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General LHP Discussion / Re: How do you define morality?
« Last post by Lily_Belial on Today at 10:22:37 am »
A friend shared with me an interesting take on morality recently. What he shared was the Kohlberg Study. Now, it isn't without problems, however I find it an interesting perspective. I've included it in my framework of understanding morality immensely. Basically, as I understand it, the study notes that people develop an understanding of morality in levels. The most basic level is one of obedience and punishment (usually by parents and then others), which is called Pre-conventional Morality. Level 2 is where most people eventually fall. This is a stage in moral development where a person adheres to the morality standards of their peer group/society. Morality is not questioned, but rather, a person desires to be included and approved of by their friends or society. This is called Conventional Morality. Level 3, is actually where I think most who use the term Satanist would naturally fall. This is perhaps a rare stage in moral development though. Level 3 is called Post-conventional Morality, and features an individual who can determine and adhere to their own moral compass. The most noteworthy thing about this kind of morality is adhering to these morals despite societal detriment.

So, are there moral absolutes? Yes, but they're subjective. That's the entire problem when debating issues regarding morality. You'd have to match the same moral development level, societal senses (in most cases), and (in most cases) share someone's subjective experience. None of that is a likely occurrence. But, hypothetically, people on that last level of morality may have a higher chance of agreeing.

If you'd like to read more on the psychological study, here's a link where I got my information: https://www.simplypsychology.org/kohlberg.html
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General LHP Discussion / Re: How do you define morality?
« Last post by Mindmaster on Today at 07:19:39 am »
It seems to me anyway, that morality is largely subjective. We have laws in society to warn us that if we break them, there will be dire consequences, so on some level, we believe that morality can be defined in a somewhat objective way. The abortion controversy that's going on in politics right now, got me to thinking about morality on a broader scale, now.  There will be many people who are in agreement with stricter abortion laws, and others who disagree. Who is right? Who is wrong?

Are there any moral absolutes out there, do you think?

Morality only exist by consensus, ergo it fails by divergence. It's not so much a right, as a "right now."

Anyway, Nietzsche was pretty smart about this concept in that most ideas espoused by the popular consensus are actually whatever serves the "master". Thus, any good "virtue" exposed by contemporary views is really just to keep the "slaves" in line. The master makes the rules as necessity dictates while the slave obeys either through fear, peer pressure, or guilt. The wikipedia article on the subject gives a good summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality


The laws, morality, and other constructs of this nature largely exist to serve the masters whom break them at will -- this hasn't changed since forever. However, in that, it generally isn't useful for such masters to have it known that they do so. Their currency is popular opinion, which they use to trigger the plebs into reacting adversely to their opposition.

Where there is an apparent clash on an issue, such as abortion, it's merely the masters of the religious right feuding with the masters of the lunatic left. Be your own master, set you own rules, and don't take the bait - your head space is your property. :D

For every supposed sin or immoral act, I can find valid reasons to engage in them if events demand them. If you can't your thinking is colored by these "slavish tropes" that have been previously discussed. (Likely through no fault of your own, mind you.) That, however, doesn't mean that those activities are profitable, conductive to your freedom, or useful. The master evaluates risk and reward, in our example, then acts accordingly and would not merely break with the conventions of society for the sake of doing so, it's just no obstacle when the need arises.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: How do you define morality?
« Last post by Etu Malku on May 19, 2019, 01:43:37 pm »
Eudaimonia: "The good composed of all goods; an ability which suffices for living well; perfection in respect of virtue; resources sufficient for a living creature." - Plato

Platonic philosophy defines morality & ethics based on a Eudaemon life. A life of self-discovery, the evolution of one's potential and a sense of purpose and meaning. Happiness and Well-Being is the goal of attaining a virtuous morality not based on some non-obligatory moral law (e.g. 'Law Giver'). Non-obligatory moral law means morality cannot be an obligation to doctrine as emphasized by religion or culture. Rather, morality must issue as a principle from the individuals own soul, heart, and conscience as opposed to doctrinally instituted and enforced. Plato believed, and I agree with him, that Man is inherently moral, that we know the difference between what is beneficial for ourselves and others as opposed to what is detrimental to both.

