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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by Olive on Today at 10:32:41 pm »
(Warning: do not read this if you are afraid it might bum you out. This is my take on expounding gnostic/anti-cosmic ideas emotively, rather than systematically/philosophically. I just worry it might seem too cold, because my style is not very emotional - and it wasn't on topic for me to go in detail on what to do about this problem.)


It is all well and good to say "There is no Good without Evil," or "Good and Evil are balanced/a duality," in discussions like these.

But I often wonder if this only true in a linguistic/conceptual sense and not an experiential one. Are these two ideas really on the same level in the Universe? I don't know that I can say that they are. I think an honest look at most people's lives would reveal them to be more pain than pleasure, both in terms of time and intensity. I'm sure we all have good days, but it would be damn near ignorant or foolish to look at this whole process of life and call it "good."

It's sort of difficult to even prove that "good" exists as a positive value. (I mean positive in the technical sense, AKA good as a presence of qualities rather than the absence of them.) What can we really say is good in this life? Food, drink, sex - all things we say we enjoy, but really they just alleviate our deficiencies for a short time. The pleasure of these things is largely found in the absence of hunger, thirst, and lust. There is an additional appreciation for the qualia of consuming the food we enjoy, but this is of course subjective - much like beauty. We all have a different idea of what it is and a different reaction to our perceptions of it.

Sex of course is the most complicated of the things I mentioned because it is often wrapped up with what we call erotic love. Humans romanticize this type of love to an incredible degree, but as has been noted countless times through the ages - it can be accurately described as an addiction to another person, with most of the same symptoms, side effects, and withdrawals. Not that it can't be engaged with fruitfully, but I would encourage caution. Because although it's front side is beautiful, the back side is often extremely ugly - offering some of the worst experiences human existence has to offer in the forms of betrayal, loss, lingering psychological dependencies, enchainment, existential crisis, you name it. It seems that all the good we have access to is relative.

Now, I do actually believe that there is good in existence, like the gaining of knowledge and understanding, a sense of belonging with close friends, creating art, and self-actualization. Even if we have to make these things for ourselves, they are real to us.

But if we look at evil/bad/suffering - we do not see the same ambivalence. Pain is very real - almost too real. We all experience it, and it is not subjective. We do not have to craft the negative meaning for ourselves in our experiences of pain, it asserts itself. There is no other way to react to it. Pain certainly has a positive existence, characterized by its presence in varying degrees of intensity, duration, location. This is very easy to prove, as we can take a person (any person) and subject them to suffering. Then we can increase the level of suffering until it is far beyond their degree of tolerance. At this point, they will admit two things readily:

1. Suffering is real.

2. Freedom is desired. (To move away from that suffering.)

Pain is not even the only example of this asymmetry between good/evil. Earlier I mentioned knowledge. Knowledge can often be very arduous to acquire, taking much effort to fully make use of it. But once gained, how freely it can be lost - and effortlessly, without us even being aware of it.

It does not stop here. There are other things that I think we can say are both objectively bad and real. In short, these things are Imprisonment, Torture, Slavery, and Rape. From where I sit, any attempt to argue that this is not so will be fraught with difficulties. Earlier, alongside knowledge, I mentioned the gaining of understanding as a good. Understanding, by its very nature, breaks through delusions and allows one to see clearly. But the more understanding of the world one has, the more it will allow them to see that life is practically nothing but Imprisonment/Torture/Slavery/Rape on every level of existence. (Physically, Socially, Emotionally, Romantically, Mentally, Spiritually, etc). And they will begin to see that these are not different things, but that they are actually all part of the one same thing, which is Life. (Ie These are the things that make up Life.)

This is what embodiment is. Being subject to Prison/Torture/Slavery/Rape, regularly, on all levels, for your entire lifetime.

When you hear me talk about the critique of existence, this is what I'm talking about. And this is really just the tip of the iceberg. The analysis is an ever deeper process. Somehow, no matter how far you go, you will always continue to realize worse and worse things, forever. This is the infinite horror of the face of the Demiurge - but ignorance of it is not bliss. For if this evil is not recognized for what it is at all levels, we will continue to voluntarily throw ourselves into the many traps that surround us, and therefore we will be unable to reduce suffering for ourselves and those around us.
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Princes and Princesses of Darkness (simple googling collection)

Ishtar: The cult of Inanna-Ishtar, which may have been associated with a variety of sexual rituals including homosexual transvestite priests and sacred prostitution... Many of her myths involve her taking over the domains of other deities. She was believed to have stolen the mes, which represented all positive and negative aspects of civilization, from Enki, the god of wisdom...  In the standard Akkadian version of the Epic of Gilgamesh, Ishtar is portrayed as a spoiled and hot-headed femme fatale who demands Gilgamesh become her consort. When he refuses, she unleashes the Bull of Heaven, resulting in the death of Enkidu and Gilgamesh's subsequent grapple with his mortality...

