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General LHP Discussion / Re: Joseph Campbell anyone?
« on: August 01, 2020, 06:24:05 am »
Yes.  You can listen to many of Joseph Campbell's lectures on Spotify.

I've got his recommended reading list for his course on comparative mythology somewhere if anyone is interested.
Joseph Campbell's Reading List for his Comparative Mythology Class at Sarah Lawrence College:

Ovid's Metamorphoses
Homer's Odyssey
Frazer, Sir James George  The Golden Bough
Durkheim, Emile. The Elementary Forms of Religious Life
Levy-Bruhl, Lucien.  How Natives Think
Freud, Sigmond:

    The Interpretation of Dreams
    Three contributions to the Theory of Sex
    Totem and Taboo
    Moses and Monotheism

Jung, Carl Gustav:

    The Integration of Personality
    The Secret of the Golden Flower: A Chinese Book of Life (Translated and explained by Richard Wilhelm, with a forward and commentary by Jung)
    The Tibetan Book of the Dead (Forward by Jung)

Coomaraswammy, Ananda.  The Dance of Siva
The Bhagavad Gita
Okakuru Kazuko. The Book of Tea
Watts, Alan. The Way of Zen
Herrigel, Eugen. Zen in the Art of Archery
Lao-Tze. Tao Te Ching
Sun-Tzu. The Art of War
Confucius.

    Analects
    The Great Digest and Unwobbling Pivot

Chiera, Edward.  They Wrote in Clay: The Babylonian Tablets Speak Today
Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm. The Birth of Tragedy
Bible, New Testament:  Book of Luke
Aeschylus.  Prometheus Bound
Euripides.

    Hyppolytus
    Alcestis

Sophocles. Oediups Tyrannus
Plato.

    Phaedrus
    Symposium

The Koran
The Portable Arabian Nights
Beowulf
Prose Edda of Snorri Sturluson
Poetic Edda
The Mabinogion
Grimm, Jacob and Wilhelm. Grimm's Fairy Tails
Adams, Henry. Mont Saint Michel and Chartres
Boas, Franz. Race, Language, and Culture
Mann, Thomas. "Tonio Kroger"
Thompson, Stith. Tales of the North American Indians
Opler, Morris Edward. Myths and Tales of the Jicarilla Apache Indians
Benedict, Ruth. Patterns of Culture
Stimson, John E. Legends of Maui and Tahaki
Melville, Herman Typee: The Library of America
Frobenius, Leo, and Douglas C Fox.  African Genesis
Radin, Paul.  African Folktales and Sculpture
Deren, Maya.  Divine Horsemen

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Joseph Campbell anyone?
« on: July 30, 2020, 03:49:49 pm »
Yes.  You can listen to many of Joseph Campbell's lectures on Spotify.

I've got his recommended reading list for his course on comparative mythology somewhere if anyone is interested.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: explaining your system to new people
« on: July 30, 2020, 01:00:27 am »
I just say I'm a Buddhist.

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Lounge / Re: LHP chat on Discord (updated 06/2020)
« on: June 29, 2020, 07:11:33 am »
The OS discord has been dead for ages, i put a link to my own as well though.


If you like D&D and got Thursday 5PM-8PM Pacific time off, feel free to check out what our campaign is like... I already got a member on this forum there, but our party is kind of small (3 people, down from 4) so we could use a member or two more.
The three ladies in our D&D party are kicking ass.  It's a shame that all of the male characters are NPC's. Come join us. :)

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Re: Your Initiation Event
« on: March 20, 2020, 07:29:39 pm »
I really can't think of a single initiation event for me--even my earliest childhood memories (from when I was younger than 2 years old) seem to be related to this journey I've been on.  (Maybe I was just born this way?)

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General LHP Discussion / Re: baphomet pronounciation
« on: March 13, 2020, 01:54:19 pm »
On a somewhat related note:  Happy Friday the 13th! ;)

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General LHP Discussion / Re: baphomet pronounciation
« on: March 13, 2020, 01:44:24 pm »
Well, what is the correct pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton?  How many people actually pronounce Thoth as Tōt?  Is it more important to pronounce something so it conveys understanding or is "correct" pronunciation that conveys confusion to those who might be overhearing more effective?

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Is the RHP a myth?
« on: February 29, 2020, 11:40:06 am »
I'm interested to read your sutta references, crossfire.

This is just a quick refution of what was posted in the OP.  I can go deeper if requested.
First of all, Buddha's definition of "The All"
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn35/sn35.023.than.html

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"Monks, I will teach you the All. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."

"As you say, lord," the monks responded.

The Blessed One said, "What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. [1] Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range."
So basically, any description of The All is limited by the contents of subjective minds.

Regarding rebirth and no-rebirth:  https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an10/an10.065.niza.html

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At one time, the Venerable Sāriputta was dwelling near the small village of Nālaka in Magadha. And then, there where Venerable Sāriputta was, there Sāmaṇḍakāni, the wanderer, approached. Having approached, he exchanged greetings with the Venerable Sāriputta. Having exchanged greetings, and courteous talk having passed between them, he sat to one side. Having sat to one side, Sāmaṇḍakāni, the wanderer, said this to Venerable Sāriputta:

"Now, what, friend Sāriputta, is the pleasant, and what is the painful?"

"Rebirth, friend, is painful; non-rebirth is pleasant. When, friend, there is rebirth, this pain is to be expected: cold and heat, hunger and thirst, excrement and urine, contact with fire, contact with punishment, contact with weapons, and anger caused by meeting and associating with relatives and friends. When, friend, there is rebirth, this pain is to be expected.

