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General LHP Discussion / Re: Is the RHP a myth?
« on: February 10, 2020, 07:30:04 pm »
My only thought is that I use the terms LHP/RHP rather loosely to contrast the difference between self-directed religions and conventional ones based on saviors.

You could look it at that way, but there are certainly RHP religions/belief systems that do not incorporate the concept of a savior at all. Certainly, there is a rote dogma to most of these systems but I don't particularly feel that is a necessary requirement. For example, there are many non-denominational "solo" Christians that do not go to church or accept it as an authority. They will pray to God, but never see a preacher or priest. :D (These types are quite on the rise, recently, btw. Due to all the scandals.) I still feel they are living via a Christian concept of acceptable norms/ethics/etc, so they're still RHP as all hell -- but, that dividing line is getting rather blurry.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Is the RHP a myth?
« on: February 10, 2020, 07:24:10 pm »

Body/mind/soul - which apparently, at least for Mindmaster and Kapalika, does not apply to LHP

To be clear, LHP can believe in "mind/body/soul" it's just in LHP understandings of that subject none of the parts are "better" than the others. Rather they are seen as contiguous or simply "onion layers" of being. Thus, the LHP'er will might accept that these things exist but doesn't forsake any portion as being impure or imply that being worldly is a less favorable condition than being spiritual. For our spiritually-minded LHP'er there is no "sin" or "vice" attached to these concepts. Which is just about the exact opposite understanding of the RHP belief systems. :D

General LHP Discussion / Re: Is the RHP a myth?
« on: February 09, 2020, 06:26:16 pm »
There is supposedly a trajectory known as the RHP, which could be summarized as seeking to stop being a singularity and start being a zero so infinity can be experienced and enabled, a state of being I'll call "dissolution into the All."

Re: Hindu's -- It's thousands of religions pretending to be one and for the ideas one school or guru teaches the other teaches the complete and total opposite. Nothing is really more schizophrenic than that. :D

Anyway, the RHP doesn't have to follow the same metaphysical / cosmological understandings to qualify as being exactly that. It's more about "culturally accepted practices" and baked-in ethics.


1) The RHP limits itself to social acceptable practices. (Mass, Prayer, etc.) If occultism is explored it is explored only in the manner that is the most friendly to this worldview. (For example, using names of angels and the names of God to work white magick.) It would still be pretty taboo to approach the occult subjects, but if it was done in the way that is mindful to the belief system it's generally accepted. (There are plenty of schools of Christian mystics doing exactly this... etc)

2) The "psycho-spiritual view" is that there is a mind, body, and soul and that they separate things that interact. Most of these religions will hold a view that "mind and body" are inferior pieces of the puzzle as well, since they "die" with the flesh.

3) There is a cosmic boogeyman that enforces the dogma of the religion. Whether it be karma, sin, or a "threefold law" that is the impetus for triggering the ire of the sky daddy/mommy/etc.

That doesn't include a state of "oneness" for the most part as you can see especially due to the complexity of addressing that issue on point #2. In most cases, that view propagated by smaller cloistered groups of monks associated with the main religion -- not the lay people themselves. (as you've noted) So, "on the record", these concepts are generally not part of the theological understanding of these religions. (But, small sects within the overall religion will have these ideas.)

Anyway, that's about as simple as I can try to explain it. At least, in the context of what are "mandatory features" of the RHP.

Lounge / Re: Organizing this Forum
« on: February 09, 2020, 05:55:07 pm »
he becomes a “babe of the abyss”. [/color]

Rarely, if ever, will I agree with you much on anything but the absolute goal of Thelema is ego-annihilation in order to experience one's "true self". (Whatever that means...) It's certainly a bit more nuanced than that, but I'm evading all the made up Crowley-babble to make the point. Of course, all of that clap-trap is simply lifted from Eastern systems and just grafted into Thelema. It's not really an original idea. Are the mainstream Hindu religions LHP? Certainly not... And, neither is this. :D

That would fundamentally be exactly the opposite of the LHP in any incarnation. The LHP tack would be "sharpening up the rough edges" or "making it work in a way that isn't an obstacle" -- as a comparison. Even if the LHPer believes in a "higher power" of sorts the primary working idea is attunement rather than subjugation to it.

Lounge / Re: Organizing this Forum
« on: February 07, 2020, 02:31:50 pm »
I think the more "generalizing" you can do for the forum the better... First, the post volume isn't high enough in sub-forums to typically warrant there being very many of them. I'd keep the divisions basically wherever they have to be to avoid posts being vastly off-topic. People talking about Thelema obviously don't care about Satanism in many cases and ditto the other way around...

Secondly, if the post volume for a topic is less than a few posts/replies that doesn't really warrant a sub-forum at all. I'd evade the obscure and those posts probably go to "other religions" or "lhp" general. The more you divide the emptier they look, basically. :D

You can move important sub-forum posts from the area they are in to the general and sticky/cross-reference them in another post, etc.

