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Isn't it beautiful?

Things will only get better, stay tuned.

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Introductions / Re: Hello - potential new denizen
« on: August 15, 2020, 02:30:47 am »
Welcome! We're glad to have you, and I'm excited to see your take on things :)

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Ya I just noticed that too on the first page, the link goes to a defunct site. IIRC a member who left operated that arm right?

Yes, it has been down for a little while.  Do you need the pdf?

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Introductions / Re: Hey there
« on: August 15, 2020, 02:27:04 am »
I've escaped dad duty long enough to actually read your introduction! It's good to have you.

My experiences started in horrible ways when I was younger, and I had a very...Jung-esk episode of vivid, focused, and occult dreams around 18. At that time I started reading various research on parasomnia as well as "zen mind: beginners mind." Dropped my Christian-esk wiccan practice for two years of heavy eastern study and practice.

It was after that that I began to experiment with psychedelics at 22, first with mushrooms. At 25 I broke through on DMT and returned to a more serious study of ceremonial magic and alchemy,  then satanism. I've studied a lot of different works now,  and what I've figured is that there are no lines. You can be full LHP and only study eastern mysticism, as long as you don't hold moral convictions about identifying as such. The left hand path is freedom, RHP is following strict guidelines to keep what works working. The big difference is that most folks identifying as LHP study both schools without losing about sleep over being evil.

I had tried acid at like.....14? I had a horrible time. Returning to it at 26 was incredible. Dion Fortune defined magic as, "The science and art of causing changes in consciousness to occur in conformity with Will," and I can tell you, nowadays psychedelics make me become magic. Taking this time to categorize and control your thinking pays big,  unbelievable, and exhilarating merits if you return to the psychedelics much later. I read a couple of shamanistic books while researching the lesser work that helped a lot too. If I was to isolate what helped it was meditation, plant alchemy, and a little odinism found in setianism. The confidence and understanding,  the mindfulness,  it eliminates fear. Dmt was like a complete OBE, I felt myself accept death and my soul like squeezed through my nose. It felt like being crushed to the size of a point. I'm not sure if I'd call the sensations on acid that after studying for a few years vs before, it was like a ritual trance state that lasted 13 hours.  Clear,  in control,  perceptive, intuitive,  imaginative, and full of wonder. I'm glad I gave it another go.

Sorry if I rambled, I just find it so interesting that we're on similar paths but in a mixed up order!  It really was good to meet you!


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Introductions / Re: Introductions
« on: July 21, 2020, 06:07:14 am »
Hey, you people can call me 9sync. I’m fairly new to all this stuff and I look forward to learning more and interacting with this community! If you ever want to teach me anything and or talk I would gladly accept.

Welcome, it's good to have you.

Guess you wanted to welcome the new member in the other thread rather than this one who hasn't logged in in half a year?

Oh fuck, What am I doing  :facepalm:

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Introductions / Re: Hey there
« on: July 21, 2020, 06:06:12 am »
It is good to have you!

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Introductions / Re: Introductions
« on: July 18, 2020, 12:52:48 am »
Hey, you people can call me 9sync. I’m fairly new to all this stuff and I look forward to learning more and interacting with this community! If you ever want to teach me anything and or talk I would gladly accept.

Welcome, it's good to have you.

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Current Events / New ptolemaic site uncovered
« on: July 17, 2020, 09:04:04 pm »

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Check your inbox

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Naturalistic Occultism Moving Foreward
« on: June 30, 2020, 01:04:53 am »
After the work is complete, the author suggests submitting material for peer-review. Simplified, find a practice meant to produce measurable phenomena with practical use, do the thing, record EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED AS YOU EXPERIENCED IT free of bias, summary, hypothosis, ect, then use canonical scientific data to form hypothetical conclusions to explain what was recorded.

I personally find this a wonderful proposition. I am personally of the belief that magic works, but the mechanism fails a universal definition. Is it psychological, spiritual, or a combination of the two? I think this peer review concept would do great to minimize personal bias and subjectivity, as long as the reviewer is aware of her own bias as well. Are you planning on conducting a group experiment to test this process you've laid out?

Absolutely,  I'm trying to tie some loose ends with another project first though.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Naturalistic Occultism Moving Foreward
« on: June 26, 2020, 01:55:09 am »
Agreed. I actually think that this ita a necessity. There are a lot of separate disciplines of parapsychology that are inaccessible to your everyday occultist and many that are flat insane. This standardization allows phenomenon to be compared without having to change your practice or vocabulary, just how it's recorded and shared. I can dig the method like I said,  just not the culture.

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Current Events / Re: Crazy Shit of The Day, ONA?
« on: June 25, 2020, 01:59:09 pm »
I almost posted about this last night too!

Fucking O9A, what a toxic meme.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Naturalistic Occultism Moving Foreward
« on: June 25, 2020, 11:37:05 am »
Please excuse the lack of quotations, I'm short on time at the moment.

Liu: The tone set by the author is more anti-capitalistic in relation to the production of marketable metaphysical content. Like publishing a self-help book or selling a 200 dollar course. Its both "Knowledge should be free," and "Seeking wealth inhibits understanding." So far as I can tell he doesn't condemn the consumption of said materials. This is in line with his goal to standardize and formalize spiritual study & theory. I think that formalization is what sets apart the self-identified Illuminist. In essence, he wants the term Illuminist to apply to spirituality and magic as the term scientist applies to naturalism.

