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Lounge / Update
« Last post by Onyx on September 28, 2020, 06:25:03 pm »
I have been very busy lately, but remain dedicated to the Order of the Serpent project. I think it is safe to say the same is true for @Setamontet. I check in daily to make sure the forum isn't broken, do the backups, etc.

This is not a failed experiment, but rather a successful one if one doesn't consider the Left-Hand Path to be a popular or fashionable one. We are not going anywhere anytime soon. Thanks for your participation.


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Setian Philosophy / Re: Invocation of Set
« Last post by Km Anu on September 24, 2020, 01:17:26 pm »
Hi I read all of the post here and I love the transparency, im newbie and im in need help of set how can I invoce set. I would appreciate a guidance on how to talk to him.

Thanks

I would suggest researching correspondences, especially in modern LHP stuff. The old stories help with understanding the form of Set, and contemporary practice builds a personal connection to him. First and foremost, it helps to find a focused discipline, such as meditation, automatic drawing, etc. The imagery requires a mild meditative focus.
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Music / Re: What really got my involved interest with Satanism
« Last post by Liu on September 19, 2020, 04:32:50 pm »
Took me much longer to get an interest than you two. I learned about Satanism in high school (we had to give presentations in religious class on a topic of our choice, and one group picked Satanism), yet from my vague memories it didn't sound very appealing and was probably mainly on the CoS.

Sure I also knew lyrics by Slayer and Venom and the like as a teen, but none of that pointed to an underlying philosophy that it would be worth to look into. And I also had some passing familiarity with other post-modern religions like Discordianism and Pastafarianism, yet I merely took them to be satire against religion, which I was used to from how my dad talks about religion anyway, not as religions in their own right.

I only really started investigating further into it in my early twenties, and, as you Sutekh, inspired by reading music lyrics, but rather those of Dissection and Deathspell Omega, among others.
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Music / Re: What really got my involved interest with Satanism
« Last post by Etu Malku on September 19, 2020, 02:03:02 pm »
It was 1969, I was 9 yrs old when we moved into our next home in a quiet suburban town in northern NJ. The house had a huge wrap-around porch in front which I immediately needed to explore underneath.

I entered thru the small side door by the driveway into the dirt floored catacomb where gardening tools, cement bags and loose bricks lay . . . my quest was the wrap-around section all the way in back . . . away from the light of the door . . . into my first Abyss!

I crawled to the far end and slowly made my way into the small room where after my eyes adjusted to the Dark I found a small night stand and a black book resting on top. I retrieved the book and snuck it up into my bedroom to investigate.

Lo and behold, it was none other than the Clavicula Salomonis Regis Lemegeton better known as the Lesser Key of Solomon and best known as the Goetia. At the time I had no idea what the cool demonic pictures were, what the weird words meant or anything about the book and its contents . . . but man did I flip through the pages and stare for days and days until it was confiscated by my mother and probably destroyed!

Dar Tariki Tariqat!
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Music / What really got my involved interest with Satanism
« Last post by Sutekh on September 19, 2020, 02:45:32 am »
I may had mentioned a bit of my stories of my upbringing's etc here on the forums. Back in elementary school, I finally heard about the Church of Satan and its founder mentioned by my history teacher. (fun fact, it was at a fundamentalist evangelist school). Back in the day of course I still had the mind of a child, so like any child I was ignorant on Satanism without further researching the topic. At that time, I was of course the kid who was ostracized by all the other Jesus rockin loving fucktards :mrgreen:, it was at that time that I began to hear about heavy metal. I began to identify in the Metal subculture as quick as it went, I started to notice the Satanic imagery displayed on some of the bands that I listened to as a youngster. Their was this one band that definitely caught me off guard "Dimmu Borgir." They quickly drew me in from seeing some of their music videos of the Satanic art that was put out, to this day they have been one of these bands that I can I guess thank for drawing me further in the darkness. :D.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gt7YWwOmRo&ab_channel=NuclearBlastRecords





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAmMcBQavKE&ab_channel=NuclearBlastRecords




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF3wagWwHjM&ab_channel=NuclearBlastRecords





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-muP0e9qN_s&ab_channel=NuclearBlastRecords






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESsm7-JxgE&ab_channel=NuclearBlastRecords




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNTrKsQ8TU&ab_channel=DimmuBorgir
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Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« Last post by Liu on September 15, 2020, 07:41:43 pm »
Ill'e try to make this sound less contradictory, I don't accept reality to be good but I understand that importance of being grounded in that reality of practicality. So, to that extent I accept what happens in that Reality as it is, even though I separate myself from it. To put it in terms, a Setian would be focused on success. Yes, that Setian would be dedicated in pursuing the Black Arts, but at the same time the Setian is grounded in that harsh reality in order for him or her to self preserver in his or her own success in that Reality. To put it bluntly the Setian is practical in his or successes in life, hence a good Setian wouldn't revolve his whole life around the occult as an escape from that reality, instead he balances both ways. From re watching both videos by Mr. LeRoy I tend to look at his talk of accepting Reality in a different perspective.
Ah yes, I would agree - staying grounded in reality is certainly part of it. And how exactly one positions oneself to this reality shouldn't matter, the Work can be done irregardless.

