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Lounge / Re: Gobbledygook Generator
« on: July 03, 2019, 01:23:31 pm »
Interesting. I got a few funny results, but the same sentence structures kept cycling back every submission or two.

“Only geeks stuck in the 90s....”
“You really can’t fail with....”
“Forward looking companies invest in...”
“...outside-the-box management solutions.”

I wonder what kind of data they trained this on? Job applications and company blurbs? :D

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Setianism / Re: Pentagrams in Ancient Egypt
« on: June 27, 2019, 12:05:35 pm »
I checked my database around the date of my original comment (I cant believe it’s been more than a year!), but haven’t found them yet. There’s somewhere else I’m going to look soon.

Next time it might be better to host the images directly on the forum so there is less of a chance they get removed over time.

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Setianism / Re: Pentagrams in Ancient Egypt
« on: June 24, 2019, 06:32:51 pm »
Maybe. I’ll try to check but it’s unlikely that I’ll find them again. I have a massive running database of images and I tend to save everything that mildly interests me, so it has become rather unwieldy at this point.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Body Transformation as Magick
« on: June 24, 2019, 03:29:31 pm »
You seem to be focusing much more heavily on the changed perceptions of individuals rather than the actual change in physical structure and size which can follow such a practice as weightlifting. Am I correct in assuming then that your definition of Magick primarily deals with altering the way one is perceived by self and others?

I think that is a very important domain of Magick, however it is not the whole story. Body Transformation can change one of the objects of perception itself - the body - in a more permanent and immediate way. This can also change the physical capabilities themselves, and may further have psychological consequences as a result. For example, while a man with a higher BMI than average may believe he is not fat and benefit from that, one cannot doubt that someone else has large muscles if he sees and feels them in their immediacy.

If both of these men wanted to coerce others with a “tough guy” attitude (just as a simplistic example), both could be successful, but the second man would probably have an easier time of it thanks to actually looking the part. And if a situation arose in which that toughness needed to be demonstrated (say, one of the victims acting like a hero), then the second man would certainly have an easier time - as he actually has the necessary strength to back up his words.

The rough definition of Magick I was using for this thread is the actualization of one’s Will, regardless of the aim or method.

For instance, I’ve always had really tight hamstrings. I excercised my autonomy and decided to work on increasing my body’s flexibility. After a few months of conditioning my body, I can touch my toes. I never could before. In this case an idea (greater flexibility) was made manifest by the consistent application of Will. The object of perception has changed, and so have its qualities. My body’s range of movement has increased. But this change is relatively invisible, and so it likely has no impact on the perceptions of others. Moreover, it has very little impact on my own perceptions or my self-image. So it seems that this has almost nothing to do with your accounts of standard lesser and greater Magick. Any impact it does have on the perceptions of others is almost entirely incidental. If any Magick is done in this case, it is mostly change of physicality rather than change of minds.

Other body-changing practices do have more of an impact on my self image and are more easily visible, such as my quest to increase my breast size. Success in this domain would likely mean a change in all three areas: the physicality of my body, my perception and judgement of myself, and the perception/judgements of others. Still, my object is not to merely seem to have larger breasts, but to actually induce greater development and size on a rigorous basis. Therefore my task is body-transformation magick rather than basic manipulation magick. Although I think it could be argued that some level of greater magick (as you define it) is necessary in order to be successful in this and continue the practices. Perhaps a bit of greater magick was performed before even beginning the practices in order to make this an subject worthy of concern for me, thus opening the path for progress.

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General LHP Discussion / Body Transformation as Magick
« on: June 22, 2019, 09:12:26 pm »
From a spiritual perspective, the changing of one’s body through magical means can seem insubstantial, shallow, and rather besides the point.

But from a practical perspective, body changing is both a serious and a subtle art. Success in it requires more and for longer than most of those practices which are meant to develop the Will through mental excercises. Losing weight, gaining muscle, becoming healthy, improving aesthetics - all these things require considerable exertions and long lasting discipline in order to accomplish. In truth, transforming the body is Magick in one of the most direct ways. In this case, the object of the Will is the very thing that contains it, and success means improvement in the Will’s direct, bodily powers.