His definition of "Materialistic aim" is more classic. He's talking about the pursuit of riches. Money and stuff. I posit that material gain enables greater spiritual development, especially if esoteric practice is employed to 'secure the bag' so to speak.

Beleren: You're correct about Noetic attainment via scientific methodology. As I mentioned, the approach was built around "The methods of science, the aim of religion." The author attempts to build a methodical standardized approach for recording and studying esoteric practice while simultaneously establishing a culture of studious integrity and rigor mirroring that of contemporary science.

The "4-step method of naturalistic occultism" Which I have decided to re-term as the "Illuministic method," because I'm not typing that again goes as follows:


1: Formulation of the practice via Pragmatism

2:Performance of the practice itself

3: Recording the practice via Phenomenology

4:Interpretation and explanation of practice and results via Natrualism

After the work is complete, the author suggests submitting material for peer-review. Simplified, find a practice meant to produce measurable phenomena with practical use, do the thing, record EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED AS YOU EXPERIENCED IT free of bias, summary, hypothosis, ect, then use canonical scientific data to form hypothetical conclusions to explain what was recorded.

Chaos magic is typically defined by whoever is practicing it, and you're right. They're by nature the most difficult practitioners to generalize. I took his attempt to summarize the practice of these individuals and subsequent condemnation of their practice as "materialistic," as a massive cultural over-sight.

All aside, he's right. Standardizing study will develop the field. I just think the culture he's trying to push relies to heavily upon the practitioner re-defining their practice. The culture isn't a big deal, the method is.

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Satanism / Re: anarcho satanism
« on: June 17, 2020, 09:53:37 am »
How would you prevent violent crime or justify cultural and economic progression without a Leviathan? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_(Hobbes_book) The concept of society as given in your previous post implies that Anarchy only benefits those living "beneath society," But it can be argued that without society we'd all just be living under each other with no reasonable authority to regulate crime and commerce.

In fact if you buy into the idea that reduction in violence directly correlates to developmental potential in a state, there is historical evidence that demonstrates a decline in commerce would follow a state collapse, which one could reasonably assume would lead to the end of technological progression and a focus shift towards maintaining individual basic needs, even on a community level. I don't see how anyone's religious development would benefit from that.

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Funny enough that is a myth about the wild west with a few incidents blown up, and gun control was in full force back then there. Actually, the coal wars back east was a lot more violent than the wild west ever was.

I'd contest this fact on the grounds that it contradicts government sourced crime data. In 1860-1865 there are some figures that show 8x more violence in the American Frontier compared to New England and Europe (https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/interdisciplinary/hvd/homicide-rates-american-west) and those elevated homicide rates are still reflected in today's crime statistics with most southern/western states boasting >4 per 100,000 compared to <2 per 100,000 on the east coast (Excluding NY at 2.9). Angels of our better nature: Why violence has declined by Steven Pinker is a good read if you find these statistics interesting/informative, Although I didn't use the book to source this post.

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General LHP Discussion / Naturalistic Occultism Moving Foreward
« on: June 17, 2020, 07:42:49 am »
Hello All,

  I wanted to send out some feelers and see if any of you use the Methods of Scientific Illuminism in your practice. I'm still pretty early in IAO131's book but the Society of Scientific Illuminism's website is inactive, and there is a spattering of New-age looking search results when you search them. I wonder how imbedded these practices are in LHP disciplines, and I especially wonder about Chaotes. The author contrasted his methods against those of three categories of esoteric traditions (which he states are over-simplifications provided to elucidate his point) to include New Age, Hermeticism, and Chaos Magick.

  Chaotes were stated to be pragmatic but overly materialistic, and IAO131 thinks this materialistic focus prevents individual spiritual goal. I would argue that not all practitioners are the same, and that even if materialistic acquisition is the goal, the means of attaining that goal lead to personal development, and the increased availability of metaphysical tool.

 He also holds a deep aversion for charlatans and promoters of spiritual consumerism (Self-help books, homeopathy, expensive and dogmatic metaphysical book courses, ect) and it reflects in his disdain for materialistic pursuits, implying that most practitioners focusing on material goals are unable to see past "Attainment," and are more likely to succumb to desires that distract from personal development. His solution is to insert an anti-money making axiom into his definition of Scientific Illuminist. I see this action as highly hypocritical considering I had to buy his book to read that. Anyway, he says,


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As Scientific Illuminists, we are wary of commodifying our purposes and methods. Capitalism is so embedded in all of our brains by virtue of the fact of our having been brought up in modern society that the desire to turn a profit from what we are doing is a continual threat.

Which would be fine on its own. Be wary of your own greed. I get that. But then he goes on to say,

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We must always reorient ourselves in the direction of progress, both internally (What is often ambiguously called "spiritual progress") and externally (the progress of our theories & methods of occultism as well as the growth of our community). Even if we do turn our attention to the effecting of material ends it must be done in the spirit of exploration and the pursuit of understanding rather than the material ends in and of themselves.


Sounds very solar and selfless IMO. What do you think? And what are your thoughts on Illuminism?



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