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General LHP Discussion / Re: Thou Art Darkest
« on: January 15, 2019, 05:45:11 am »
Well I don't try to make comments about people in wheel chairs... ect

so uh ya the symbolism and stuff.

Meh, if you exist... I already told that joke...


Limits are boring...

General LHP Discussion / Re: Thou Art Darkest
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:29:12 pm »
Of course I don't know what to expect in a society that enables those who are 100, 200 pounds overweight. I'm not saying to bully them or anything, but at some point it's just too much. This isn't like ancient China or some poverty stricken region where fattness meant financial security. On the contrary poverty increases your likelihood of becoming obese in developed countries.

People often mistake "concern" for "fat shaming", people that don't know you when they see something obviously wrong may make a comment about the first thing they see. If you're a land whale, that's what they see. But, truthfully, most of them just think something is wrong and the person needs help. It's not all bad... :D But, they're probably right -- if you hear a lot of comments about your weight, then your weight is a problem take it as a cue to do something about it. If you don't hear that from other people then it's in your head, and a different problem, lol.

Anyway, with that being said I am against all ideas of normalizing obesity -- I am aware there are medical conditions that cause it, but the primary cause is poor diet -- it's repairable. Simple diligence to the matter, in most cases, can resolve it. And, continuing on in that hefty fashion isn't good for anyone -- physically or mentally.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Thou Art Darkest
« on: January 11, 2019, 06:56:08 pm »
The hate against "big girls" is a conspiracy by scrawny women who know they would lose their man after one minute with a goddess :)

Eh, been married for a long time. :D

Anyway, weight shifts up and down with age if this is a sticker you'll never find a keeper. Women gain weight and lose weight just like anyone else, and certainly put on a lot during child birth no matter what. Though, admittedly, I dig 'em healthy weight, not uber thin. If I feel like I'm going to break 'em far too skinny, not interested. Drastically over-weight, and all I see is medical bills. :D

Mercur├Žn Luciferianism / Re: On Man's Carnality and its Deception
« on: January 07, 2019, 06:58:48 am »
I agree with all but one thing. Time is actually part of the subjective universe, it is a perception. Specifically it is the perception of things occuring in 3-Dimensional space. That times exists for us shows that we are, at least to some extent, separate from the 3D-reality / OU.

I agree with your comment, but you mean 4 Dimensional Space. :D

Anyway, there is no way to separate our perceptions from "reality", in essence the entire puzzle of philosophy and science in general.

But, I was thinking along these lines and realized that we really have no way to ascertain that other creatures even experience time as we do -- or that even other humans experience it the same way we do. Obviously, you can take this notion to some infinite space of confusion, but it remains perplexing to say the least. Our biology portents to some base level agreement on these matters of dimension, time, and form, but all we may be agreeing with is the consistency of our own anecdotal experiences in the end. :D

And, even if monkhood is technically a step "outside of Chaos", it's not without merit -- how but by exiting something can one truly examine that thing from all sides?

I guess I'd only find its merit if it appealed to one's individual nature. My nature would see all of this as dull, rote, uninspired, and pedantic. :D

In essence, while I might admit to value of any of the techniques espoused individually I just find this is just a manifestation of mage-itis. It takes something really simple and exceedingly complicates it, but further obscures the value in "if you haven't done it you don't know" kind of presentation.

Why not carry a firearm instead of a staff? It's far more symbolic of chaos. :D

Why not dedicate eating cheeseburgers and defecating to gnosis as well? :D

Sorry, I feel jokey today, but it seems it just illustrates my point. It's arbitrary actions that probably have no value, because those that do pay off immediately. :D However, I do find value in that if it's agreeable to your nature such "submission" might be a pay off, but you'd receive the same pay if you did something far less hokey and customized to your needs.

Anyway, such a comprehensive set of observances just doesn't fit in with a modern life. Got a wife? Kids? Whatever, you certainly have something going on... Who has the time? So, it's just some weird occult dick waving which no one, not even Carroll is likely to partake in. If he does, he's got a far less committal life than I do, power to him, lol, but I doubt it.

Peter J Carroll's kind of a self proclaimed nerd, especially in his latter writings so there's some nerdy influence from him. Mainly just the moorcock and discworld stuff in his early career.