Not only this, but there are myriad ways a practitioner can go about working with body transformation, from weight-lifting at the grossest level, and overlapping with qigong and glandular manipulation at the most subtle.

I’ve been spending some time working in this domain for several months now. There are as many methods as there are goals (far more, in fact), but the key to all of them is persistence. Discipline. The body is comprised of earthier stuff than the mind, and it isn’t quick to change its ways. A person’s mind can be changed irrevocably in an instant, but his body will only make small strides of progress, if any at all.


Do you think that body-transforming practices count as Magick? What kind of traits do you try to optimize in your body? What kind of body-changing or body-training techniques do you use?


Certainly I have become convinced that they do. So far my main areas of focus have been: balance, flexibility, and breast growth. I’m actualizing these with regular practices such as Yoga Asanas, Guang Ping Yang Tai Chi, tactile stimulation, self-massage, and a tailored workout routine. I also use pharmacological methods such as hormone replacement and supplement as these are extremely useful for some of my goals.

It’s important to do thorough research into the techniques you use, especially if you’re going to be altering your body’s chemistry as I do. And of course, guidance from a professional is useful. For more mundane techniques, one should persist in them for a long time before worrying about lack of results. If you are using a sound method, results will follow a long and proper effort.

For those of you engaged in body transformation - Keep! It! Up!  ;)


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Satanism / Re: Simulation Hypothesis
« on: June 20, 2019, 08:13:20 pm »
Very interesting thread here. I would like your first post if I could, Idgo, but the like function hasn't been working at all for me lately.

I considered Bostrom's thought experiment for a while some time ago, and found it to be a decent argument. The only counter to it I have thought of so far (within the argument's own framework) requires some explanation. The hypothesis is considered in relation to current and theoretical calculation speed. It seems that with enough calculation speed, an entire universe could be simulated, perhaps through it's entire timeline. And not just one simulation, but likely very many of them; not only that but it is also conceivable that in the lifespan of the simulated universes, intelligent actors would also be able to discover and utilize technology relating to simulation, meaning that a simulated universe may also be hosting many other simulated universes, which occupy a hierarchical position even further removed from the base reality. Simply, that there are many "layers" to reality, possibly an infinite number - in which case the probability of us being in the 'base' reality becomes vanishingly small. This is somewhat conceivable if we imagine that the simulated universes obey the same laws of physics that are observed in the home universe. Since the home universe has the ability to simulate a universe, why not a digital universe with the same rules?

I think we can accept this part of the argument for now. When Elon Musk presents this argument, he likes to say "If you assume any rate of improvement in capacity of digital technology, eventually it will be possible to simulate billions of realistic universes." We can be optimistic and assume this, but we cannot assume that the calculation capacity of a piece of equipment will grow to be infinitely large in terms of Calculations-per-second (CPS).

Let us then re-examine the scenario of the 'base' reality, which begins the hierarchy of simulations. The technology in this realm is extremely advanced. A universe can be simulated with in every detail at a rate of 100 Million years per second. From the perspective of the beings here, every other universe has existence only in the form of information. The progression of time, and all the many and varied events within that reality are all represented by abstract information on a computer of some sort. But let us say that the simulated reality begins to host its own virtual universe. Now all of the information that encodes this new universe is contained within the information of its host universe, which is processed by a machine in the 'base' reality. Here a question arises.

Does the beginning of the second layer of simulation, add additional strain to the computer that hosts the first layer. If the second layer universe exists with all the rich detail as the first layer, then that information necessarily must exist and be dealt with in full by the base computer. If the information of the second layer universe is encoded or simulated in a simplified form to maintain the processing load of the base machine, then the fidelity of the very information which makes up a universe would degrade the farther down the "hierarchy" it is. In this latter case, there will not be an infinite number of simulated layers to reality, and possibly not very many at all. (e.g. Either lower level realities begin to find it impossible to simulate new universes due to constraints placed on it by the higher level realities, OR these lower level realities do not even exist in fullness but only in a theoretical way. Like when a SIM character takes the programming career path and ends by creating an artificial intelligence - as far as his world is concerned, he did it! But from the perspective of the higher-reality player, there is no advanced AI inside of the game, only a 2-bit postcard telling him that there is one.)