Astarte: appears as a daughter of Epigeius, "sky" (anc. Greek: Οὐρανός ouranos/ Uranus; Roman god: Caelus) and Ge (Earth), and sister of the god Elus. After Elus overthrows and banishes his father Epigeius, as some kind of trick Epigeius sends Elus his "virgin daughter" Astarte along with her sisters Asherah and the goddess who will later be called Ba`alat Gebal, "the Lady of Byblos".[6] It seems that this trick does not work, as all three become wives of their brother Elus. Astarte bears Elus children who appear under Greek names as seven daughters called the Titanides or Artemidesand two sons named Pothos "Longing" (as in πόθος, lust) and Eros "Desire". Later with Elus' consent, Astarte and Hadad reign over the land together. Astarte puts the head of a bull on her own head to symbolize Her sovereignty. Wandering through the world, Astarte takes up a star that has fallen from the sky (a meteorite) and consecrates it at Tyre.

Quetzalcoatl: he was the wind; he was the guide, the road sweeper of the rain gods, of the masters of the water, of those who Brough rain. And when the wind increased, it was said, the dust swirled up, it roared, howled, became dark, blew in all directions; there was lightning; it grew wrathful.[13]... Quetzalcoatl went to Mictlan, the underworld, and created fifth-world mankind from the bones of the previous races (with the help of Cihuacoatl), using his own blood, from a wound he inflicted on his earlobes, calves, tongue, and penis, to imbue the bones with new life.

Prometheus: (/prəˈmiːθiːəs/; Greek: Προμηθεύς, pronounced [promɛːtʰeús], meaning "forethought")[1] is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who is credited with the creation of man from clay, and who defies the gods by stealing fire and giving it to humanity, an act that enabled progress and civilization. Prometheus is known for his intelligence and as a champion of mankind.[2]... Prometheus became a figure who represented human striving, particularly the quest for scientific knowledge, and the risk of overreaching or unintended consequences. In particular, he was regarded in the Romantic era as embodying the lone genius whose efforts to improve human existence could also result in tragedy: Mary Shelley, for instance, gave The Modern Prometheus as the subtitle to her novel Frankenstein (1818)...
In the trick at Mekone (535–544), a sacrificial meal marking the "settling of accounts" between mortals and immortals, Prometheus played a trick against Zeus. He placed two sacrificial offerings before the Olympian: a selection of beef hidden inside an ox's stomach (nourishment hidden inside a displeasing exterior), and the bull's bones wrapped completely in "glistening fat" (something inedible hidden inside a pleasing exterior). Zeus chose the latter, setting a precedent for future sacrifices (556-557). Henceforth, humans would keep that meat for themselves and burn the bones wrapped in fat as an offering to the gods.

Set: Seth, Setekh, Sut, Sutekh, Sety) was one of the most ancient of the Egyptian gods and the focus of worship since the Predynastic Period. As part of the Ennead of Heliopolis he was the son of Nutand Geb... He was a storm god associated with strange and frightening events such as eclipses, thunderstorms and earthquakes. He also represented the desert and, by extension, the foreign lands beyond the desert... he lived in the Great Bear, a constellation in the northern sky - an area which symbolized darkness, and death. He was restrained with chains and guarded by his wife Taweret, the hippo goddess of childbirth. He was given the two foreign goddesses Anat and Astarte (war goddesses from the Syria-Palestine area and daughters of Ra) as wives in compensation for Ma´at's (or Neith's) ruling that Horusshould rule Egypt... Although they fought, neither party could win and it was believed that they would continue to fight until the end of time when Ma'at was destroyed and the waters of Nun(chaos) engulfed the world... Ramesses II's divided his army into four divisions, and named one after Set. When he fought the Hittities he was described as being "like Set in the moment of his power" and "like Set, great-of-strength". He even named his daughter Bint-Anat (Daughter of Anath, Set's wife)...

Lucifer: In ancient Canaanite mythology, the morning star is pictured as a god, Attar, who attempted to occupy the throne of Ba'al and, finding he was unable to do so, descended and ruled the underworld.... Similarities have been noted with the East Semiticstory of Ishtar's or Inanna's descent into the underworld,[45] Ishtar and Inanna being associated with the planet Venus...