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I finally had the chance to re think what I was going to say, :). People have different wordings on their goals in achieving through the Western Left Hand Path. But they are about the same commonality you might say, as my previous comments mentioned, hence those who have different wordings are achieving the same thing on the path "Becoming more than Human."

(might seem like a repetition but that was where my thoughts went to)
I think I get what you're saying. Not sure whether you truly have to aim for superhumanity to be on the LHP, but that notion of seeing value in trying to evolve over one's limits is certainly fairly central to it.
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Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« Last post by Sutekh on September 15, 2020, 05:08:19 pm »
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Well regarding accepting reality as good, both Setians and Anti-Cosmic Gnostics seem to consider themselves separate from the objective universe and at least the Gnostics claim to want to get rid of it (depending on how literally you take them). So that part didn't seem to me something universally accepted by LHPers.

Ill'e try to make this sound less contradictory, I don't accept reality to be good but I understand that importance of being grounded in that reality of practicality. So, to that extent I accept what happens in that Reality as it is, even though I separate myself from it. To put it in terms, a Setian would be focused on success. Yes, that Setian would be dedicated in pursuing the Black Arts, but at the same time the Setian is grounded in that harsh reality in order for him or her to self preserver in his or her own success in that Reality. To put it bluntly the Setian is practical in his or successes in life, hence a good Setian wouldn't revolve his whole life around the occult as an escape from that reality, instead he balances both ways. From re watching both videos by Mr. LeRoy I tend to look at his talk of accepting Reality in a different perspective.

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(I lost my thinking of what I was going to say next, since its the middle of the night for me, I might wrap this up for now.)

I finally had the chance to re think what I was going to say, :). People have different wordings on their goals in achieving through the Western Left Hand Path. But they are about the same commonality you might say, as my previous comments mentioned, hence those who have different wordings are achieving the same thing on the path "Becoming more than Human."

(might seem like a repetition but that was where my thoughts went to)
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Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« Last post by Liu on September 15, 2020, 08:25:50 am »
What I was trying to bring up were a few hints that I was trying to show as my support of what I meant, on my previous commentary I mentioned a bit of the problems on how most people approach the Western Left Hand Path. I am not implying everyone as a whole having that problematic approach, as I am not one who is a so called "Tom Raspotnik" lol. The videos mention some small hints, of how those who get into Satanism would fall for the self deification trapping, and would of course as nearly mentioned would not progress along the Path, that Is where I was trying to get at. I could care less about the talking on the Eastern Left Hand Path history as its not my interest to explore it.

I see, you meant the part where he was talking about what the LHP isn't about, not about what it is about.
Well if it takes that little to be on the path...

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On the talk of accepting Reality as it is, or of oneself as good. I can personally agree on that, the LHP should be about staying grounded in Reality through that Self Deification process. To put these in my own analogical wording, "I don't see a person who chooses to not accept the truth of reality but focuses on his Magical interest as his way of self deification." What I am trying to get at is, if one chooses not to accept Reality or that self as "good" then their wouldn't be no point in achieving that process.
Well regarding accepting reality as good, both Setians and Anti-Cosmic Gnostics seem to consider themselves separate from the objective universe and at least the Gnostics claim to want to get rid of it (depending on how literally you take them). So that part didn't seem to me something universally accepted by LHPers.

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Perhaps you miss understand of what I was implying on "Erasing that Lesser Self." You and I have different wordings of the subject. Like LeRoy, I agree on being face to face with that Lesser Self accepting as it is, but by overcoming it. And what do I mean by "Overcoming it?" Erasing it, we can call it many things. "Over coming the human," etc, words that have the same definite goals do not mean a thing, what counts is having that goal and pursuing it. Yes, to answer your question I regard that Lesser Self as getting in the way on the Left Hand Path,

Thanks for clarifying, yes I found your wording a bit confusing.