In the former case, where the information of each level of simulation is handled in full detail by the base computer, each new 'layer' of simulation will multiply the base computational load of simulating a universe. So if there are two 'layers', the 100 Million Year time which was originally able to simulated in a second, now takes two seconds, as the computer is processing twice as much information (two universes running on the same laws of physics). If the base machine is simulating billions and trillions of universes, or instead hosting virtual universes which are themselves hosting billions and trillions more - a point necessarily comes where it takes a significant amount of time for the base computer to be able to process even one second of time in all its dependents. This probably would not be noticed in the simulated universe, second would follow after second as normal. However, in the base reality, much more time is passing for each second than before. As the stack of simulated realities becomes deeper, billions of years pass by for the computer. Eventually, the computer reaches the end of its own existence, probably bound by the time scale of heat death of the base universe at the most optimistic. When this happens, time abruptly stops in all simulated universes. More than that, time ceases to be altogether and these timelines are unmade altogether - shortly after universal simulation was discovered and put into practice by a small, backwater planet...

If we accept this reasoning and assert that the base reality cannot simulate an infinite number of realistic universes, the argument is still not altogether defeated, but it is weakened somewhat. Instead of being 100% certain that we live in a simulation, it is now a matter of unknown chance whether or not we are a 'base' or a 'simulated' reality. If only a limited number of universes can be simulated, other ideas arise - such as a the desirability of simulating a given universe. If an intelligence is going through so much trouble to create these myriad worlds, it would seem that some potential universes would be more likely to be created than others. Is our universe such a fruitful choice? Why would any intelligence want to simulate this reality?

Another strange such consequence of such reasoning is the knowledge that the act of simulating a universe is actually a phenomenon with grand cosmic significance. Each new universe simulated adds a universe's worth of information to the processing load of the computer on the base reality. The timeline of every other simulated reality is theoretically shortened by the creation of a new timeline, as the processing time in the base universe grows slightly. We can amuse ourselves by imagining that Orthodox Simulationists take measures to ensure that their new timelines are unable to create further 'layers', thus limiting the draw on the home universe; while Gnostic Simulationists create many realities that are capable of making new 'layers' in a bid to bring all creation to an end. (Ironically making the radical gnostic simulationists great and terrible demiurges in their own right - propagating the very thing they sought to rebel against.)

Q: It would necessarily take an infinite amount of calculation to simulate a universe which is itself infinite. So if the computer did have infinite processing speed, then it could handle all the layers of universes regardless of how many there were, right?

A: Probably not. There are actually many different sizes of infinity, which do not necessarily equate with each other. An infinity which is comprised of an infinite series of infinities is in fact infinitely larger than an infinity of static digits. Even an infinitely powerful computer can still be slowed down or overloaded if it is dealing with information on a higher level of infinity (determined by the two sets' Aleph Number.)



But all this is provisional to me in the extreme. In the end, the Simulation Hypothesis does nothing more than provide us with a set of metaphors to describe our own reality, as Idgo said. There is no need to incorporate it into our metaphysics. As far as I am concerned, realities and simulated realities might exist in other substrates rather than technological computation; perhaps in a Mind, or in Nothing At All. The notion of a 'base reality' is also a provisional one that becomes laughable upon more open-minded consideration. The true teaching of the simulation argument should be this: that the only reality of significance is information, and therefore all realities stand on exactly even footing.

And if that information also proves to be of no significance, there may not be any ground at all to this thing. :D




A few words on the "Illuminati Theory" / Illuminati Interpretation of the simulated reality idea:

Any reasonable understanding of power in this world will show that those who hold power will not provide an easy path of entrance to those who do not hold it. The answer to "Why not join them?" is that they are invitation-only, and by working against them one works instead for an end of an unjust system and the oppression of all those who live under it - even those common people who were foolish enough to slave under them in the first place. Provisionally speaking, of course.

