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General LHP Discussion / Let's talk about a taboo subject: Necromancy
« on: December 08, 2017, 10:28:22 pm »
It is hard to find good discussion on Necromancy anywhere, even in historical documents. It has gained a reputation as one of the darkest and blackest arts. Therfore it's gained a reputation for beind dangerus. In addition, divination through trusting a random ghost seems....unreliable.

I'd be interesting in the control of the dead. I've seen this uses in grimoires, a love spell involving chtonic deities uses a grave of someone in the Graeco-Magickal Papyri. There's a curse in the Graeco Magical Papyri that involves and some Norse stuff that involves it as well. Then there's the tradition of memento mori. Commanding the dead seems much more reasonable and practical.

I recently listened to the "Playing with the Dead" episode of Last Podcast on the Left and I was intrigued to what the modern Occultist perspective on this art was.

What are your thoughts and opinions on necromancy? If anyone has practiced it, feel free to share your experiences.

Luciferianism / Argarizim-The Fall of Lucifer
« on: December 06, 2017, 09:09:15 pm »
I was able to snag one of the last copies of Argarizim- The Fall of Lucifer from Ixaxaar. There should only be 2 left now so snag it up if you want one. They're discounted due to an imperfection in the cloth.

"Argarizim continues studies where Fosforos left off; disclosing a deeper understanding of the Luciferian gnosis, one that is not focused on carnality or egotism, but on the pursuit of true realization concerning the essence of Satan and the philosophy of the occult, focusing in this book more specifically on areas that otherwise are rarely treated in general LHP literature. The book concentrates, amongst other topics, on the influences of emotions, as connected to aspects of Cardinal Sins, within the advancement of the initiate, explaining the differences between satanic paths and their progressive and regressive effects within the spiritual context. Dangers of the astral realms in connection to interactions with their denizens and the different states of the Spirit in the afterlife are also amongst the varied occult topics addressed, making this book most valuable for the students that have experienced the trials of the Mortification phase and that now reach for deeper and higher understanding concerning spiritual evolution as it is perceived within the author’s Brotherhood of the Star of Azazel."

Highly look forward to reading it! I also got Lucifer Princeps from Scarlet Imprint. For some reason, Lucifer and the fallen angel mythology has really captured my imagination. I wanted some more reliable texts on it. Ford is too reliant on unverified personal gnosis and lacks in mythological analysis. He's got some interesting ideas on rituals but leaves a lot lacking outside of that.

I'll update this thread with my opinion once I finally get it. I mainly just wanted to let people know there's plenty of other options in Luciferianism outside of Ford's dogmatic take.

General LHP Discussion / What in the hell are Enochian angels?
« on: November 29, 2017, 06:29:38 pm »
These clearly can't be angels, in the judeo-christian sense, other than the bible mentions one of them looking something like this big wheel of fire that resembed a Lovecraftian horror.

Michael Kelly used Enochian to communicate with Apep to start his order when he left the Order of Leviathan. LaVey adopted Enochian language into Satanic calls. An argument that they're unique of the Golden Dawn paradigm can't be true because Dee and Kelly were the first to work them and there are Enochian traditionalists out there that reject Golden Dawn.

I'm reading Vision and the Voice now which records visuals alongwith messages and everything seems to revolve around the abyss, babalon, and so on. It almost sounds more demonic but not quite. Like it's both or neither. Appearances can and do resemble that Lovecraftian horror aspect I mentioned in it.

I mean you can always argue that these things are altered by the person who is recieving it(Crowley did have a Babalon fetish). I've heard a lot of speculation that angels=angles or subangles. As in the strange angles in reality which reminds me of the Order of the Trapezoid.

I'm intrigued and want to investigate and I know in magick, recieved wisdom is best through own gnosis- but I want to know what other people think and if there's any popular theories about this strange system?

This is pretty basic stuff with charging but I feel that sigils are so simplified it is forgotten. My method is tried and tested and taken from many Galdr, or Runic, style magicians. Esentially, you have to choices in galdr. You can implant your conciousness in it or take it into your own conciousness like helm of awes are worn then break the link. Your will alone and a sigil to focus should be enough to do either. There's a lot of sigil methods you can find literally everywhere so I will not get into them. However, I am of the opinion the more planted into your subconcious it is the more likely to work. If you are making anything that operates like a Helm of Awe I would recommend using a inherently magickal langauge that is said to hold it's own powers as you are taking in energy. You have many choices here: Runes, Ogham, Enochian, Hebrew, Donald Tyson's necronomiconic langauge, Draconian, or create your own.

Very well, this should be known as most magicians can get sigils to work. It might sound embearassing but I couldn't get sigils to work unless they were bindrunes because I didn't treat it with respect and looked it as a beginner thing that can be charged with the most basic gnosis.

