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Hapu

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Sexbots
« on: September 01, 2019, 02:35:24 pm »
I propose this as a miscellaneous thread for posting topics about sexbots, which represent the only part of Pentagonal Revisionism that interests me at all. Please feel totally free to post topics about how uninterested you are in sexbots. Just do us the courtesy of saying why. That in itself should provide some discussion.

So there's this:
https://futureofsex.net/robots/meet-the-sexbot-that-rocked-tinder/

And here's the infamous Harmony, Scottish accent and all:
https://youtu.be/LcDWigVV6tA
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Liu

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2019, 05:59:43 pm »
Not interested because I'm asexual :mrgreen:
I.e. I don't find humans sexually attractive.
And I don't find that doll even very aesthetically attractive.

I might rather have sex with it than with a human since I wouldn't need to consider any social repercussions.
But except for the fact that it can be practical to have an additional helping hand for getting off, I don't see any appeal in either.

And currently I'm on a chastity-vow anyway in order to experiment with it and to see whether I like that in long-term.

idgo

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2019, 03:48:29 am »
Where do you draw the line as to what augmentations to self-pleasure constitute "sex bots", as opposed to ordinary toys?

Liu

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2019, 06:05:02 am »
Well that one has an AI - dunno how good, but that would make me categorize it rather as a bot than as a toy.

Considering that I've encountered self-hypnosis files that are supposed to basically create a tulpa and put it into a sex toy, the border might be less clear than one might think, though...

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Re: Sexbots
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2019, 12:17:12 pm »
Well that one has an AI - dunno how good, but that would make me categorize it rather as a bot than as a toy.

I agree.

The A.I. would unequivocally exclude Harmony from yet another category, which is that of the sex DOLL.

The Japanese are blazing the path here.
https://youtu.be/TgbTrusgsqA

Considering that I've encountered self-hypnosis files that are supposed to basically create a tulpa and put it into a sex toy, the border might be less clear than one might think, though...

Now that is innovative.
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Inlustratus

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2019, 01:16:07 pm »
I mostly find them unattractive because they're usually so over-the-top that they lose the human shape and the sexual(or any) attractiveness. I don't care why or how people use them, it's not immoral, I just don't see the appeal of those kinds of dolls. It's like those hentai videos/images where women are both T H I C C and skinny at the same time and they lose all appeal.
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Onyx

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2019, 02:38:36 pm »
I'm not much into the whole idea, but it seems that some younger people might be more agreeable given the realism of modern video games and the sophisticated technology involved when it comes to androids.

Do I really want to fuck the Tomb Raider? Probably not, but as the old saying goes: "don't knock it until you've tried it". ;)

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Re: Sexbots
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2019, 10:36:47 pm »
I mostly find them unattractive because they're usually so over-the-top that they lose the human shape and the sexual(or any) attractiveness.

What you've actually just done is provide the rationale for a new product, the Real Woman Sexbot.

I don't care why or how people use them, it's not immoral, I just don't see the appeal of those kinds of dolls. It's like those hentai videos/images where women are both T H I C C and skinny at the same time and they lose all appeal.

For the record, I adore hentai. Nevertheless, I wonder if there's a market for Real Woman Hentai.
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Mindmaster

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2019, 03:38:04 am »
I mostly find them unattractive because they're usually so over-the-top that they lose the human shape and the sexual(or any) attractiveness. I don't care why or how people use them, it's not immoral, I just don't see the appeal of those kinds of dolls. It's like those hentai videos/images where women are both T H I C C and skinny at the same time and they lose all appeal.

I just sort of see this whole subject as rather pathetic -- sort of the domain of worthless oxygen thieves. On a planet of 8 billion folks, companionship isn't typically a problem if one bothered to make an effort. Moreover, I think it sort of masks the really issue of dealing with a life-crippling socialization problem that should be treated.

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Re: Sexbots
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2019, 10:18:15 am »
I just sort of see this whole subject as rather pathetic -- sort of the domain of worthless oxygen thieves. On a planet of 8 billion folks, companionship isn't typically a problem if one bothered to make an effort. Moreover, I think it sort of masks the really issue of dealing with a life-crippling socialization problem that should be treated.

Whereas I, by contrast, come down on the side of people doing whatever the hell they want as long as they don't hurt or disenfranchise anyone else.

Additionally, for me to consider someone an oxygen thief, that person would have to be a murderer, robber, rapist, kidnapper, malicious hacker, or some other equivalent category. Liking their sex toys to talk to them is light years away from qualifying.

Also, some people don't want human companionship yet want the illusion of it for erotic purposes, and acting on that impulse neither harms nor disenfranchises any living being.