"When, friend, there is no rebirth, this pleasantness is to be expected: neither cold nor heat, neither hunger nor thirst, neither excrement nor urine, neither contact with fire, nor contact with punishment, nor contact with weapons, and no anger caused by meeting and associating with relatives and friends. When, friend, there is no rebirth, this pleasantness is to be expected."
So, Rebirth is associated with the painfulness of "The All," whereas no rebirth is separating from the painfulness of "The All."

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Is the RHP a myth?
« on: February 29, 2020, 04:08:02 am »
There is supposedly a trajectory known as the RHP, which could be summarized as seeking to stop being a singularity and start being a zero so infinity can be experienced and enabled, a state of being I'll call "dissolution into the All."

Every definition I've ever seen has been variously worded but conceptually the same as above. But has anyone ever met someone who actually wanted to dissolve into the All?

There would seem to be two categories for consideration:
1. Religionists
2. Occultists

Religionists
Some Buddhists will claim they want to dissolve into the All (or just dissolve and be nothing) but they reek of self-deceit. What they want is to WANT dissolution. And so they try to prove it by sitting around with empty heads. Still, for all their puffery, Buddhists come the closest to exhibiting the RHP ideal.

That's not Buddhism as taught by the Buddha.  (I can provide sutta references if requested.)  I don't think it describes the Buddhism as embraced by former Priestess of Set Zeena Schreck, either.   

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I'm not really asking what organizations you've been a member of, but please talk about that if you want to, and especially if you think it will add clarity.

I'm more asking a question along these lines:

Have you experimented with Chaos Magick?
yes

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How about atheistic (or I-theistic) Greater Black Magic?
absolutely yes

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Do you play around with manipulating people - oh, sorry, Lesser Black Magic?
I find it neither productive nor entertaining

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Have you seen and acted on the mythological congruity of Lesser Black Magic and the Norse trickster Loki?
no

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Have you ever attempted to bind a demon?
I'm more into resolving problems.  Binding--a form of repression--would be a last resort and would consider it as a failure.

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Have you experimented with serving Satan? (This could be Lucifer, Set, Cthulhu, or whoever holds an interest for you.) BONUS question here: would serving Satan really just be an odd form of Right Hand Path?
Not interested

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Have you ever experimented with lycanthropy? Ever worked in that regard with Loki's wolfish son Fenrir?
Looked into it--not my cup of tea.

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I already know we have some yes answers to this one: Have you experimented with vampirism?
I'm really not into LBM


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Announcements / Re: Project Hephæstus’ Forge by Crossfire
« on: August 06, 2019, 02:36:31 pm »
How does one get angry?  ;)
It would be through dislike.

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Honestly, I hardly ever feel anger - perhaps once a year or so for a few seconds, and for really petty reasons so that there isn't even anything worthwhile to channel it into.
I really don't get angry much either--I like to be in control of my own mind.

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Despite and frustration? Sure. But that doesn't give me adrenaline rushes. If anything it's re-assuring and calming as it makes me feel proud of not having the shortcomings that cause those other people to behave in stupid ways, or relieved about the imperfection of existence reminding me that I don't need to be perfect myself.

Well, my frustration with that linked essay energized me into writing this reply, so it might be working automatically without first making me angry :mrgreen:
Sounds like you have transformed anger so it doesn't overcome your mind.

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And regarding envy and jealousy: Not sure whether I know those feelings.
Envy: In the sense of seeing something and wanting to have it? Sure. In the sense of disliking someone else for having something that I want to have? Nope - can't think of any occasion.
Jealousy: In the sense of noticing that someone else has a better relationship with someone than I have, and feeling bad because of that? Yes, but rather because it attacks my self-confidence, not because I would actually care about having a better relationship with that person than the other person has.
And I don't see what either of these would have to do with anger?
The essay didn't cover these other emotions.  However, the wrathful emotions are useful for clearing obstacles.

You can always write your own essay regarding jealousy and envy. :D

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Announcements / Re: Project Hephæstus’ Forge by Crossfire
« on: August 04, 2019, 01:04:15 am »
I'd hit the like button, but I can't seem to find it! :thumbsup:

Can also be found on the forum in this thread:
http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?topic=898.0

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Setian Philosophy / Re: A Thoth centered Setianism?
« on: June 10, 2019, 08:13:34 pm »
This is something I've played with a lot, and Thoth has always kind of been the right hand of Set for me. Technically in myths he is Set's son almost, or Sets and Horus'. He's the balance between them. It's almost like the two separate dualities creating a unity which we currently find ourselves in.

It's almost like Slavic myth where the Supreme god becomes opposites, but the opposites came first. Likewise all other gods would be tied back to these 3, same as in Slavic culture.
In the Pyramid Texts, Thoth is referred to as "The One-who-separates-the Quarrelers."  (Utterance 257, verse 306)
Thoth is older than Set, as Thoth is the one who gambled with the moon to win 5 days worth of light to add to the year so the goddess Nut could give birth to Osiris, Isis, Horus the Elder, Set, and Nephthys on each of these 5 days, as she was cursed with sterility on all of the 360 days of the year (before Thoth added the 5 days to it.)

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General LHP Discussion / Re: How do you define morality?
« on: May 26, 2019, 02:49:35 am »
Morning Star = Lucifer = lesser self
Thanks for clarifying. That's surprising, I think most LHPers rather equate Lucifer with the higher (=greater?) self.
I hope this makes sense:
1. Lucifer was thrown to the earth (objective reality)
2. Ego is the portion of the psyche associated with the interface with objective reality (ego as the Freudian Reality Principle,) as well as the conscious mind and understanding (light bringer.)
3.  Ego, our conscious mind and interface with objective reality, is only a portion of our psyche--therefore, it is our "lesser self," while both our conscious and unconscious mind is our "greater self."


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