As for the whole "13 Bloodlines" thing - it's very storybook. If you were truly a in-group of such significant power, anonymity would be one of your strongest weapons. Once the anonymity of the leader is destroyed, it becomes possible to depose him. I doubt very seriously that the names of these families would be such commonplaces. In fact, they would probably live under different identities, and change them regularly, if that were at all possible.

I’m not sure if it’s fair to compare incest children to the results of a hyper-elite trying to optimize the genetics of its next generation. Especially in an age when the human genome is mapped, and CRISPR and other gene editing tools exist. It is possible that attempts to strengthen bloodlines behind closed doors might be more successful now that methods are no longer limited to “inbreeding to keep the blood pure.”

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Lounge / Re: A place to share Art
« on: June 08, 2019, 05:27:53 pm »
A nice little image I found relating to Lunar mythology and LHP.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: LHP and Rawls' Veil of Ignorance
« on: May 29, 2019, 03:11:29 pm »
The veil of ignorance is great for removing selfish considerations, which is valuable because in general man is unable to be objective in anything where his own interests are involved.

It’s a very humanist experiment - and it’s efficient usage could help to create cultures where each person is given a fair shot to thrive in its own way without undue persecution.

But is this necessarily LHP? Doesn’t LHP also allow one the freedom to make decisions that are knowingly motivated by his own self interest? To say “to hell with the general mass of people,” and “let the slaves serve”? (Not that I adhere to or approve of either of these positions.)

Where is the reconciliation between the uninhibited furtherance of self and vaguely utilitarian, humanitarian ethics? These things are not always in conflict - in fact I don’t think they are in the majority of LHPers I’ve spoken to. But since they can conflict, the question remains: which of these principles survives the battle?


Two more points for consideration:

Is it possible to make an argument for an elite ruling class from behind the veil of ignorance? (Similar to the arguments Plato makes for aristocracy in The Republic.)

Does the veil of ignorance use an individual’s selfish tendencies to undermine selfishness? (Forget all of your current advantages, now what kind of world do you want in order to maximize your personal chances in it upon rebirth [Making an optimization game out of moral and political theory]?) If so, what effect if any does the thought experiment have on a person whose moral/political ideas are already far removed from their own personal interests?

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Lounge / Re: A place to share Art
« on: May 29, 2019, 03:01:10 am »
This is a collaboration I did with a friend several months ago. I thought you guys might enjoy! It was almost all automatic drawing but there are lots of small details, even a neat formula for the 7 pointed star in there if you can parse it.

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Artemism / Commentary on Aleister Crowley’s “Pan to Artemis”
« on: May 04, 2019, 10:56:07 pm »

Commentary on Aleister Crowley’s Pan to Artemis
by Olive Fontaine

Category: Lunar verse, Theology, Literary Eisegesis.


Aleister Crowley, sometimes called the Magus of the new Aeon, was a prolific writer who made enormous contributions to both ceremonial magic and the study of the occult. As a skilled wordsmith, he also wrote a number of poems.

Some of these are of particular interest to the practitioner, such as A-ha!, because they are either about spiritual practice itself or were inspired by related mystical insights. As a result, analysis of these writings can be prove to be quite worthwhile, and sometimes different approaches can reveal layers of meaning which are not apparent from a topical reading.

Another such poem is Pan to Artemis. A simple reading might suggest, especially given the author, that these words are entirely useless to lunar devotees, if not outright blasphemous. They can be seen as a paean to the corruption of innocence, and to the inevitable fall of nobility into greed and lust. But these words, spoken by one who is an adherent of Lady Artemis and the way of the Moon, take on a whole different spirit. It is a loving appeal to the Goddess by one seeking union, and a praising of the sublime attributes of her archetype.

It is interesting to note that despite the title of the poem, Pan is only referenced (obliquely) a single time in-text; meaning that the context of this poem is particularly ripe for alternate interpretations. We can also view the words as being spoken by Endymion (another significant mythological lover of the moon) or by the accomplished lunar devotee herself. All this is not to say that this interpretation is more accurate than any other - that it was intended or even foreseen by the founder of Thelema. I am instead interested in using the poem as a way to talk about the perspective of Artemism, and in providing fellow lunar devotees with the words and sense of a very nice Invocation!

