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General LHP Discussion / Re: V.K. Jehannum on Set
« on: October 18, 2018, 03:15:47 pm »
I have a different take on Set and Apep, which parallels the transforming anger article posted here.

Set is anger turning inward to clear out the boiling eddies of the mind (Apep.)  So yeah, in this respect, both will transform and merge within your own individual subjective mind and become something else.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Re: Transforming Anger
« on: October 06, 2018, 09:17:56 am »


That's fair. I personally view liking something's presence as synonymous with disliking its absence, but there are levels of emotional subtlety which that logical definition probably misses.

Desire is magnetizing/drawing-in in its action, whereas anger is repulsive/casting-away in its action.  The casting-away action of anger is what makes it effective in clearing the mind.  Desire would be more useful in holding onto/concentrating on a single-pointed meditation.

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Re: Transforming Anger
« on: October 05, 2018, 06:43:10 pm »
The only real name that I have come across to describe this transformed anger is Great Mirror Wisdom. (If you know of any other names for it, please let me know.) 

How about "motivation"? At the heart of most if not all motivation to take action, there's a dissatisfaction with the status quo which outweighs the subjective benefits of inaction.

The dominant RHP paradigms in which society and language have been stewing for uncounted generations leave a stigma on describing one's emotions as "anger". Thus a less-biased view of "anger" as a family of related emotions, divorced from that stigma, would likely include many if not all of the underlying motives to non-habitual action.

As an example, contrast the habitual action of getting up and going to work every morning, done by rote, against the non-habitual action of applying for a new job, spurred by some dissatisfaction that can almost certainly be traced into anger or indignation of some sort if you dig deeply enough.

"Motivation" might be a bit generic.  For example, one can be motivated by something you like.  You might find motivation via desire, for instance.  Anger is triggered by dislike.

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Current Events / Re: LHP political systems?
« on: October 05, 2018, 03:09:27 pm »
Are there any non-Right Hand Path political systems or parties? Even historically?
Read the Tao Te Ching ;)

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Re: Transforming Anger
« on: October 04, 2018, 10:35:15 pm »
That would certainly be an interesting technique. Forgive me if I sounded dismissive, I'm actually quite curious to know more. Have you had much success with it? I have never been much disposed to feeling anger, so I've had little chance to harness it the way you're speaking of here. I suppose my anger has always been pre-empted by some other mechanism. But that is no matter, we all have different compositions. I've just done a short meditation to find where the capacity for anger lies within myself, and I do sense the red and raw power there. Perhaps it can be made use of more effectively. I shall have to remember to try it the next time I am swarmed by distractions.
I'm really not that disposed to rage myself, either.  I had to trace it down through meditation and identify it as the obstacle buster, and had to compare my own coping mechanisms and compare and contrast them to how others react to the same situation in order to pinpoint, identify, and describe it.

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Re: Transforming Anger
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:44:12 pm »
This is an interesting topic. It seems to me something like what a Sage of Mars might say, if there were any so dedicated.

It is in one sense genius to use the anger to undermine itself. Personally though, I find that anger, if it ever arises, is part of those forces which disturb mind and not those which clear it. This could be changed with practice, but I don't have the reserves of rage to fuel such an experiment.

To my consideration, anger is a mayfly. It is an emotional and physiological force that comes forth with such a clamor that all others are silenced - if only for that brief moment. But a day of reflection, or a minute, or even just a few seconds - clears that force away again. To turn anger into a tool would mean that we must store up that brightly burning and evaporating stuff within our soul, so as to call it forth when we will it. I suspect this process itself could have serious consequences so please do use caution. And if we are to master calling forth our anger, we should also have to raise our capacity for sustaining the emotion, so as to not exhaust all of our new power in one glorious blow against the enemy of the moment. Not all adversaries can be downed so quickly, so we must pace our expenditures wisely so as to not be left cooking dinner over a spent hearth.

If we want to train our internal forces to work for us - should we not start with Anxiety? It is maintained, and increased of itself without end. If we were able to tame it and turn it toward our goals, we should have an inexhaustible source of power.
Anger is for getting around or through obstacles, the main one being a boiling mind.  Anger only needs to arise when your mind is boiling in order to still it.

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Re: Transforming Anger
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:39:24 pm »
Mod note: added paragraph spaces to make OP easier to read.
Thanks!

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Luciferianism / Re: Begining Luciferian
« on: October 04, 2018, 03:17:38 pm »

Welcome, jovinyo!

How do you feel about directing the primal urges inward to achieve self-evolution?  (Example would be directing anger inward toward clearing your boiling mind to achieve clarity of thought, etc?)