So this takes us to the magickal link and sympathetic magick. The magickal link in hoodoo, voodoo, and other forms of sympathetic magick such as hair, blood, general dna, or a possession of the victim is fantastc. It already holds their energy strongly and has some link with the intended recepient. However, we're simplifying everthing to the basics here; these items might give a spell a powerful boost but you don't needed them. They have interacted with your directly, with your conciousness, providing a magickal link with you. A link to their essence lies somewhere within your conciousness so bring it up and implant it into a fetish as if you would a sigil. You can do this with, well anything non-human as well, and make ritual tools, talismans, etc. everything you would ever need.

Hypersigils. So this is a bit vague, it's a new technology that surfaced in the 90's but it is a strong one. It has the risk of obsession and it increases synchretization that you did not mean to happen but is nevertheless important. Requests you put it may manifest but in a way you had no intention of. Somethings are taken literally and others not at tall.

Hypersigils are generally an extended creative work that functions as a microcosm. You manipulate reality within this microcosm and it effects the macrocosm. So how do you do this? You set the stage and forge magickal links. The first one is to empower your own conciousness and then the microcosm. Forge a link with your fetish or character before others as it is your conciousness that observes and changes this reality. Then make fetishes for other people you know, forces you wish to play in it, and desires or troubles to give to various people so that you can verify if it works or it's just it your head. You can also sigilize people you want to come into your life. Get creative with this! If you're writing a comic  or filming a movie, you can hide visual things such as runes, sigils, or animals associated with Gods(cats to invoke Freyja) or even seals. Or you could literally just make a demon you want to interact with a character. You can use the runes and sigils to help empower events that you really want to manifest in reality.

There's many ways to do this. Sure, tools can help and the wand and cup are symbols of manifesting and taking in energy and you can always do that. It can help to have an object you yourself form a magickal link with and have collecting ritual energy. This is another way magickal links can be used to our advantage. But if you're really strengthening your will, you should be able to strip a ritual of everything and use the natural magickal links and will inside your conciousness to effect change. If magickal link as all it takes to create rituals tools, hypersigils, and the like, then get creative and see how far you can push it. Maybe that leaf you found on the ground is now a sigil for money and you can use a lighter (wand/fire) to burn it. It sounds new-agey and like the problems I have with chaos magick but if you've trained your conciousness you should be able to make it work.

 I personally prefer to innovate in the other direction if we are going the chaos magick route by reverse-engineering rituals and seeing if they work, then trying to create new tech out of it by complicating it. Say you reverse-enginereed and simplified necromancy, servitor/egregor invocation(as well as demons), new age crystal magick, and innovated your own way with cybermancy. Well then, find a way to use dead spirits to charge a battery to power a egregor. I have no idea how you'd do this as I'm terrible with code and all that but I'd guess you could get a USB drive and write a code for an over-all egregor(it doesnt matter if it effects the computer) than actually write a code that programs it to effect your google searches to give you divinatory messages, then write a code to draw from energy that is placed on top of the USB.  Use necromancy to have the spirits charge crystals you put on to of the USB.

This is example over fucking complicated so why do it if you don't need to? Well, creativity is fucking important. Force yourself to be creative. Also, to encourage you to simplify systems and try out new systems to see if they work. And to see how far you can strip, bend, and push a system before it collapses or falls apart. I think is what is most important in this example is that it's expirimenting to find different ways magickal links can be crossed over and how many transfers it takes to lose energy or how they gain in energy. Hell, after doing all that you could than place it into a hypersigil and see if it takes on a life of it's own!

General LHP Discussion / LHP equivalent of minor rituals?
« on: November 25, 2017, 03:04:52 pm »
I started using the common circle casting used by Setian and Luciferian circles as well as other LHP things.

This does an excellent job of closing in energy, however, it can be a lot of energy to hold and process and conduit through the body regardless of if you're working with external influences or your own will.

While Middle Pillar, LBRP, and similar Golden Dawn rituals tap into a current that I wish to be no part of at the current moment, I can't deny they were good for building up a tolerance to said energy when working rituals. I'd even accept neutral forms of this.

I really need to get my energy tolerance up but do not wish to do it with judeochristian god names.

General LHP Discussion / Any opinions on Dragon Rouge or Order of Apep?
« on: November 22, 2017, 06:16:34 pm »
First of all, I love this Order and I have no intention of leaving it any time soon. I feel like this is the perfect place for me right now and I appreciate all the members involved and I feel like it is only beginning to get exciting from the articles I'm seeing for TIS vIII. So my priority in looking for any other order is one that does not disallow me from being affilated with another order such as The Temple of Set.

I can't deny that the Draconian current is for me so I'm looking into Draconic affilated orders. Apophis Club seems interesting and they seem to have started some kind of training program. I don't believe dues are required and most members are affilated with other orders. However, it mainly seems like a forum and I'm looking for an iniatory school. I'm also concerned with the intellectual property agreement, I don't like those to begin with in general and I don't want to be prevented from publishing in TIS.

Dragon Rouge seems to have a good reputation and has really caught my eye. However, my main concern with them is in addition to your acceptance fee that you have to order the training courses. That turns me off quite a bit. I still seem to like their philosophy. I am still not looking to join anything for quite sometime but I feel it's around the time to begin examining different magickal schools and carefully deciding which to apply to when the time comes.

