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General LHP Discussion / Re: sex magic with partners
« Last post by idgo on Today at 08:35:56 am »
Since last I recalled that this thread existed, I have stumbled across the subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/entheogenicsex/. Some of its content dovetails quite nicely with the topics here, especially to those fond of a chaos / energy work type paradigm.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: Morality of children?
« Last post by Liu on Today at 06:57:20 am »

How can you be conscious yet not self-aware?
Conscious means perceiving from a subjective perspective. Most animals do that probably.
Self-aware means being aware that one exists as a perceiving being. Normally said to only apply to a few species. Needs the mental capability of self-reflection.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: Morality of children?
« Last post by Kapalika on Today at 04:41:01 am »
1. Something is immoral if it acts against free will and without consent

I think this is the crux of the issue; I do not believe this is a good or correct assumption.

Since again we can think of instances (such as locking up criminals) where this is the 'right' thing to do, or at least intervene against their will with some kind of rehabilitation to make them not violent in society (if you don't believe in punishment based systems).

Drug interventions and forced rehab is another example.

Hospitalizing suicidal individuals against their will is another.

Making kids eat their vegetables and go to bed on time, violates their (very defiant) free will and desire to stay up and eat ice cream.

Consent isn't the end all be all IMO but of course for adults consent will hold as the standard in 99% of cases it won't for some, meaning we can't use it as a blanket measure. Consent is of course very important and violating it again in 99% of cases WILL be wrong but in some instances it's not reasonable to ask consent or even it enter the equation.

Also, a not-existing-yet child can't give consent, yes, but it also doesn't exist. There isn't anything's free will to violate if it doesn't exist yet. So for something to be angry it didn't consent to being created seems kind of weird to me since it couldn't of existed before it did to deny consent in the first place.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: Morality of children?
« Last post by Kapalika on Today at 04:35:08 am »

Olive, I don't understand your explanation of what differs between Satan giving a previously non-self-aware collection of atoms the capacity for self-awareness, versus human parents taking actions that give a previously non-self-aware collection of atoms that same capacity for sentience. Could you go back through the explanation of that difference in smaller words to assist the simpler-minded among us such as myself? If creating self-awareness or sentience where there was none before is a moral good when Satan does it, how does it suddenly become bad when done by anyone else?


This.

I think the problem in you two understanding each other might lie in what you assume the gift of the prince of darkness consisted of.
If it only consisted of making already conscious creatures self-aware, then it would not increase suffering (or at least not directly) and increase the creatures' ability to do something about their situation.
If it consisted of making previously unconscious creatures conscious, then yes, I could see how that would increase suffering, as only something conscious can suffer.


How can you be conscious yet not self-aware?
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Announcements / Happy 2nd Anniversary of the Order of the Serpent!
« Last post by Xepera maSet on January 22, 2019, 11:40:05 pm »
 :thumbsup:

Thank you above all to Onyx, /u/GiftofSet, for all your tireless efforts to run this place!
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General LHP Discussion / Re: Morality of children?
« Last post by Xepera maSet on January 22, 2019, 05:33:07 pm »
I think children suffer before higher consciousness. I know I was getting migraines at 2, missing my father by 3, but I still didn't reason until 7-12.
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Satanism / Re: Satan as nature
« Last post by Liu on January 22, 2019, 03:34:50 pm »
That's some interesting food for thought!

I agree in the conclusion, but I'm not that sure about the arguments.

I would not necessarily say that what you call acting "consciously" is the actual mechanism behind that "unnatural" potential of humans. Sure it has to do with mindfulness, with putting thought into one's decisions instead of just reacting. But I would rather call that the ability of self-reflection - I am very unsure whether it has anything to do with consciousness in and of itself, and not rather more with using certain mental facilities.

Dunno whether we disagree on terminology or on metaphysics.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: Morality of children?
« Last post by Liu on January 22, 2019, 03:18:16 pm »
I think the problem in you two understanding each other might lie in what you assume the gift of the prince of darkness consisted of.
If it only consisted of making already conscious creatures self-aware, then it would not increase suffering (or at least not directly) and increase the creatures' ability to do something about their situation.
If it consisted of making previously unconscious creatures conscious, then yes, I could see how that would increase suffering, as only something conscious can suffer.
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General LHP Discussion / Re: Another book price rant
« Last post by Little Beast on January 21, 2019, 08:52:13 pm »
Maybe donating them to a library would be better. Or even better, giving them to a fellow left-hand path practitioner.

Hahaha, "never let the truth get in the way of a good story."

"The bin" was one of those community library thingos, like a cupboard in a public place people swap books at (we call them "book bins" here). "The guys who work the dump" are anyone stuck in the capitalist whorehouse we call a society. Mind you, I know literally everything that goes in actual bins gets sorted at the tip were I was living. The tip shop also was, always will be, the most interesting shop in that whole city.

Believe me, if there was someone who practiced that particular paradigm I would have given the tomes directly to them. Given those circumstances, it was far more efficient (in the magical sense) as a practitioner of Chaos based magic to let Chaos itself make the decisions.
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Satanism / Re: Satan as nature
« Last post by Etu Malku on January 21, 2019, 07:06:17 pm »
I've since surrendered to putting forth my ideas regarding East/West LHP philosophy, it never goes well and it never concludes. That said, I want to post this recent article of mine which I hope is relative to the discussion in some way or another.

The Way of Nature is the Way of Death

Human consciousness will not evolve unconsciously, which is the way of Nature. Human consciousness can only evolve consciously, and only according to the processes of its own nature. To go the way of Nature (a.k.a. Objective Universe) which is unconscious on a biological level and nothing more than a mindless, mechanism, we will cease to evolve as individuals. The way of Nature makes us fat and lethargic, clogs our arteries and persistently works to stop our metabolism. The way of Nature instills a tendency in us to cease examining one's self and to outwardly project all of one's unconscious internal demons (the Jungian Shadow Self).

Enter the Black Flame

Fortunately, we have a self‑aware consciousness that gives us the ability to live for ourselves. We don't have to follow along with what Nature may or may not decide for us as a result of an inexorable, unconscious mechanism that it is. We can choose (something nature cannot do) to go AGAINST THE GRAIN!

The Way of the Black Flame is the way of conscious self-awareness giving us the ability to alter, determine, and direct our own course in a way no other species is capable of on earth. We are not at the mercy of Nature's wrath, we can stand apart from this unconscious, mechanism and go against its flow, create and reinvent ourselves. The Way of Nature is the way of least resistance, which may appeal to the herd mentality, however, consciousness is born and evolved through the path of difficulty and challenge. It will only develop and be made more conscious through conscious effort. Nature cannot do this for us, it can only make us more unconscious.
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Etu Malku V° HH☿D
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