Finally, a lack of interest in socialization does not have to be life-crippling and in fact, for many, is not in the least.

Life is not a one size fits all proposition. Diversity not only makes the world go round but also makes it more interesting than homogeneity ever could.

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Onyx

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2019, 11:30:16 am »
Quote from: Hapu
Finally, a lack of interest in socialization does not have to be life-crippling and in fact, for many, is not in the least.

I can't remember the source, but a few years ago there was a whole article about how some people are happier concentrating on their personal pursuits, while others are happier interacting with others.

Anyone ever take a real I.Q. test? I have twice. My overall scores were rather high, but if one looks at it like a graphic equalizer with it's "ups and downs", I had plenty of downs, particularly when it came to social reasoning.

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Life is not a one size fits all proposition.

No it is not, humans (and even other animals) can be very different. If we have anything in common it is survival through eating and getting enough sleep so we can carry on another day.

I've never been much of a women-chaser, because that tends to be a burden. When it comes to an android, I don't want to pay thousands of dollars for one, and I wonder what the maintenance costs would be? :mrgreen:


Cabshear

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2019, 03:51:46 am »
The AI isn’t there yet. However, having a sex doll with AI connected to a network that is continuously making personal privacy impossible may not be a good idea. Don’t want a surprise social media post of you going hog wild on a sex doll. Consider looking at the religions right now using networked robots to lead rituals and ceremonies. These robots have feedback systems. They have cameras that watch you. Until Westworld arrives...

https://www.the-doll-house.com/


I’ll end my paranoid IRobot rant right there lol
« Last Edit: September 17, 2019, 05:01:23 am by Cabshear »
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Re: Sexbots
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2019, 10:26:17 am »
...However, having a sex doll with AI connected to a network that is continuously making personal privacy impossible may not be a good idea.

Agreed. I would not want my sexbot to have any ability to access the internet or the cable or telephone networks.

Consider looking at the religions right now using networked robots to lead rituals and ceremonies. These robots have feedback systems. They have cameras that watch you. Until Westworld arrives...

I hadn't heard of this!
I found this article:
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/9/9/20851753/ai-religion-robot-priest-mindar-buddhism-christianity
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Kapalika

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2019, 12:28:26 pm »
Many people who prefer sexbots and people who prefer dead bodies have more in common psychologically than many people realize. Anxiety about relationships, fear of intimacy and/or rejection, the desire for an unresistant partner, power over something, a sense of control, ect ect

Of course, there was always that dude who was in "love" with his car on my strange addiction... same thing essentially but more fetishistic.

The only use I'd see for a doll is if you really don't like one night stands and/or wanna fuck something a little less 'human' and more mythical but for me that would be as easy as asking my GF to put on horns and a tail >:)

*starts looking up wearable horns on amazon*
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idgo

Re: Sexbots
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2019, 03:50:58 pm »
Many people who prefer sexbots and people who prefer dead bodies have more in common psychologically than many people realize. Anxiety about relationships, fear of intimacy and/or rejection, the desire for an unresistant partner, power over something, a sense of control, ect ect

In the direction of "ethical quandaries that fucking plastic works better than fucking people to resolve", necrophilia's barely the beginning. People have kinks around owning what they fuck, being the only person to have ever fucked it, or preferring highly specific body types (the whole spectrum from having a slight racial preference down into disability-related kinks, and beyond). In the past, there's been a limited spectrum of approaches to dealing with such a kink:

1) Don't do anything about it.

2) Simulate the morally questionable act in circumstances that you believe to be acceptable -- for instance there's a whole rabbit hole of people who're big on porn artists with broken limbs, but they simulate this by putting casts on intact limbs instead of actually getting injured.

3) Do it "for real", either by finding an edge case of circumstances where the ethics seem acceptable (in the broken limbs case, maybe do it when a consenting long term partner has gotten injured for unrelated reasons) or just disregarding the ethics and using others (anything from luring prospective partners into a relationship solely because they have the fetishized trait, to the obviously problematic extreme of taking action to induce the desired trait in an unconsenting person).

To risk overgeneralizing, items lower on the list are considered more potentially enjoyable by people with whatever fetish it is, whereas items higher on the list are considered "better" outcomes by people who find the fetish confusing or repulsive.

Anyways, sexbots potentially add a fourth option, especially for people who also enjoy having control of their sexual partner: Script the behavior you want it to do, then replay it. However, if a bunch of bored and horny programmers had access to a platform on which successfully building AI would get them laid in exactly the way they wanted, it might shorten the time to strong AI*  (and thus, the point where doing something to a robot starts having comparable moral implications to doing it to a human) significantly.


* Abhorrently vague term, used here to imply "a program that lots of humans recognize as self-aware"