General LHP Discussion / Re: How do *you* LHP?
« on: February 07, 2020, 11:31:54 am »
I'm not even sure whether I'm LHP ;)

I tend to view LHP as spirituality that rejects dogma, but obviously that'll automatically exclude any atheistic expression unintentionally. :D Suffice to say LHP spirituality is based on one's direct subjective experience rather than accepting or taking anything via a faith mechanism. You can believe in the same pantheon of deities (as the RHP adherent) under this model, but it's your approach that is different. You believe in what you know to exist with no mediator, priest, or book between you and your deitie(s). This is obviously _clear cut_ as you can be in regard to the definition of the LHP.

That being said there is certainly non-spiritual left-handed philosophy (as opposed to spiritual beliefs) that goes into a larger scale and applies to social norms more universally. Of course, this doesn't address the original connotation of the term at all as that was in regard to a spiritual context. The debate is rather whether this is "LHP or not" in converse to people where the first paragraphs definition would apply. I tend to think that it's LHP compatible, but not particularly LHP in the truest sense of the term. You certainly could have both "case a and b" in your belief structure, but this case isn't particularly mandatory. This is why I don't think a "by the book" LaVey Satanist is a real LHPer as they really don't embrace the ritual context outside of the rejection of societal norms. I don't think, for example, becoming a nihilist or embracing Nietzsche particularly has anything to do with the LHP. LHP is a practice you either do or don't do... It's not a philosophy or ideology... You're not "on a path" if you're not doing something. At least, that's how I've understood it.

So, basically you have two camps that believe things in two completely different frames of reference arguing until they run out of oxygen about who's interpretation is more correct. The truth is that neither are better or worse, but rather tools of one's personal expression/understanding. Most people don't fall completely in one or the other camp, but rather meld the two in varying degrees. I'm mostly column A, but I certainly built it from column B. :D

Satanism / Re: What is really removed from /r/Satanism?
« on: February 05, 2020, 09:36:21 am »
Nearly anything relevant or interesting is removed from /r/Satanism. :D

It's just basically controlled by the mouthpieces of CoS and their pets, so if you're not exactly down with their ideology get stuffed.

Satanism / Re: What does theistic satanism have to offer
« on: February 05, 2020, 09:34:25 am »
Or rather what can I offer. I want to learn and I guess this is a good first question.

The goal of every spiritual path is contentment and or happiness... It's that simple. This is why you have thousands of them. Not every person finds those things via the same mechanism or aesthetic.

Now, after that... What does Satan mean to you? You'll have to meditate on this and pray a lot. Don't read books on it -- DO the thing. Prayers to ask Satan for understanding are enough... Meditation is about putting your mind clutter into a little box so you can listen. It's not about rational process where you analyze everything - do that later, when you're not doing the prayer or meditations. Meditation is a core practice for all theistic Satanists -- it is the one that allows you to experience Satan directly. _IT_ is probably the most important practice alone. Prayers are more about aligning one's waking psyche to that end and mediation is about aligning oneself intuitively. As a theistic Satanist, you are the priest/preacher, the layperson, and the monk. There is no one between you and your deity, but this adds more work to the practice. One must live in the mindfulness of Satan to be a theistic Satanist, but it's not simply a decision. And, I'll be the first to admit that isn't for everyone. That bond with Satan is our most cherished thing in our lives.

Secondly, this isn't some Hollywood make a deal with the Devil thing - one doesn't typically offer anything more than their devotion/love. This may have many different physical manifestations, but this is the intended purpose. Thus, there are many ways to express this and what works for you as an individual is largely governed by your own preferences.

Anyway, if your get the prayer and meditation going the rest will come to you when it is relevant. As far is "magick" and other practices -- they are not typically necessary in the theistic context theurgic magick is a thing. If your level of belief is strong enough you can do magick with prayers... or even without them... once you've aligned enough with that power... Hence, back to practice #1 and #2 -- prayers & meditation.

Satanism / Re: The Satanic Altruist
« on: February 05, 2020, 09:09:26 am »

Would helping Jim show a lack of aesthetics? It would if your plan involves making a good impression and you don't have a clue how to do that.

If you like Jim, help Jim, lol. Do you need other reasons? Generally, it'd be enough for me.

Satanism really doesn't bother with addressing the social context, but more of the ideological/philsophical/spiritual ones. Anyway, it's suffice to say, "What is natural to you, is right.", as a simple axiom. I'd say that most flavors of Satanism tend to agree with that basic understanding though might not state it so plainly.

So, if you're give your shirt off your back type person you don't have to explain your actions as a Satanist -- that's your nature, so go right ahead and do it if so inclined. Not that you had to explain your actions anyway -- the only judge and jury that mattered was you in the first place. :D

General LHP Discussion / Re: Traditional systems of magic?
« on: February 05, 2020, 08:56:17 am »
I'm a beginner in alot of ways to focusing directly on a specific craft and mastering it. In the essential guide to the left hand path book, it says to master a traditional system of magic. Anyone want to help me out with what that means?

For example  are tarot, sigil magick, black magick, ceremonial all traditional systems or am I tripping?


What system works for you largely depends on your belief system...