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You may had misunderstood of what I was also trying to get at on stage 1. The reason why Satanism appears to be a joke is how some practitioners choose to handle it in an illogical manner. I am not saying this to you, what do I mean by that? To correct the misunderstanding, what I mean by Conventionality on the first stage is Conventional Religion. Of course some may view Conventional religion as part of that Lesser Self. However I view it as separate from that Lesser Self of stage 2. To give you an example of what I have been spilling out, take some random angry "Satanist" who hates "Christianity," and is so focused on hating it, to the point that he is stuck on that first stage, and maybe stuck on that by not furthering those other stages. This "Satanist" would be trapped under the ocean whirlpool constantly letting it drown him.

I see, but as not everyone grows up with a religion, stage 1 doesn't apply to everyone. (Well I did have religion class in school and even went to Sunday school for a year for my confirmation because tradition, but the form of Christianity here is very liberal, even including atheist perspectives, and my parents are atheists anyway).
That's why I wrote about what other forms of Conventionality it could apply to instead. But if you mean it to only refer to religion, then I guess it's just not relevant for many people.

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(I lost my thinking of what I was going to say next, since its the middle of the night for me, I might wrap this up for now.)
Good night ^^ No worries, just write whenever it's best for yourself ;)
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Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« Last post by Sutekh on September 15, 2020, 03:22:03 am »
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Hm, I watched the 2 vids, and I don't really get how that relates to your approaches to the LHP. His conclusion is that self-deification means acceptance of the whole of existence (and the whole of oneself) as good. He doesn't distinguish between higher or lesser self or whatever, the only particular part of the self he brings up is the shadow, which, while it might have some parallels is a very different notion from the greater self.

What I was trying to bring up were a few hints that I was trying to show as my support of what I meant, on my previous commentary I mentioned a bit of the problems on how most people approach the Western Left Hand Path. I am not implying everyone as a whole having that problematic approach, as I am not one who is a so called "Tom Raspotnik" lol. The videos mention some small hints, of how those who get into Satanism would fall for the self deification trapping, and would of course as nearly mentioned would not progress along the Path, that Is where I was trying to get at. I could care less about the talking on the Eastern Left Hand Path history as its not my interest to explore it.

On the talk of accepting Reality as it is, or of oneself as good. I can personally agree on that, the LHP should be about staying grounded in Reality through that Self Deification process. To put these in my own analogical wording, "I don't see a person who chooses to not accept the truth of reality but focuses on his Magical interest as his way of self deification." What I am trying to get at is, if one chooses not to accept Reality or that self as "good" then their wouldn't be no point in achieving that process.


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So I'm not sure whether I ever was on that first stage, because to me, my spirituality has nothing to do with rebelling against conventions - on the contrary, I'm happy when I find conventional things that fit into it.
What exactly do you mean by the lesser self? Those parts of oneself that get into the way of your goals? If so, then I would rather consider it LHP to work on integrating these parts instead of trying to erase them (which would be in line with what LeRoy seems to be talking about concerning the shadow).

Perhaps you miss understand of what I was implying on "Erasing that Lesser Self." You and I have different wordings of the subject. Like LeRoy, I agree on being face to face with that Lesser Self accepting as it is, but by overcoming it. And what do I mean by "Overcoming it?" Erasing it, we can call it many things. "Over coming the human," etc, words that have the same definite goals do not mean a thing, what counts is having that goal and pursuing it. Yes, to answer your question I regard that Lesser Self as getting in the way on the Left Hand Path,
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I think you're asking me this, yes? What I am referring to with the words Lesser Self is the human/primate psyche, full of habits, indoctrination, misinformation, non-thinking, and multiple shadows which when fully on the western left hand path need to be rectified and in the case of the multiple shadow aspects these need to be confronted and conquered in order to evolve spiritually.

Etu Malku has it right, like I said @Liu Words don't mean shit, what matters is how you approach that goal.

@Liu You may had misunderstood of what I was also trying to get at on stage 1. The reason why Satanism appears to be a joke is how some practitioners choose to handle it in an illogical manner. I am not saying this to you, what do I mean by that? To correct the misunderstanding, what I mean by Conventionality on the first stage is Conventional Religion. Of course some may view Conventional religion as part of that Lesser Self. However I view it as separate from that Lesser Self of stage 2. To give you an example of what I have been spilling out, take some random angry "Satanist" who hates "Christianity," and is so focused on hating it, to the point that he is stuck on that first stage, and maybe stuck on that by not furthering those other stages. This "Satanist" would be trapped under the ocean whirlpool constantly letting it drown him.

(I lost my thinking of what I was going to say next, since its the middle of the night for me, I might wrap this up for now.)
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Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« Last post by Sutekh on September 15, 2020, 12:50:24 am »
@Liu I will get back to you as soon as I can. (Like I said, lately Iv'e been very busy.)
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