanist to join a Satanic organization, just support their political views. It's one thing to be a Satanist and not join a group. That I get! It's another to not be a Satanist and join a Satanic group simply for their political views. I'm not joining the Rosicrucians because they might happen to like Anarcho-Capitalism.

Protesting against a religious statue on public property, by rallying to have one of your religion's statues on public property is just a childish slap fight. They're doing the very thing that they're protesting against. They are trolling Christians, which is very "phase one" Satanism, IMO. I don't need to don the Baphomet to protest a violation of church and state. Actually, I prefer not too since that's what the Religious Right expects. Also, your message will fall on deaf ears since they associate Satan with "The Lie."

I see the public Satanic demonstrations as just large trolling demonstrations. They accomplish nothing, and they are very immature. Honestly, Ten Commandments in a court yard doesn't bother me. I have better things to worry about.

Again, I don't try to dictate what politics people should have or that they are "bad" for being TST members. I just think they aren't what people think they are.
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Warmest Regards,

Fenrys F
-Vampire Initiate and Satanist

Kapalika

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2019, 11:36:13 am »
Ya mostly looks like JoS stuff.

Also I didn't look into the link and only started skimming stuff because I have better things to do, but I'll point out I've never heard of "Sanat-Kumara" and I'm pretty much the go-to person for blending Satanism and Hinduism. I would of heard of it.

Looking it up in a Sanskrit dictionary reveals that Sanat is an epithet of Brahman (impersonal supreme reality). Kumara has a lot of references but mostly is used as a name by various characters and historical people, and meaning young man so there is a very small grain of truth in the statement.

But SanatKumara sounds oxymoronic to me, given one is impersonal and the other is... a personal name (mostly).
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"We have none but evidence for the prosecution [against Satan] and yet we have rendered the verdict. To my mind, this is irregular. It is un-English. It is un-American; it is French." ... "We may not pay him reverence, for that would be indiscreet, but we can at least respect his talents." - Mark Twain
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Liu

Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2019, 06:36:49 pm »
Thanks for the links, Cabshear. I wasn't thinking of interpersonal conflicts when I wrote they wouldn't spread misinformation or represent libertarian values.
I was thinking of their actual activist actions, not their decisions on whom to put in charge or what those people's personal agendas might be.

Admittedly, I haven't been following TST very closely for quite a while. I mainly keep up on them via listening to the podcast of Satanic Bay Area, whose organizers happen to also be TST members. That group seems, while mainly atheists, much more focused on the religious aspects, organizing group rituals for mental well-being or get-togethers for discussing their spirituality. They also do some TST-style political stuff, but much more toned down. Therefore my mental image of TST may be colored through that lense.

They push extremely progressivist political ideologies.
Which ones for example? I'm not familiar with the term progressivist. The stuff they fight for seems to me like just common sense to have, nothing unusually progressive, but I may have overlooked something.

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https://dsblackmetal.tumblr.com/post/180390282677/why-i-left-the-satanic-temple?fbclid=IwAR3vr0B1k7YRF0RZxTOBdJzTli936SVG2Ofvb0QLlZFRByCuwSilSNALZdI

Most Libertarians I know don't go around labeling everyone they don't agree with as a "nazi".

That seems unusual to me - I had the opposite impression of TST, with them even standing up for some nazi lecturer to be allowed to give a talk and withdrawing their own lecture when he wasn't.
At least that's what I remember reading a while ago.

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TST spokespeople are on record saying you do not have to be a Satanist to join TST, you simply need to support their political efforts. https://brokeassstuart.com/2016/11/22/103831/?repeat=w3tc
So you don't need to be a Satanist to join a Satanic organization, just support their political views. It's one thing to be a Satanist and not join a group. That I get! It's another to not be a Satanist and join a Satanic group simply for their political views. I'm not joining the Rosicrucians because they might happen to like Anarcho-Capitalism.
With as vague a term Satanism is, one may argue that if one joins a group of Satanists that shows that one is a Satanist in mind oneself. But yeah, I can see your point there.

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Protesting against a religious statue on public property, by rallying to have one of your religion's statues on public property is just a childish slap fight. They're doing the very thing that they're protesting against. They are trolling Christians, which is very "phase one" Satanism, IMO. I don't need to don the Baphomet to protest a violation of church and state. Actually, I prefer not too since that's what the Religious Right expects. Also, your message will fall on deaf ears since they associate Satan with "The Lie."
Can't follow you there, to me their statue seems to have a legal purpose.



Ya mostly looks like JoS stuff.

Also I didn't look into the link and only started skimming stuff because I have better things to do, but I'll point out I've never heard of "Sanat-Kumara" and I'm pretty much the go-to person for blending Satanism and Hinduism. I would of heard of it.

Looking it up in a Sanskrit dictionary reveals that Sanat is an epithet of Brahman (impersonal supreme reality). Kumara has a lot of references but mostly is used as a name by various characters and historical people, and meaning young man so there is a very small grain of truth in the statement.

But SanatKumara sounds oxymoronic to me, given one is impersonal and the other is... a personal name (mostly).
Alleged author of part of the Shiva Purana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Kumaras#Sanatkumara
Albeit I think the JoS rather has the theosophic version in mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanat_Kumara
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Re: Satanism is the Original Religion of Humanity
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2019, 04:57:43 pm »
"Many people muddle the true" <snip>
Never have these words been followed by anything even remotely resembling a coherent or convincing argument worth reading. This is no exception.