As Mercur├Žns we understand morality & ethics to go hand in hand with the gradual atonement with our Greater Self. The further we bring our Greater Self into our mundane existence, the clearer our moral compass becomes. We strive towards a beneficial and virtuous life in accordance with a reason not only for ourselves but for all of Humanity as well. We maintain that a life of pleasure coincides with a life of virtue and thus morality and ethics are seen as living in harmony with objective and subjective reality.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: How do you define morality?
« Last post by Onyx on May 19, 2019, 08:51:38 am »
Human beings are essentially amoral and selfish to the core. If we weren't, why would we need to agree on any social contracts or create laws intended to keep the peace? Our attempts to do so have partially worked, but often only create even more division.

Therefore I think you are correct in saying that morality is subjective, and I'll add that judgement calls are based on circumstances. As I've said many times before, usually one can live-and-let-live, but sometimes it's appropriate to live-and-let-die.
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General LHP Discussion / How do you define morality?
« Last post by Deidre on May 18, 2019, 06:47:24 pm »
It seems to me anyway, that morality is largely subjective. We have laws in society to warn us that if we break them, there will be dire consequences, so on some level, we believe that morality can be defined in a somewhat objective way. The abortion controversy that's going on in politics right now, got me to thinking about morality on a broader scale, now.  There will be many people who are in agreement with stricter abortion laws, and others who disagree. Who is right? Who is wrong?

Are there any moral absolutes out there, do you think?

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Gaming / Re: What are you playing?
« Last post by Mindmaster on May 18, 2019, 08:57:22 am »
I returned Kingdom Come haha. Got an army going again though. Having a big Halo festival with my friends tomorrow, I'm going to suck after getting decent at M&B lol

Mostly, I'm just waiting for Cyberpunk. :D

For the rest of the games around, they're just killing time for the main course as far as I'm concerned. I used to play the Cyberpunk RPG with my friends back in the day, so memory lane and all that, yadda.


KCD had a lot of bug fixes, so it's tolerable now. That's the only reason I didn't get it on release, initially. I heard tons of complaints, etc. I seen some of the glitches that were at release, and wasn't very impressed though everyone liked the story/play otherwise. Anyway, I have less than $20 into the game... I'd probably have really hated it if I paid the release price, especially with the problems.
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Gaming / Re: What are you playing?
« Last post by Xepera maSet on May 18, 2019, 06:28:09 am »
I returned Kingdom Come haha. Got an army going again though. Having a big Halo festival with my friends tomorrow, I'm going to suck after getting decent at M&B lol
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Gaming / Re: What are you playing?
« Last post by Mindmaster on May 18, 2019, 05:22:24 am »
Oh man. I had a powerful little Calvary force, $15,000, joined a group, went to war, lost literally everything, and now can't get going again haha.

Lots of saves, also if your healer gets in the fight make sure you bodyguard 'em. High surgery = no one dies, no surgery = lots of death.  Skills don't work when people get knocked down/out. Cav is OP everywhere but in the castle/siege scenario. Though the knights do really good even on the ground if they're not facing top tier ground troops (enemy sgts and guards).

I've switched games, playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance now. I'll go back to M&B eventually though, since if you want your mass combat fix that's the game. :D
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Gaming / Re: What are you playing?
« Last post by Xepera maSet on May 18, 2019, 01:05:48 am »
Oh man. I had a powerful little Calvary force, $15,000, joined a group, went to war, lost literally everything, and now can't get going again haha.
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Setianism / Re: Ancient Egypt 360┬░
« Last post by Xepera maSet on May 15, 2019, 03:10:44 pm »
Jealous??
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