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General LHP Discussion / A bit of heresy on "nothing is true, everything is permitted"
« Last post by King Mob on February 22, 2018, 01:19:13 am »
It's a nice maxim, and I really like it but people ignore it's source. It was originally in the novel Alumat used by Hasan to form the hasashin and control them.

In the book he is quoted as saying "a powerful and immutable plan was born in me, the likes which the world had never seen. To test human blindness to its utmost limits! To use it to attain absolute power and independence from the whole world! To embody the fairy tale! To turn it into such reality that our remotest descendants would talk about it! To conduct a great experiment on man!"

I can definitely see how the themes can support the modern interpretation of it in someway but it's a bit ironic that a quote by a character who wishes to control people with religion is used for spiritual freedom.
General LHP Discussion / Re: Downsides of a solitary path
« Last post by King Mob on February 21, 2018, 10:38:03 pm »
@Kapalika This is a wonderful response and one I needed to hear so I thank you.

I've actually gained access to my inner "guru" or "truth", or whatever you want to call it recently. I prefer the term HGA or Daemon just because . It definitely pointed me in the right direction and helped a lot, it's just that I haven't had the dedication to keep putting work into it or I suck at time-management. I've had a pretty good experience with spirit animals being trustworthy this far as well although I've heard some stories of people not in-tune having bad experiences.

Another one of my problem is I don't really have a religion per se. I suppose chaos magick but the scripture basically boils down to "anything, just fucking do it. your own way." when it comes to philosophy. I'm an existentialist too so I really have trouble agreeing to the morals represented in the older mythology which I resonate with as much as I like the stories. The ethics why I do resonate are found in the Norse myths which....are sadly scarce. But I've been getting signs to put more work into that paradigm anyways so I probably should seek it out a little harder.

I really love Order of the Serpent as well because it provides community and it's great, and I love the philosophy. But the invidual nature of LHP reminds me of there's a joke that trying to organize stuff in the Temple of Set is a bit like herding cats. I respect all of you and can gather great wisdom from you even when we have different beliefs but it sometimes gets slow around here due to us have various business in our own lives or sometimes I'd like to talk to someone working on the same stuff as me currently like Runes which is a lot more narrow and can be hard to find, not just in the O:.S:. but on the internet in general. 

General LHP Discussion / Re: Downsides of a solitary path
« Last post by Kapalika on February 21, 2018, 11:25:26 am »
I've noticed a lot of my problems come from my path being solitary lately. I mean there's stuff I can definitely fix on my own and still be solitary but some aspects that matter will not be the same.


I'd argue I should have self-motivation and dedication anyways. It's hard to remember to balance that motivation equally to mundane and spiritual life and it can be hard to come by at all on some days. It can be easier when you have someone that will check in on you periodically even if its just a social call cause as an extrovert, it sucks to not have anything new to talk about.

In the lack of a Guru, deep meditation or even a spirit guide can fulfill the role. Some say "be your own Guru", I suppose in the sense that a more ineffable part of ourselves is identified with the Divine.

Call it what you will, but the truth is inside all of us and that can be accessed via deep meditation. There is a deity inside all of us, and that can be accessed to help guide us towards are true, realized nature. This self-deity can be one's teacher.

A word of warning though, on spirit guardians; know their intention. Things can pose as something else and ultimately lead you to ruin.


It's hard to have that enthusiaism without someone to compare notes with. It helps you know if you're on the right track or not, course-correct. You learn alot from colleagues. The more I narrow my path down, the harder this comes to be. It's good to have someone to point out things you miss as well.

This is where the revelation of others particularly contained in your religion's scriptures comes in handy. I might not agree with everything written in my path's scriptures, but generally as I mature spiritually I find they are on point or close enough on most matters.

You can compare notes to your contemporary peers, but the problem comes with how far along your peers are. Rank, fame, infamy, or status does not matter here, nor does power. The way to assessing who's more spiritually developed will come down your beliefs I suppose, but after a while you start to develop a skill for assessing people to some degree of measurability.

So ultimately you have to use your own discretion in who it's worth comparing notes with.


Collaboraitive process has a way of jump starting creativity.

Particularly when you can play off of eachother's strengths.


As terrible of an idea as grades turned out to be in mystery schools in practice, I can see the want for the concept now. People around the same world view to talk with because while I'm not any type of prodigy or something: most of the people who I end up talkng to me about this are dabblers and it can be hard to relate or know how to converse about it with those people.

There is some argument to be made for a degree of secrecy within eastern traditions, but I think that the east's analog to western degree systems is justified as it's preserved a lot of teachings. In the west it often hasn't turned out that way, but that was due to other factors.

The benefit of such a system is really huge if the value system totally shuns nepotism. Perhaps this is why historically more ascetic types of lineages have fared much better than our more hedonistic western examples; in advancing in degree one tends to give up more of worldly living.

I personally think there can be a balance, using the convenience and comfort of worldly living without being consumed by it. In such a case modest living is a must.

However in light of what you pointed out, there are many cons perhaps best avoided. I kind of appreciate that about the Order of the Serpent, since it side steps many of the issues of a degree system. But at the same time I think that at least in theory something could be gained of it if implemented in such a way to not incentivise climbing it as a means of attaining more authority or power.

In that sense by looking at failures and successes in them, one can determine where they might benefit an organization or order. There are western and eastern systems where degrees worked well, and also where they failed miserably or got corrupted.
Music / Re: Dark Classical Music
« Last post by Setamontet on February 20, 2018, 02:47:31 pm »
Franz Liszt "Sonata in b minor" for piano, a master work of the romantic era;

General LHP Discussion / Re: Index of Terms
« Last post by pi_rameses on February 20, 2018, 02:03:02 am »
Will also change COS and TOS to CoS and ToS respectively. And generally anywhere that "of"is used (BoL, JoS etc).
General LHP Discussion / Re: Index of Terms
« Last post by pi_rameses on February 19, 2018, 04:23:37 pm »
Duly noted.
Movies / Re: Last Movie You Watched
« Last post by pi_rameses on February 19, 2018, 04:22:10 pm »
Never seen that. I'll check it out.
General LHP Discussion / Re: Index of Terms
« Last post by Xepera maSet on February 19, 2018, 08:26:38 am »
Order of trapezoid is technically OTr
General LHP Discussion / Re: Index of Terms
« Last post by Xepera maSet on February 19, 2018, 08:26:11 am »
O.S. not O.'.S.'.
General LHP Discussion / Re: Index of Terms
« Last post by Xepera maSet on February 19, 2018, 08:24:40 am »
"EU- epistemologic unfriendliness coined by @Xepera maSet. None of which we will be participating here on this forum. As its abbreviation suggests, it's a disgusting mode of foul play that won't be tolerated. Think "ew" when thinking of EU. Not the European Union. Its inverse is EF. "

Actually I've traced it back at least to William Rowe
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