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Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« on: September 06, 2020, 08:28:50 pm »
This is the fundamental flaw with the (western) left hand path people, the lack of a definitive outline as to what IS the (western) left hand path. The 'label' has become whatever you 'need' it to be and doesn't stand on its own, which is antithetical to the actual (western) LHP philosophy.

This is the very definition of the left hand path, AKA, it's what _you_ fundamentally need, but not what anyone else needs. I have no idea what the 'actual' philosophy would be a reference to, but according to my understanding we have a few ideas on LHP that we can compare and contrast.

We could pick a spiritual frame of reference and simply limit the concept to that which is 'orthodox' is 'white/right' and what is heterodox is 'black/left'. (Generally, I feel that is too simple, personally.) The distinction here is on the practices and not the individuals partaking in them. This is generally the most accepted set of definitions.

To contrast, we could take another approach and go to motive and action. The right being benevolent in nature, order-affirming, and mindful of the needs of others. In this definition, we could say the left is sinister, malicious, selfish, and the individual thinks only of themselves. Essentially, using this criteria establishes that acts not the beliefs and practices determine the 'path' one travels. Modern occultists love this one because they get to play with 'magick' and still keep most of the belief system from the first case.

But, another definition, the one I'd prefer, is based on the ideas of Peter Carroll is in reference to the end goal of either methodology being fundamentally the same. That's to say that the right is trying to achieve godliness (spiritual progress) through purity and obedience, where the left hand path is attempting to free oneself of the delusions which obscure the goal. The ultimate destination, illumination, is the goal in both cases. Not too many people hold this view -- I'm the only one I know personally.

The reason for the apparent debate here is that people haphazardly attempt to combine these ideas without any discrimination or realization of the fact that they haven't much to do with one another. This is what causes the perceived 'muddle' of the definition of the left-hand path, but there is actually no muddle just three completely different schools of thought supporting various arguments. Thus, if Lon Milo Duquette or ONA talk about the LHP they both speak in the context of the #2 case, but for very different reasons... Lon will speak of the fact that it's intent that matters and his actions are for good intents, and ONA speaks in terms of their 'sinister action' is what makes them left, etc. It's readily apparent how this can be an extremely confusing subject, lol.

Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« on: September 06, 2020, 08:11:23 pm »
He also says a couple stuff that could be taken the wrong way. And I wouldn't agree that Satanism is only for "alphas", which might also be something I took the wrong way. But overall seems like quite a decent guy. I remember watching some other, shorter interview by him a few years back getting a different impression, so either he changed or that one didn't bring his point across well.

Fundamentally, it sort of is. But, I say that with a caveat that if we look at the core of Satanic philosophy (say Nietzsche, Rand, Redbeard, etc.) it's more of the alpha that comes with the methodology of being true to one's fundamental nature and making no excuses. It's not the alpha associated with being a 'Chad' and so on. In that comment, I'm not trying to repackage it to be more acceptable just elucidating it a bit in the vein of pointing out the forest for the trees.

Re: His viewpoints, admittedly there is a bit of flux here and there in the last few years, but that happens to us all. It depends on what you will admit to yourself or whatever on that subject, but nothing prevents the change. We can choose to ignore it, but it still happens. It's not different in his case -- all ideas get expanded upon, resized, and adapted to one's own needs.

Entertainment / Re: 2 Hour interview with a well known public Satanist
« on: August 23, 2020, 12:51:01 pm »
This is a 2 hour interview with a successful Satanist/businessman/musician and former vocalist of Vital Remains. This is pretty political, while I personally find politics including political ideologies to be a waste of time, their are some solid points that are pointed out and that can be personally agreed on.

Friend of mine, but yeah he's a great dude... in regard to all aspects...

If more people like him were walking around the world would be better place.

He's alright though despite all that and has a lot of other businesses. He's mostly working on MMA atm.

Current Events / Re: Crazy Shit of The Day, ONA?
« on: June 27, 2020, 04:50:31 am »
It's ANGLES not Angels . . . since when is illiteracy a prerequisite to be a news anchor?

Yeah, I know, but I also understand they don't really care, lol.

Current Events / Crazy Shit of The Day, ONA?
« on: June 23, 2020, 07:35:22 am »
Something crazy to watch, lol.