The Devil: Historically, the Devil can be defined as the personification of whatever is perceived in society as evil and the depiction consist of its cultural traditions.[3] In Christianity, the manifestation of the Devil is the Hebrew Satan; the primary opponent of God.[4][5] While in Christiany, the Devil was created by God, in Absolute dualism, the Devil is alternatively seen as an independent principle besides the good God...

Ahriman: To aid him in attacking the light (Spenta Mainyu, the good creation of Ahura Mazdā), Angra Mainyu created a horde of demons embodying envy and similar qualities... In thedualisticbeliefs of early Zoroastrianism, good and evil fought for control of the world—Ahura Mazda from the heavens and Ahriman from theunderworld.The two forces were evenly matched, and each in turn gained supremacy. Ahura Mazda represented fire, sunlight, and life. Ahriman was the lord of darkness and death. Zoroastrianslater came to view Ahura Mazda as the supreme ruler who would one day achieve final victoryover Ahriman... A similar statement occurs in Yasna 30.3, where the antithesis is however aka mainyu, aka being the Avestan language word for "evil". Hence, aka mainyuis the "evil spirit" or "evil mind" or "evil thought," as contrasted with spenta mainyu, the "bounteous spirit" with which Ahura Mazda conceived of creation, which then "was"... Yasht 15.43 assigns Angra Mainyu to the nether world, a world of darkness. So also Vendidad 19.47, but other passages in the same chapter (19.1 and 19.44) have him dwelling in the region of the daevas, which the Vendidad asserts is in the north. There (19.1, 19.43–44), Angra Mainyu is the daevanam daevo, "daeva of daevas" or chief of the daevas. 

 Melek Taus: In the Garden of Eden Tawsi Melek made his influence felt among all the races and their descendants destined to populate the Earth. He taught Adam and Eve, the parents of the pre-destined 72 tribes of Earth people, the secrets of worship and human evolution. Later, each of the 72 tribes took his image and teachings with them to their new homes... God ordered Tawûsê Melek not to bow to other beings. Then God created the other archangels and ordered them to bring him dust (Ax) from the Earth (Erd) and build the body of Adam. Then God gave life to Adam from his own breath and instructed all archangels to bow to Adam. The archangels obeyed except for Tawûsê Melek. In answer to God, Tawûsê Melek replied, “How can I submit to another being! I am from your illumination while Adam is made of dust.” Then God praised him and made him the leader of all angels and his deputy on the Earth. (This likely furthers what some see as a connection to the Islamic Shaytan, as according to the Quran he too refused to bow to Adam at God’s command, though in this case it is seen as being a sign of Shaytan’s sinful pride.) 

Odin: he often ventures far from their kingdom, Asgard, on long, solitary wanderings throughout the cosmos on purely self-interested quests. He’s a relentless seeker after and giver of wisdom, but he has little regard for communal values such as justice, fairness, or respect for law and convention. He’s the divine patron of rulers, and also of outcasts. He’s a war-god, but also a poetry-god, and he has prominent “effeminate” qualities that would have brought unspeakable shame to any historical Norse/Germanic warrior. He’s worshiped by those in search of prestige, honor, and nobility, yet he’s often cursed for being a fickle trickster... For Odin, any kind of limitation is something to be overcome by any means necessary, and his actions are carried out within the context of a relentless and ruthless quest for more wisdom, more knowledge, and more power, usually of a magical sort. Odin’s competitive side once drove him to challenge the wisest of the giants to a contest to see who was more knowledgeable and learned. The prize was the head of the loser, and Odin won by asking his opponent something that only he himself could know. Odin then claimed his prize and returned to Asgard.[10]

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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by Xepera maSet on April 20, 2018, 11:40:04 pm »
For the record definitely acknowledge a rant doesn't necessarily equate to actual metaphysics. For example I know the plus sides of matter, this life, unconscious law, etc. That's why I clarified it as a rant. Not that I take it back! Honestly it's like in Judaism where you're allowed to scream and swear at god if it helps you, ranting is like a psychodrama almost.

I like this though:

"I hope one day, from wherever we go, we get to watch it all burn, the final failure of the pathetic, malevolent, impotent monster worshipped by the RHP."

Metal as fuck.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by pi_rameses on April 20, 2018, 10:13:02 pm »
Better out than in.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by Deidre on April 20, 2018, 09:53:42 pm »
Life happens and you can't have the good without the bad. Also Yahweh according to them isn't the god of this world, their scripture clearly says Satan is the "god of this world" and the "prince and power of the airs". While I don't disagree Satan is the source of the material I also don't think it's evil, good, or bad. It just is. And it is opposition, conflict of dualities. IMO it's the wish to escape the material and live in some perfect "heaven" that defines religions like Christianity and Islam as they think this world is something 'evil' and corrupted.