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Pan to Artemis

Uncharmable charmer
Of Bacchus and Mars        [1]
In the sounding rebounding
Abyss of the stars!       [2]
O virgin in armour,
Thine arrows unsling     [3]
In the brilliant resilient
First rays of the spring!

By the force of the fashion
Of love, when I broke
Through the shroud, through the cloud,
Through the storm, through the smoke,   [4]
To the mountain of passion
Volcanic that woke ---
By the rage of the mage     [5]
I invoke, I invoke!     [6]

By the midnight of madness: -    [7]
The lone-lying sea,     [8]
The swoon of the moon,
Your swoon into me,     *
The sentinel sadness
Of cliff-clinging pine,
That night of delight 
You were mine, you were mine!     [9]

You were mine, O my saint,
My maiden, my mate,     [10]
By the might of the right
Of the night of our fate.     [11]
Though I fall, though I faint,
Though I char, though I choke,     [12]
By the hour of our power
I invoke, I invoke!

By the mystical union
Of fairy and faun,     [13]
Unspoken, unbroken -
The dust to the dawn! -     [14]
A secret communion
Unmeasured, unsung,
The listless, resistless,
Tumultuous tongue! -     [15]

O virgin in armour,     [16]
Thine arrows unsling,
In the brilliant resilient
First rays of the spring!
No Godhead could charm her,     [17]
But manhood awoke -    [18]
O fiery Valkyrie,
I invoke, I invoke!

1. What flawless elegance!

2. That abyss which she makes her kingdom! Unparalleled, she expertly navigates the waters of Nun.

3. Heavenly arrows, made of silver and dipped in poison.

4. That consistent dedication and application of Will on the path of mastery, which allows one to fully penetrate delusion, ignorance, distraction/temptation, and doubt/weariness. (Loosely correlated to shroud, cloud, storm, smoke.)

5. “Rage” should primarily be understood in the literary sense - prophetic passion and feeling. Or if you like - the natural rising momentum of the true magus. The “mountain of passion” after all, is more akin to love and creative joy rather than indignation, as we shall see clearly later in the text.

6. The first instance of the triple invocation of Artemis present here; a significant number of supplications. (Three times, twice repeated is six, also the number of stanzas in the poem.)

7. Which none know better than the Moon Goddess and Pan himself!

8. Each line in this stanza should be understood as following the “By the” of the first line (By the lone-lying sea, by the swoon of the moon, etc). The speaker is calling upon and drawing power from these several lunar images.

9. O most holy night! It is only right that this most sublime of the invocations be much further commented on than the others.

10. The lover of the Goddess knows her by all three of these relations. The Saint that transmits divinely inspired knowledge; The Maiden who provides the example of purity and fertile potential, typifying the qualities of the aspirant; The Mate, who by an admixture of essence bears and brings forth the spiritual child - the perfected self. The Lunar adept will also find herself wearing these three images in turn as her Bhakti progresses.

11. “The might of the right(rite?) of the night of our fate” does have a certain dread power in it for the accomplished devotee. As if to say “Come to me, white Goddess, for the sake of our consummated love, for the sake of our heir!”

12. With personal mistakes and shortcomings always clearly in sight, we do not falter but persist in our work. Having tasted perfection in union with Her, how could we do other?

13. The Fairy is the Moon Goddess (or if you like, the Platonic Form of the High Priestess), the Faun is the physical body. Their union is accomplished by the close accordance of the potential Will of the former, and the actualizing Will of the second.

14. Note: not “the dusk to the dawn,” meaning all night long, but rather the union of “the dust to the dawn,” (the insignificant or material to the heavenly and eternal), further explaining the previous lines.

15. Interesting line that can be taken a few different ways. Firstly, it could mean that the communion is unsung and unmeasured by “the listless, resistless, tumultuous tongue,” thus affirming the Artemist maxim of truth in silence rather than speech. Alternately, these attributes could describe the tongue of Pan (the supplicant) - as he pours out verse after rhyme as a libation to his belovèd.