Satanism / Re: anarcho satanism
« on: June 14, 2020, 01:19:03 am »
I think what my last point here is, is that as a kind of anti-thesis to Christianity, Satanism does a very poor job of uncritically accepting all the modern trappings of a state without considering what elements of it might of been historically formed or influenced by Christian thought, beyond some degree of desire for more draconian measures for certain offenders (which is in itself more Christian than people realize, given it's history).

The government was formed because while it's freer to not have it maintaining infrastructure on your own consumes a significant part of your day. That means you lose wealth doing those things for yourself in most cases. It's why ideas like removing the police are nonsensical -- we had that... Everyone would have to swap off with their family members and sit on their porch with a shotgun to make sure they didn't get robbed. That was the old west and people gave that up because it was a pain in the ass.

So, basically governments are a product of wealth (and actually necessary to have it to some extent) and taxes are just a fee we pay for the convenience of not having to take care of all of the bullshit we aren't really interested in doing. You're going to gain this benefit even as a Satanist so I'm not sure where the argument lies.

Anacho-capitalism's idea of law enforcement is basically hiring security guards, for example, and the same with things like fire protection. If you don't pay, forgot to, or they just believe you didn't get fucked. With no central authority, there is really nothing stopping them from becoming one big extortion racket. They can cooperate together to raise prices and you really can't do much about it. There also is no one that would be empowered to break up monopolies and so on. Ultimately, it's this sort of issue that causes not to work.

Historically, ancient Ireland operated this way in that it was basically a bunch of anarcho-capitalist communities lead by an agreed-upon king. It all worked really well until they were faced with challenges that were beyond the ability of a single tribe to deal with and the end result, of course, is that they were conquered and subjugated by societies that didn't have this issue.

So, we are where we are because civilization evolved with its people.

Satanism / Re: anarcho satanism
« on: May 31, 2020, 10:48:13 pm »
Actually, that set me down a web hole of reading up on how "anarchist communities" actually govern themselves (because they do), which allows me to summarize:

The closest stable state to anarchy is governance through group consensus.

But government by consensus is still government.

To be ruled by oneself is still to be ruled.

This strongly suggests to me that absolute anarchy on all levels may be incompatible with personal development as a Satanist.

However, many stable states adjacent to anarchy can be just fine for it.

I just look at the idea as a waste of time, but that's because of historical feedback.

There were plenty of "communes" many of them being "anarchistic communes" that existed all the way from the 60s to the 80s and all of them imploded. It's because in ability, personality, and a host of other factors no one is truly equal. This means someone always ends up taking over the group and then the rest of the group gets mad because that person has power and then bam they all go their separate ways, lol. So, essentially, it's a commune until it's not and then it reverts to capitalism proper so why bother with stage one and waste your time and just stay where you already were. After those communes closed they didn't reopen...

Lounge / Re: What are you doing right now?
« on: May 24, 2020, 12:14:04 am »
Quote from: Mindmaster
My theory is simply that the Karen's want to wear masks because they feel ugly and get to hide their faces all day.  :mrgreen:

That's actually the reason why many Asian women wear masks that often, already before Covid. At least according to a female Asian colleague of mine.

I'm fine with them wearing it if they want to... I just don't like people being forced to do anything unless someone calls a vote. :D

Lounge / Re: What are you doing right now?
« on: May 20, 2020, 05:26:10 pm »
How have you all been??? It's been ages since I've been on here and thought I'd change that.

The pandemic, what a crazy thing. What are your views on masks? I don't mind wearing mine, in a way, I find it mysterious.  :rolleyes:

I don't buy the hype, but that's because I'm a numbers guy. My numbers say this is less severe than a typical flu, no doubt someone disagrees, but can it. Being one of the oldest folks on here I am not even old enough to worry about it, and you kids certainly have less to worry about than I do. (I'm just picking on you all a bit... youth is rarely appreciated and this is certainly a time where it is valuable.  ;))

Mask use isn't optional where I live, so you have wear one in public with no choice. Not that you can buy one at the store or anything, lol. People are just scrapping together whatever they can use to cover their face and that's got nothing to do with medicine or prevention... So, as usual, I'll reject the act because it's nonsense.