There is beauty in the Universe, there is pain, there is a lot of ugly stuff too, and also pleasure. But mostly it's unfathomable voids and hydrogen.


Satanism ect embraces the material and that duality so we just live our lives. Hinduism accepts the material as a regular part of life but one that ultimately isn't the whole and/or true picture except for the sects that do think it is (what the whole picture is depends on sect). Not sure about other religions.


I think most religions do though address the cause of suffering in their own beliefs... as LHP I don't think we are any different in that way. I personally don't believe in any cosmic good or bad and I don't think our suffering comes out of any malice or apathy but rather a requirement to be alive. If we look at it biologically it makes sense we would develop pain so we could avoid things that kill or hurt us, so our genes have a better chance at propagating. Everything else came out of that into our exponentially complex minds and without it none of us would be who we are as a species and literal living testament to the limits of nature and life.


So ultimately it comes down to the laws of reality since those are what drives natural selection. Satanism recognizes that we should overcome these limits and challenges of the physical world both as a species and individuals by not just surviving longer, but thriving too and enjoying life!


I'm willing to pay that price to exist. Nothing objectively *should* or *has* to be a way, It just is. Ultimately what "has" to be a way becomes a value judgement and when you make that realization I think life becomes a lot easier because you're more able to focus on what you can change rather then what you can't change but you think "should" be different. Not that we shouldn't try to make the world a better place, rather that as a single person we can't win all battles and fix all problems.
Honestly, this post really gets to me, in a positive way. Excellent points.
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Music / Re: NEW GHOST!!!!!!
« Last post by Xepera maSet on April 20, 2018, 09:16:52 pm »
I believe the new one comes before Opus Eponymous.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by Xepera maSet on April 20, 2018, 09:15:31 pm »
For the record definitely acknowledge a rant doesn't necessarily equate to actual metaphysics. For example I know the plus sides of matter, this life, unconscious law, etc. That's why I clarified it as a rant. Not that I take it back! Honestly it's like in Judaism where you're allowed to scream and swear at god if it helps you, ranting is like a psychodrama almost.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by Kapalika on April 20, 2018, 08:55:48 pm »
Ya, I pretty much agree with @Deidre and @NEMO 93 even though I got kinda caught up in the metaphysics... my point was more so where those metaphysical views come from and what it means for the events around us and what we have the power to change... really I guess the question is what do you want to change through your actions, and what can we do to help you realize that?
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Music / Re: NEW GHOST!!!!!!
« Last post by NEMO 93 on April 20, 2018, 07:58:31 pm »
I've been pretty excited about this.

I love the new PAPA. He's still Cardinal Copia (translates to Cardinal Mistake) at the moment but I like his comedic personality. I was not a big fan of III with II being my favorite despite loving them all almost equally.

For anyone unfamiliar with the band's albums they're each concept albums.

I- Conception of Anti-Christ

II- Birth of Antichrist

III-Abscence of God (I assume the anti-christ taking control of the world)

IV God's back and he's pissed (the new one coming out, hence the theme of plagues in the merchandise and music.)
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General LHP Discussion / Re: I'm done with Horus/RHP (rant)
« Last post by NEMO 93 on April 20, 2018, 07:55:26 pm »
I'm gonna totally outskirt the metaphysical stuff her because that doesn't seem to be the issue and I have no answer for it even if it was.

I'm sorry you're experiencing pain right now and I know it can be challenging to look at the world and wish it was a better place. It really does, I've been there before.

What I believe all occultism, LHP and RHP, leads to is sense of complete responsibility. At times, we have to surrender to what we can't control and acknowledge there's no satisfactory explanation for why this happens.

But this surrender doesn't mean we completely give up, just that we refocus our energy on what can help us and the people we care about. There's pain and there's beauty, and they all exist in people and the line isn't always clear. Pain and trauma is like a virus, people experience it in some way and unhealthy coping ends with it being spread. We have the choice of acknowledging it and channeling it into something positive for ourselves or others. We can create music or beautiful art to express ourselves fully, for example, among many other things.

I'm not trying to sound all optimistic and bullshit and I know the ability to do this can seem like a tiny fucking consolation prize in the grand scheme of things but sometimes a consolation prize can fulfill us with great meaning for even just a little bit. Also, don't be afraid to feel whatever you're going through or talk about it with people and just acknowledge it. It's important to let ourselves experience and live out the pain, as much as it fucking sucks, so that we can stay whole and in control of ourselves.
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