As much as some of this is a interesting, I find it peculiar in that it seems so regimented. If there is anything I love about the Chaote paradigm it's dynamism. :D

If anything, a regime sounds like something antithetical to the purpose of embracing the methodology. Call me confused. :D

General LHP Discussion / Re: Excuse me, what the fuck
« on: December 21, 2018, 09:18:35 pm »
Sitting around enjoying PlayStation all day won't produce the results that getting out there in the real world will. Better have a thick skin and cat's eyes if you're really ever going to survive the Forest of Darkness in search of true freedom.

It's really hard to judge this outside of what I'd call, "a master's head space". They may be doing things that the world at large finds lazy, useless, or whatever. However, they know why it must be done and what need is being fulfilled. So, they know why they play the video game -- but, it's certainly more than vegging out or killing time.

Likewise, success in the real world means less than nothing to them unless it is fundamental to their nature to do so. They're not in competition with anyone at all. If they appear to toil or seek success it is only because it is a necessary component of their being, not because they obtain some joy from conquering their foes or obtain a fat pile of cash. They aren't doing things to be 'recognized', either. All of those things taken at the base level would be ego traps for the mundane folks. They'd think they're hot shit at that point, but really nothing for them has progressed -- they just just have more money or fame, etc.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Excuse me, what the fuck
« on: December 21, 2018, 08:54:05 pm »
I'm not a Satanist however I know enough who are. That said, Satanism is about the carnality of us, the 'human' aspect of us. On top of this, there is a drive towards various forms of apotheosis. Becoming a god (for lack of depth) has much to do with seeking out things in life which not only are desirable and enjoyable but also beneficial to one's physical and mental existence.

Personally, I think Satanism is about a lot more than carnality. There is a lot of focus on that, but honestly it's just a worthless distraction and sort of a do-nothing proposition in the first place. I mean, we are by nature carnal -- it takes zero effort at all. :D

At the nature of apotheosis, I diverge, as it is much more important to realize you are of divine than thinking you must become it. It's sort of like going on a journey of self-discovery and then finding out it was all right here, where you stand. In that context, obsession with carnal desires often becomes a distraction by filling holes in the personality and covering up flaws. In many ways, it's nothing more than a way to procrastinate away from the difficulties accepting this information. Often, I find with people pursuing "apotheosis" is that they find some comfortable stopping point like working some rituals successfully and think that means anything. They really just stoke their egos by brandishing their wizard-peen and miss the whole point of the exercise. I still think there is a point to such things, aka convincing yourself that there is a lot more to the universe than your brain box -- but, it's not the end game. Because you've found a few of the master's tools and learned to use them doesn't mean you became the master. Well, not yet, anyway. :D

Of course, no real amount of explanation is going to expose that truth. We've all got our little fortress of distractions and delusions. It's rather easy to communicate the concepts, but until you know it's just someone's forum post, ideas, or whatever. The individual, as a container of 'I', is complex, but this realization is the ultimate goal of all spiritual paths, Satanism included. Satanism just takes the tack off opposition/carnality initially, but if it doesn't grow past that for an individual there is no development beyond that.

Satanism / Re: "Satanism" cheat sheet
« on: December 20, 2018, 01:27:14 am »
Pretty sure "spiritual satanism" is just a softer word for theistic but not necessarily as in like a literal god. Venus Satanas has spoken of Satan as something quasi force like in her one book, and she has been using the term "spiritual Satanist" for a very long time now, at least a decade.

It doesn't both me how someone wants to rationalize the existence of Satan, but in some ways I feel silly calling it a "spiritual" path as it lacks most of what is implied by the term. It's very much an oxymoron of sorts. I could sit with the fact that there is a religious Satanism, but it's much in the way of something of an eastern bent, not really a "believe us" just a believe yourself. :D

Entertainment / Re: Memes
« on: December 20, 2018, 01:14:50 am »
Made me chuckle today... :D

Idk, what are you thoughts? Why do people need to tell themselves they're the "one true X"? Is it a lack of something deeper? Is it just ego? Is it literally just pathetic ape behavior?

Understand that half the population is below average IQ, and half of that is borderline retarded, and that half of them are ACTUALLY retarded. It's that ape-like behavior you're on to.

