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Setian Philosophy / Re: 8 Soul emanation (MindStar)
« on: April 21, 2020, 03:31:12 am »
Hermetic Magic by Stephen Flowers has a practical application of the Egyptian soul model.

Aquino's Black Magic is also fairly detailed on the topic, and includes additional references.

Setian Philosophy / Re: Another Xem Experience
« on: April 21, 2020, 03:27:37 am »
Quote from: Sutekh
We all know that Xem is an advanced state of being

Can you explain within the confines of Setian philosophy how exactly the Aeonic word Xem equates to a state of Being?

Quote from: Sutekh
I am a Magus of my own aeon

Do you comprehend what those words mean?

Lounge / Re: Organizing this Forum
« on: February 10, 2020, 07:42:18 pm »
Quote from: Etu Malku
Thelema is not a LHP religion

Many Thelemites might consider themselves LHP because they are willing to work with "dark" entities. However the core of Thelema is not just setting your own will into motion, but coming into alignment with a universal will. This is not an act of self-deification but submission, and in my opinion completely disqualifies Thelema as LHP, no matter how "spooky" the practitioner thinks they are.


Satanism / Re: Satanism, The Nine Angles, and Xeper
« on: January 12, 2020, 05:03:13 pm »
Ironically, this statement was used in LaVey's Enochian Key's in TSB. Despite the modern Church of Satan's rejection of belief in or worship of Satan. This term is found in several of the keys in the back of the book.

Whether you look at the rituals in TSB as psycho drama or actually magical in nature is irrelevant to the individual if that individual believes the subject to be "real". From a completely materialistic and atheistic point of view, one could argue that an individual who believes in magic and gods could create for themselves a sub-conscious change in their subjective universe that has resultant changes in their beliefs, behavior, actions, decision making, etc. Aquino would call such a thing "Greater Black Magic".

I suppose my personal opposition to the term "worship" would be in the hypocrisy of the Left Hand Path individual claiming to be reaching towards their own godhood, while bowing a knee to another god, whether real or imaginary. Of course "godhood" is a bit of a murky term, isn't it? Is a self-deified black magician merely the god of her own universe, or is she capable of speaking an entire universe into existence? If the latter is merely subjective, then any human with an imagination is a god, and I would count myself as unimpressed. If the former is the goal, I would think that individual would have control of her life, including things such as personal relationships, career, and financial stability. Being an armchair wizard but also perpetually unhappy and jobless would also find me unimpressed.

I like where you are going with this. Becoming the Satan of your own subjective universe seems to make the most sense. How would you tie that back into the topic of worship in a ritual setting?

Satanism / Re: Satanism, The Nine Angles, and Xeper
« on: December 18, 2019, 03:37:56 pm »
Just chaos in my head all the damn time.

Then you are enjoying Angle 1, its a great place to be. How you personally create Order from that Chaos is entirely up to you!


Satanism / Re: Satanism, The Nine Angles, and Xeper
« on: December 17, 2019, 02:10:55 pm »
This is a good point. Perhaps a better way to put it would be recreating my true self through my relationship with Satan. I am Theistic after all.

And does Satan, in your view, desire worship? In my opinion if he exists, he would do so to empower me to individuality, not service. Of course as I'm sure you are seeing, "theistic satanism" is a fairly broad category with hundreds of individual definitions.

Satanism / Re: Satanism, The Nine Angles, and Xeper
« on: December 16, 2019, 02:45:02 pm »
I would take a look at Angle 5, Creation, and consider what it means in regards to the emulate/worship a figure such as Set or Satan. If you are creating the Self, that is a more distinct and individual thing than emulating a god form. If you create the Self as a god form, there is no need to worship one.


Setian Philosophy / Re: Don Webb books, which to read first?
« on: November 21, 2019, 01:30:56 pm »
The Essential Guide for sure. It has some editorial issues IMHO, but despite this it covers the core of LHP practice very well. There are a lot of rabbit holes to follow as well if you are inclined to do research alongside of the main reading.


Setian Philosophy / Re: Real practical BM
« on: October 01, 2019, 02:00:41 pm »
Joining any initiatory order is entirely up to the desires and needs of the individual.

There are a number of sources from Setian authors on more practical BM. Two popular books that were birthed from internal Order practices brought to the open are Apophis and Infernal Geometry. Both require work and interpretation on part of the individual. There are others, but I would also say there is value in digging on your own.


General LHP Discussion / Re: On Kabbalah
« on: September 17, 2019, 08:38:21 pm »
Sefer Yetzirah, the first kabbalistic book, was write by Abraham, the first jew.

Genesis, the first Hebrew book, was written by Moses, even though he wasn't born until the events in Exodus.

Also, it is a matter of historical fact that a boy named Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider and now goes by the name "Spider-Man". My source is a series of comic books called, coincidentally, "Spider-Man".

I don't normally engage with trolls, but I would love the OP to realize the fallacy of circular logic if at all possible.


Satanism / Re: Good Satanist books?
« on: September 12, 2019, 02:05:48 pm »
Screw it I'll fourth Apotheosis.

Not speaking for the others, but I was intending to thumbs up "Apophis" by Michael Kelly. I haven't personally read Apotheosis, but it's on my Kindle Unlimited now, thanks in small part to the confusion.


Satanism / Re: Good Satanist books?
« on: September 11, 2019, 01:43:36 pm »
Second opinion on Apophis. It is a working book, not a page turner, if you really want to get the most out of it. If you are up for working texts like this, I would also consider:

The Black Ship - Malphas
Infernal Geometry - Chappell
Nine Doors of Midgard - Thorsson
Nightside of the Runes - Karlsson


Satanism / Re: Pentagonal Revisionism, anyone?
« on: August 29, 2019, 01:30:11 pm »
Gilmore talks sex robots and artificial environments in this older interview. I think it sounds a bit insane personally, ymmv:

Setian Philosophy / Re: Contacting The Temple Of Set
« on: August 28, 2019, 06:09:36 pm »
Yes active, yes accepting new members. The international conclave happened recently, folks were a little busy.


Setian Philosophy / Re: 8 souls
« on: February 18, 2019, 09:32:34 pm »
Stephen Flowers does a pretty good explanation of Ka and Ba in his book Hermetic Magic.

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