16. The armor of a sure self-confidence, and an impenetrable aura.

17. For she that is in me is greater than thee, o cosmic adversary.

18. “Manhood,” could denote creative potency realized. Like the nymphs and wild virgins who lived and loved with Diana, one who would approach her must first cultivate negative freedom - freedom from conditioned things (purity). But final success involves something more, a positive freedom of creative power (virility), which is conceived between the receptive potential of the adept and the holy inspiration of the goddess. A cheeky interpretation of the line is that the manhood ‘rising up’ is an erection. This is also symbolically powerful. If one has understanding of a deep esoteric mystery which need not be expounded here, this can be seen as a phallus on the body of the Goddess - representing the reconciliation of certain dualities such as masculine/feminine and virility/fertility. This image of the embodied goddess is both the cultivated soil and the sower of seeds. Such a symbol is not so strange for the Lady Artemis as it may at first seem, especially considering the forceful and active qualities repeatedly assigned to her here and elsewhere.


* This is the single oblique mention of Pan which I spoke of before. Here Pan is represented symbolically by the night sky, or the “everythingness” all about - a common substitution, while Artemis is depicted as the body of the lunar orb. Therefore, “the swoon of the moon, your swoon into me,” refers to the movement of the Moon (Artemis) into and through the darkness of night (Pan).


On Reciting the Poem

The Poem can be used as an invocation of Artemis in a fairly simple way. The verses should first be contemplated and committed to memory. Then one can begin to use the recitation for magical purposes. Preferably, one should prepare a space which is pleasing to the goddess and which is conducive to practice. Then, one should banish the space, preferably with the Gnostic lunar banishing ritual of the Pentagram which I’ve shared here (the  form of the ceremony has been refined further, look for an update in that thread soon). Next, one may perform a planetary Moon-invoking Hexagram ritual, if she is able. Thereafter, one may begin her recitation. She may do this in a posture that is suitable for her - whether that be a “calling down the moon” posture, standing with hands in prayer, or sitting with folded hands. The words should be spoken clearly and respectfully, with an air of solemn seriousness. Further practice will teach one which words to emphasize and to inflect with emotion. Repeated recitations will cause the words to reveal new meaning and significance to the adept. One may begin to see astral images during the recitation and the ceremony builds up psychical power. One may see the sad and untamed images of the third stanza vividly, or she may begin to see the Godform of Artemis in the first or the last. Similar developments should be seen as progress in effectively using the invocation.

Once the recitation has been completed, one may opt to conclude by tracing a virgin crescent over one’s body in the manner of a catholic crossing himself. The movement of the hand begins at the left side of the crown, and curves outward to the adept’s right, coming back leftward to finish the crescent at the heart. As one makes this motion, she should say “Selene Eleison” [Luna have mercy].

Whether or not this last step has been performed, one may then progress directly into whatever other practice she has set before herself - yoga, more ceremony, exercise of creativity, or anything else that furthers her magical Will.


—☽○☾—

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Animal sacrifice
« on: April 14, 2019, 10:27:44 pm »
Funny you should make the comparison of Vegetarianism and Animal Sacrifice in the OP, Kapalika. There’s a vegan magician I work with, and I’ve seen her cheat on her diet once - ordering a meat dish and consuming it, calling it an animal sacrifice. (Not a common thing for her, she’s been strict vegan for many years now.)

Personally, I don’t use animal sacrifice in my magical workings. I feel that would be profaning my ritual space to the max. Especially if the animal is tortured before being killed. I respect the role that animal sacrifice played in pre-modern societies (charity, food distribution, community building), but that stuff isn’t super relevant as far as my personal practice goes. I’ve watched several traditional animal sacrifices (you can find videos on YouTube and elsewhere), and they are a bit much for my modern western sensibilities. We’re not really used to seeing that kind of brutality in places where meat comes in plastic sanitized packages...

I’ve been shown how to do animal sacrifice and how it works in visions before, but again, that kind of energy is not really in alignment with what I’m trying to accomplish.