I think harnessing anger depends on the individual. Anger can be great motivation to improve oneself, but my only hang-up with that is that anger as fuel isn't sustainable. If something does make you angry, it takes a great deal of self-awareness to question why you're angry instead of lashing out. Can someone use anger to their benefit? Absolutely. Anger with myself and the world is what drove me to get physically fit. As time went on anger as motivation got mentally exhausting and didn't push me to improve myself, rather it drove me into self-destructive behaviors.

Long-winded way of saying it really depends on you. Examine the roots of your anger. If it's something minor-to-moderate, then sure try and harness that negative energy and create a positive outcome with it. But if the source of your anger is something more serious/traumatic and deep-seated, I would recommend getting professional help before you hurt yourself and/or someone else.
Like this:
http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?topic=898.msg7638#new

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Mercuræn Luciferianism / Transforming Anger
« on: October 04, 2018, 04:32:18 am »
Project Hephæstus' Forge: The Left Hand Path, Wrathful Emotions, and Greater Black Magick


Anger doesn't seem to get any respect.  Many people try to avoid or repress the negative emotions like anger, envy, and jealousy, because they can take over your mind and influence you into negative behavior. However, some people get some sort of satisfaction from these emotions, in spite of the negative influence they have on our minds. Repressing these emotions can lead to extreme behavior when they finally do surface, so repression is not a satisfactory option. Satisfying these emotions as they arise makes you a slave to them with only short term satisfaction and often with long term problems that will have to be cleared up. So is there another way of dealing with the wrathful emotions? Indeed, there is. 

One aspect of the Left Hand Path is to examine the more negative aspects of your personality in order to understand them and transform them into something more satisfactory, so let's take a quick look at them to get some understanding, and then apply a bit of reasoning that may lead to a way to transform them.

The wrathful emotions are based upon dislike, and are useful in removing or getting around unsatisfactory obstacles. You can approach obstacles from an intelligent manner and skillfully resolve them, or you can try to use force to smash through them. Anger will give you an adrenaline rush that could be channeled into force, but is there another way to channel this extra energy? Let's examine anger a bit more closely:

When you are angry, the accompanying adrenaline rush not only energizes your body, but it also energizes your mind. Before you became angry, your mind was relatively clear and calm, like a lake or a slow moving stream. However, a myriad of energized emotions screaming for attention can quickly turn the calm waters into a cloudy, boiling rage that is anything but clear. {Blind rage} With an energized body and a clouded mind, it would seem that the option of dealing with obstacles by force would be the only way, as it is difficult to go the intelligent route by examining the obstacle when your mind in such a state. Your clouded state of mind is an obstacle to the intelligent route. {Wait a minute--aren't wrathful emotions useful in removing or getting around obstacles? Indeed they are!} 

Your first obstacle to deal with is your clouded, boiling raging mind. Direct the energy from the adrenaline rush there first, and remove the clouded state of blind rage from your mind first. Then you will be able to think clearly enough to take the intelligent route for the external problem. {You apply Greater Black Magick to yourself, first, and then you turn to the objective universe ;)

Anger is a quick and strong emotion. It can quickly silence the other disturbing emotions within your mind to still the boiling activity impeding your ability to think clearly. Once the mind has been cleared, the rush of energy can then be channeled into mental activity in order to find an intelligent solution to the external problem, instead of resorting to force. You have overcome not just one obstacle, (the external problem,) but two obstacles (counting the obstacle of the clouded mind.) When you realize and appreciate benefits of this, the disturbing emotions will welcome and respect anger, and energy will not need to be expended in silencing these disturbing emotions, as they will be pacified by anger. However, when this point has been reached, anger doesn't seem to resemble what it used to be. It has transformed so much that even the name "anger" doesn't seem to fit anymore.  So, what has this emotion formerly-known-as-anger become? What name would be suitable for this force that can quickly clear the mind, yet super energize it as well? {Wow! It sounds almost magickal, huh?} I have some names for what a thought-pacifying-mind energizing force can be used as a basis for, including:

⦁ Mushin (Zen)
⦁ Samatha (Eastern religions)
⦁ the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Rupa Jhanas (Buddhism)
⦁ Shyine (Tibetan)
⦁ Samadhi (Eastern religions)
⦁ Pure Awareness (Advaita)
⦁ Clearing the Grounds to Alaya (Yogacara)
⦁ The Magickal Trance described in Peter J Carroll's Liber Null (Liber MMM)
⦁ Kensho (Zen) 

The only real name that I have come across to describe this transformed anger is Great Mirror Wisdom. (If you know of any other names for it, please let me know.)  Whatever you may call it, it can be the platform/basis for all of the spiritual practices listed above and more, as well as the more down-to-earth tool for dealing with mundane obstacles in everyday life. So, even if you are not spiritually or magically inclined, it is still worthwhile to apply Hephæstus' Forge to your anger and transform it for the clarity of mind and problem-solving ability it gives in everyday matters, as well as liberation from being enslaved to its more base expression. 
Free your mind!