If you can believe in the deities or demons or other entities of that nature theurgic magick is far more useful to you. If you don't believe in anything Chaos will probably be more effective... If you like ritual trappings Ritual and Ceremonial Magick will be much more efficient.

There is nothing "traditional" about any of the systems of magick used today as most were invented in the late to mid 19th century and expanded from there. Theurgic magic really has the least machinery and hasn't really changed much from the old days, but again it requires belief that many people do not have. Other than that, maybe stuff along the lines of ole' "hedge witch" or traditional witchcraft.

Anyway, don't get bogged down -- it's not necessary to learn everything or kludge all of these methods into your system. You can do ritual or ceremonial w/o bothering with western mysticism or other correspondences you don't understand, etc. _Always_ use only what you understand and vibe with and you'll go extremely far with it. This is one of the areas where your subjective inclination to one or the other is an asset. It's not necessary to be involved in divination if you don't like it, etc. (I personally don't use it at all really...)

General LHP Discussion / Re: Flash images while meditating
« on: February 04, 2020, 04:38:12 pm »
I’ve been meditating and I’ll try to focus on the face that I see, when I do that I get a whole series of other things of people doing stuff. Sometimes they’ll repeat. Anyways... can any one explain?

Ave Satanas

Completely normal if you're succeeding in your practices.

But, I'll give my standard advice here -- if you care for it...

Try not to pay attention to them too much...

Each time you do you kinda turn the normal waking consciousness on to process and when that happens you snap out of deepening the state. Sort of make a habit of processing it after you are finished -- try not to analyze, but simply accept/listen to the information.

I know it's a bit like trying to drink from the fire hose, but you'll adapt. :D

I've seen everything from old ladies, to demons, and God's. The realms of the "underworld" and so on... If I want to see it these days I'm about 2-3 minutes away... :D

As you go forward some of your abilities stay always on... what that'll mean will be different as we all have different sets of natural gifts.

Music / Re: Anyone know about customizing an electric bass (or guitar)?
« on: November 17, 2019, 07:56:33 am »
My uncle in law does wrapping, like on RVs and cop cars and such. Gonna ask him about that. Will have to learn to do pickups either way, do I just snip the wires them solder it together again after?

New pickups just have push to fit connections. (Like EMG)

But, you'd be throwing $150+ in pickups in what is probably a $300 bass. Probably kinda silly.

If you save up a bit of money for a better foundation it's worth modding it, but I really wouldn't bother unless the pickups just aren't working.

You could spend that additional money on a really good one and do virtually no work.

Announcements / Re: Daylight Savings Time
« on: November 03, 2019, 03:30:42 pm »
The forum does not automatically adjust for DST. If the timestamps are showing up wrong, please go to your profile, then "look & layout". Usually clicking the "auto detect" link will fix it, if not the number can be adjusted in the field. Thank you.

Yeah, I noticed that all the times in the forum were GMT. :D

Do you highlight and mark in your occult texts or keep them pristine?

I don't write on anything, but must confess I'm not reading anything for academic purposes where I need to cross-reference them and am just reading for enjoyment.

The problem with spending 30+ years of your life reading occult and lhp texts is you rarely find reason to purchase another one.

Lounge / Re: How to tell friend/roommate to keep his GF out of my house
« on: October 15, 2019, 08:23:52 pm »
So my wife and I own a house and allowed my close friend to move in when he left his wife (hindsight is 20/20). Definitely wasn't expecting him to have a girlfriend since this was literally weeks ago, and definitely not that I'd hate her. She's way too comfortable here for someone we literally don't know, she's obnoxiously loud and a crazy burnt out raver girl, completely disrespectful of our hours and such, and facts aside, she literally makes my skin crawl.

I get that he's paying, but it's our house and we are literally charging him jack shit to live here comparatively. like $600 on $1,000+. Couldn't care less if I offend the girlfriend, maybe better if I did so she doesn't want to come around ;). But what in the world do I say to my buddy?

She seems like she is just the type that has no filter but not necessarily the type that is a problem. Anyway, if the problem is she's loud at the wrong times have a direct talk to her about it and don't even involved with the buddy. If she gets pissed at you for being asked to settle down then at least you didn't piss off the buddy who is actually your friend, lol. Anyway, it at least gives you the chance to see whether she respects you or not and then you know what to do from there. Do that face to face, btw, and do it when something happens not like days later.

I'd just take her aside so I don't embarrass her in front of her man and go from there. That's why I don't recommend you speak to the buddy to have her dealt with. Then, it's between her and you and probably some respect will be gained since you respected her to some extent.

I certainly wouldn't antagonize the girl as the buddy will eventually see that as a personal affront to him at some point. Anyway, you need the problem solved and this will do it one way or another... If she decides not to cooperate then you can just ban her from your house at certain times and don't seem like a dick to the buddy.

Whenever I've let a friend crash at my place they knew my #1 rule -- if it's 1hr before my or my wife's sleepy time there is no company even if that company has a pair of tits. Just the late night door opening will keep me up. If she's going straight to his bed with him I don't give a fuck as long as the house is quiet when I'm crashing, and she's crashing then too, etc. No one goes in or out, not even the buddy, during the sleeping hours, etc...

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