My theory is simply that the Karen's want to wear masks because they feel ugly and get to hide their faces all day.  :mrgreen:

General LHP Discussion / Suddenly, I like the lock down!
« on: May 14, 2020, 06:54:04 am »
"Vatican economy minister expects 25-45% drop in income."

Can't happen to a nicer group of people!

Lounge / Re: how yall doing the last year?
« on: May 11, 2020, 06:21:27 am »
Ya I guess I thought it would mean it would get a bump in activity lol

As far as my income it's been overall busier than I would of expected but they keep trying to cut hours but then they keep asking me to come back in or stay extra. Between a $2 pay differential and them occasionally asking to stay past my 8th hour into overtime, my average monthly income has roughly held the same. I suspect in June when the pay differential ends I might see a big drop in my income until the week of the 4th of July.

I hate my job. (looking for a better one after the pandemic I think)

All jobs suck, but there is only one criteria I use to determine if I keep them which might help you. :D

If your relationship is good with the management then stay... If not you will get fired anyway for some bullshit reason so you might as well be looking for work before that happens. :D

Lounge / Re: how yall doing the last year?
« on: May 10, 2020, 08:43:11 am »
So ya, just checking in. And if anyone has any ideas how we can liven things up in here, I'm all for doing to see this community flourish :)

Nothing really going on with the exception of watching "Rome" burn. My income hasn't been affected, so it's mostly boredom...

I've just been taking the time to study more programming and whatever which is entirely too boring to discuss on a forum such as this, but I figure while I have the spare time it's a good time, etc. Other than that my casual reading has been about the art of negotiation and making sales... Some people might see that as work and more work, but to me one is work and one is for fun. :D

I put my book project on hold despite having a rather solid draft and very many chapters composed... I didn't like the tone I wrote them in, and it felt I was spending more time patching the holes than it would take to just rewrite the material with a more suitable candor. However, my scheduling for that has always been "when it's ready" much to my wife's chagrin. If it doesn't reach the level of "magnus opus" quality I expect of myself it might not see the light of day. It's really do or die for me... My aversion to sub-par work knows no limits.

I'm sure the quietude of the forum is directly related to the covid situation and once people get their houses in order they'll be back. :D

General LHP Discussion / Re: Pretenders of the LHP Throne
« on: May 09, 2020, 10:05:33 pm »
Like religion, affiliating with the (proper) esoteric organization should enable one a sense of community AND a comfort. Community is obvious, comfort in the sense that other more experienced members may be able to provide affirmation and guidance in the affiliate's Work. In other words, the affiliate need not necessarily re-invent the Cosmic-Wheel, unless of course doing so enables some kind of gnosis.

Personally, I have no need for comfort, and I'm perfectly fine with "reinventing the wheel" especially considering that there are plenty of published blueprints that one can get a head start from already. But, each to their own... It doesn't matter how you get there just as long as you do. Admittedly, that's not easy but that never bothered me as I find the politics involved in most groups rather draining and demanding of my time. Time I could have spent at the task... :D

General LHP Discussion / Re: Pretenders of the LHP Throne
« on: May 08, 2020, 02:35:30 am »
(note, I was inspired to create this article/thread from seeing Etu Malkus facebook post on snake oil salesman in the occult community)

I've ran into a lot of this as well that's why I refused to every join with anything. It's not necessary in my view anyway -- My practice is between me and Satan and no one else matters in the equation. I think any real LHPer realizes that the path is so personal that there is really nothing to be gained from a group other than a sense of community. But, I'm naturally sort of a lone wolf and that's never been a problem.

Anyway, if someone ever asks me for help I usually give it and don't expect a thing in return. That's my way of serving the aims the LHP and it's the only pure motive.

Introductions / Re: Como Emagrecer De Vez
« on: May 08, 2020, 02:27:39 am »
I may have found the paper on that:

I lost 100 pounds without extra bottles of water. I figured if you aren't starving a bit, you won't be losing much weight. The human body figures it out after a few days, and hunger dissipates once the fat-burning process is in effect. At least that was my experience.

Lost 80 pounds did nothing but double my meat consumption and removed unnatural carbs. LCHF eating, that's it. I actually eat more food than I use to, lol.

But, this guy is just a bot.

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