©  H☿D Herald of The Dawn 2NLE

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Luciferianism / Re: Begining Luciferian
« on: October 04, 2018, 04:25:47 am »
New to the forum, not new to LHP. I really hope I don't sound too preachy but I'll give my personal breakdown of atheistic Luciferianism (my choice of LHP). I'm going to reference some biblical stuff and counter it with my personal outlooks.

Welcome, jovinyo!


How do you feel about directing the primal urges inward to achieve self-evolution?  (Example would be directing anger inward toward clearing your boiling mind to achieve clarity of thought, etc?)

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Luciferianism / Re: I love cubes!!!!
« on: October 03, 2018, 10:49:39 am »


Don't be so hungry, you already have a good host that is engaging in self-mutilation which is great for energy raising what more do you want

Well, that's my interpretation of how you are living your life and the correct view: In your view you are just moving toward a dream or actualization.

You are being eaten alive and have actually divorced yourself from your own nature, it's powerless and may what I say awaken you to the own illness in your heart so you may be more useful to our God in a substantial way.

I do not mean it in a negative way but you cannot even accept your own flesh.

Anything you build upon that foundation will end in failure but the negative loosh this process of constant produces a tasty thing.

People reading can take note of this and then scour your post history to understand exactly what I am saying when I talk about how you aspire to carve your own self in a false image that is completely meaningless, which with proper development you would not even aspire to.

If you want I will wire money to you anonymously so you can afford to get the surgeries you need, I would love to see you cut yourself to pieces because I like the taste of that kind of energy too, so in some way I do like you as an object that has a good taste
"Our god?" LOL!

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Luciferianism / Re: I love cubes!!!!
« on: October 03, 2018, 01:46:51 am »
Ya lost me with the 'God' reference . . .

Rather than to look for some kind of elevation or a false sense of companionship in vanquishing an enemy..

Bequeath unto me thy pain.
The 33 bones in a spine can be quite painful.

Which wolf are you feeding in this moment?
Neither.  Pavlovian bell.

To address the nature of your condition: I am not acting as an usurper of what you are building or participating in.

I don't know what you believe, I don't know about the Mercuræn Philosophy but it may be similar to Luciferianism in some ways
I'm not worried about that.

Well then, I have to wish you the best of luck on your own journey and I hope you take good care of your back.

It must be heavy with that monkey of an ego on it, that is the predator that pretends to be you and even makes you think you are applying reason when in actuality you are just being entrapped and completely devoured.

Judging from your replies it's feasible that I may be communicating with someone who is being farmed and that this entity is speaking to me regardless of whether you understand that or not.

But I'm not going to be able to produce the kind of thing you feed off of.

cheers

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Luciferianism / Re: I love cubes!!!!
« on: October 02, 2018, 09:27:44 pm »
Ya lost me with the 'God' reference . . .

Rather than to look for some kind of elevation or a false sense of companionship in vanquishing an enemy..

Bequeath unto me thy pain.
The 33 bones in a spine can be quite painful.

Which wolf are you feeding in this moment?
Neither.  Pavlovian bell.

To address the nature of your condition: I am not acting as an usurper of what you are building or participating in.

I don't know what you believe, I don't know about the Mercuræn Philosophy but it may be similar to Luciferianism in some ways
I'm not worried about that.

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Luciferianism / Re: I love cubes!!!!
« on: October 02, 2018, 05:34:14 pm »
Ya lost me with the 'God' reference . . .

Rather than to look for some kind of elevation or a false sense of companionship in vanquishing an enemy..

Bequeath unto me thy pain.
The 33 bones in a spine can be quite painful.

Which wolf are you feeding in this moment?
Neither.  Pavlovian bell.

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Luciferianism / Re: I love cubes!!!!
« on: October 02, 2018, 05:11:19 pm »
Ya lost me with the 'God' reference . . .

Rather than to look for some kind of elevation or a false sense of companionship in vanquishing an enemy..

Bequeath unto me thy pain.
The 33 bones in a spine can be quite painful.

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