I do eat meat from time to time. It’s less than I used to, and I opt for seafood when possible, but I’m definitely far from innocent in that regard. I actually regard factory farming as far more evil than any traditional animal sacrifice, and I’m not proud to be a part of it. But I’ve not fully divested myself from that wicked element of western life.

From a gnostic perspective, the processes of the world contain evil at almost every level. There’s hardly any escaping it. Yes, I’m interested in purifying myself, but right now I’m focusing on the things that are more immediately relevant, like my own emotional states, the contents and obsessions of my mind, and my physical health. Maybe my vegan friend will help me develop the proper skills and tastes to go meat free in the future.

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General LHP Discussion / Revolutionary Ideation and LHP
« on: March 17, 2019, 10:31:38 pm »
LHPers are often stereotyped (a bit unfairly) as contrarians who disavow the common values and social structures of their time. I thought I would start a open-ended conversation about our members’ adherence or non-adherence to this principle, centered on the topic of social and political structures.

This is not a thread for political debate. Political views and opinions can be mentioned to the extent that they inform one’s perspective on the ruling powers of their society. As an American I am primarily speaking about the American government and further still the interconnected global axis of political organization colloquially known as “The West.”

If you do not live in a “western” country, your opinion and perspective are still worthwhile here, but it must be understood as occurring within a radically different context.


Here are a few questions to bounce off of (answer at your pleasure):

1. If you had to describe your relationship with the ruling powers of your society as you understand them, would you say that you are aligned with them, opposed to them, or indifferent to them?

2A. If you are aligned with them, is it in an active or a passive way? In other words, are you be willing to offer resources in support of the ruling powers and elites (aka Funding, Political Action, Military Service, arguing on their behalf) or not?

2B. If you are opposed to them, is it in an active or passive way? In other words, are you willing to engage in taking definite revolutionary action (undermining their influence, funding revolutionary movements, exposing state secrets, and speaking against them) - or not? (Passive revolutionary- will offer support when the revolution comes along, but doesn’t play a roll in actually brining it about)

3. Do you think that citizens live in fair and equitable circumstances under the current ruling powers?

4. Do you think a better system than the current one could be created in terms of the welfare and circumstances provided to the citizen? If so, what do you think the chances are of this coming about?

5. How long do you think the power structure of your society will last before being destroyed or reformed into something radically different?

6. Whether you are in alignment with, opposed to, or indifferent to the ruling powers of your society, do you think that political violence is ever justified or necessary to advance these views?

7. In your experience, does LHP ideology push people in one direction or the other (in terms of evaluation of political leadership). Alternatively, has it done so for you?

Reminder: Please refrain from attacks on others or heated ideological debate. This thread is for the personal expression of members on this topic, evaluation of the responses, and discussion about revolutionary ideation and LHP in general.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Do you believe in spirits?
« on: March 14, 2019, 06:41:53 pm »
I tend to agree with that Kapalika. I have paradigms that are materialist and thus can not justify the belief in the independent existence of these spirits. However, I’ve had so many experiences with beings and entities which seemingly act independently of me that it no longer matters what their true ontological status is.

It’s not a matter of belief. Phenomenologically, spirits exist and do interact with humans. Most adepts can (probably) learn to perceive and deal with them.

Even at the level of animism, talk of spirits is not necessarily nonsensical. Forests, trees, animals, people, and ancestors all have a kind of “personality” and influence that is easily described in terms of “the spirit of X”.

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I called and asked them about the back half again just out of curiosity. They described it like this:

“The first story starts off in this incredibly dark place, and as the stories go on they fuck with you more and more until you reach a point where everything breaks down (the prophets paradise) and then after that the stories just become sort of normal. But although they are less interesting - you are in such a twisted state of mind that you almost become the paranoid schizophrenic from the beginning, looking for things that aren’t there.”

They also mentioned something about reusing names from the beginning towards the end and that messing with them, but again I’ll have to go back to see exactly.

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The entire book, Xepera. Although they mentioned that the section entitled “The Prophet’s Paradise,” was something of a breaking point directly following the first 4. The short poems are quite mind twisting and a bit eerie at times. I would include them with the significant portion of the book, at least. I’ll have to reread the back half eventually to see if anything jumps out at me.

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