The condition of intelligence brings awareness of what you don't know, and it also brings the awareness of other lines of thought than your own. I'd not reduce it to an ego thing per Se, but realize it for it was -- demonstrated ignorance. Such intelligence also brings a healthy amount of self-doubt, enough to keep one honest. The zeal, for which most of this thread is about, is largely a side-effect of stupidity. :D

Satanism / Re: "Satanism" cheat sheet
« on: December 02, 2018, 08:21:58 pm »
Where THE FLIP is my spiritual satanism?!?! We all know that Satan is actually AN ALIEN!


And, I have no idea what spiritual Satanism is other than an attempt to dissociate from people like Joy of Satan. However, I feel no need to differentiate from someone that I don't even feel is practicing Satanism, but is merely pimping it to sell their Nazi ideology to someone or something.

I only recognize three basic forms of Satanism, the Devil being in the details. Atheistic, theistic, and agnostic (and yeah those last people are out there). Beyond that you're arguing simply about implementation and interpretation -- generally, futile topics on the level of food preferences.

The subject is more complicated than that of course as some groups inject neo-paganism, collectivism, materialism, and other ideologies in the mix. But, I guess you have to start somewhere.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Rituals
« on: December 02, 2018, 10:01:51 am »
So, what kind of rituals do you guys do? Anything from small meditating rituals to... i don't know, burning churches?

Probably none, in the conventional sense.

First, I find them unnecessary, theatrical, or even trope-ish. Second, there are quicker ways to do everything.

I've always operated on the theory that if you couldn't perform a magickal act in front of someone without them knowing it was too damn complicated. :D

Needless to say, this "method" isn't something I invented but rather was inspired by authors like Franz Bardon and a few others. I just put my own spin on it...

Burning churches = tropes, lol.

Meditation has value, but once you can "get there" instantly it's not necessary to sit there repeatedly gazing at one's navel -- it happens like walking.

About as close as I get to normal ritual would be some sort of prayer or devotion type thing.

General LHP Discussion / Re: My thoughts on the Order of the Serpent
« on: November 24, 2018, 04:00:29 pm »
I'm as guilty as anyone on pisstaking CoS types, but when it becomes a trope it really is just borderline bigotry.

Just to be very clear, I was speaking at the organizational level / forum level only in my comments. There are always interesting individuals whom have a great deal of breadth beyond the organizations they've affiliated with -- case in point, when I considered myself a LaVey Satanist I was balls-deep in occult studies. My impression was that my compatriots at the time rather detested it when I had those discussions -- their involvement with the occult was only in in the vein of something like Elvira. :D But, I was certainly not the only one.

In this example, I was talking at the "marketing level" of these groups which I thought was far more relevant to this discussion. It certainly _was not_ an attempt to be overly critical. Though, I do have plenty to criticize -- it's just how my brain works. :D

General LHP Discussion / Re: My thoughts on the Order of the Serpent
« on: November 23, 2018, 03:21:34 pm »
I think you kinda missed my point, which is that the general reputation of a place of what it is about will determine what kind of people we attract. We seem to have a very weak influx of people, although so far it's stable... for now.

You can kinda have it like this:


            /          \

 Academic ---   Useful

Pick any two, because if you chose the popularity you must give something away in terms of depth or utility.  If you chose to be academic over something else your content is too dense for the masses, and if your focus too highly on "utility" content only appeals to the basic level of immediate needs and the scope of the advanced content is too difficult for the newbie.

In my opinion, it really doesn't matter if you are liked or loathed you are known. Even the haters are free advertising, you're living rent free in their minds. Strangely enough, it's something instantly on display with people like Donald Trump. (Not that he has anything else to do with the conversation.)

The popular LHP (CoS Satanism) is basically in the "popular/useful" category, but it isn't particularly useful beyond a very basic start in the left-hand path. Whereas something like O.S. or ToS are in the "academic/useful" or "useful/academic" category most of the time -- they know the depth of the content many times beyond the rookie but forsake that for advancement. So, I guess I should be the one to illustrate that CoS (popular Satanism) isn't the competition, groups like ToS are. Essentially, if they are slightly more popular they are winning the recruits. (Every group has a little bit of all three factors.) The audience for that content is always going to be smaller, but they're also always going to be a lot more loyal.

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