Has anyone heard anything about these orders? I'm curious of your completely honest thoughts on them. 

The following is an excerpt from Apophis. The channeled writing in the beginning of the book. After my recent crossing of the abyss and coming back from it, I can relate to it a lot and the Draconic philosophy in general is helping me bring back purpose to my life.

I placed it in the Setian section as Apophis is created by a former member of Order of Leviathan and this particular phrase mentions Set. I feel like Order of Leviathan and Apophis' philosophy is central to undertanding remanifestion and consiousness, at least for me.

“So now you know that beyond Desire there is to be found Desire.  When all of the bonds are loosed, when all of the attachments are severed, when the sense of Self is all that remains, cast adrift in a Void... you were carried through by Desire. “Not Desire for the things you had known and lost. The remembrance of the most urgent and important things in your life elicited not a flicker of interest in the void of ZAX. You cared nothing for them.  This Desire was not for person nor thing, but for the testing of possibilities, the extension of your Self into new arenas. “And now you awaken afresh to Desire between the spread thighs of Badhbh.  Mount Her chariot and ride with Her, heedless of all, laughing in lust and fury.  When the rules of the game displease you, sweep aside the pieces and play a different game. “The message of Set to Man is:  'Who gives a fuck?'”

So I'm doing a bit of demonolatry work lately. It's useful. I think you have to keep in mind that if everything you see is from your interpretations then deities, angels, and demons can only give their interpretations as well. Regardless of if demons are external or internal, they hold wonderful keys to knowledge that are locked away.

So with that in mind, here are Lord Rossiere's thoughts on love through unverified personal gnosis.

"Love is evil. A consumation by fire that destroys everythiing to create a completely new beginning."

"[A need for] Love is natural to humans. How can you blame someone for holding on to love [even if it's not reciprocated]"

The brackets are because I had to paraphrase to condense everything down to the relative parts without personal bits. This intrigues me greatly, he seemed to have a positive view of less romantic forms of love.

That first statement is obvious at first glance but when paired with that later, I think. What would a demon say is evil? If trying to view from his perspective, it might be referring to love as a natural "gift" from God that can be disagreeable. Lord Rosierre seemed to inspire a dominant approach to love, rather than subservient so I have this following guess I'd like to follow up on at some point: The need for love is something God installed in humanity to lead them back to him. This would actually really make sense with the Kabbalistic theory of soul mates.

My other thought on the first bit is since Lord Rosierre highlights Love in its destructive aspect, one could utilize various entities perspective to further understand the Alphabet of Desire cycle in Liber Nox modeled after an alchemical formula meant to allow one to take control of their own life.

We've had recent discussions on egregors and while each member as a definition, I am using the one I am familiar with. A collective thoughtform.

It's sort of like a group servitor although as it has a greater amount of energy put into it, it is more powerful and can resemble a God-form.

I personally feel the most successful examples of Egregores are from the DKMU's mythology. They esentially built their own mythology using chaos magick techniques.

I'd like to extend an open invitation to everyone involved with the O:.S:. forum to create an egregore. I think there are multiple benefits to this. 1.) To study the metaphysics involved in Egregores and therefore potentially Godforms 2.) To create an egregor unique to the current of the O:.S:. that will help members who choose to work with it and 3.) to charge the O:.S:. current as I believe every successful magickal order or group as it's own current.

What I love about the O:.S:. is that there is no uniform belief and every member is free to develop their own definition of the LHP and their own beliefs around it. So I also would like to encourage members of the forum to devise their own Magickal Collaborations and expiriments to add to a potential O:.S:. current in their own unique way.

This topic will do fine for planning although I suggest the more sensitive information such as initial charging be handled ina group PM as this is a public forum and anyone could interfere with the charging process. However, I feel everything that isn't sensitive should be posted here publicly to keep everyone updated with the progress. I look forward to working with anyone interested!

The first step is to come up with the intention of the egregor. I personaly feel like some kind mentor-esque Egregor would be quite useful. Something that can suggest and uncover information relative to one's path, whatever it may be. If it's a general all purpose mentor, it could also have the purpose of encouraging practice when one becomes too lazy. However, I am open to everyone's suggestion for what they think would be the best intention for an Egregor. Any thoughts or suggestions?

General LHP Discussion / Altar tools, where do you store them?
« on: November 13, 2017, 08:47:46 pm »
I've mainly stored tools on my shrines. However, I've ran out of room and come into some that don't fit thematicall in with my shrines.

Where do you personally store them? I've read various things. How do feel about keeping them on your altar yourself or should they only be placed their when in use? I was just reading a Wiccan article that suggested as close to your altar and if possible, under it.

General LHP Discussion / Satanic Elemental Balancing and Cleansing rituals?
« on: November 01, 2017, 08:19:25 pm »
First of all, someone recommended Modern Demonolatry a while back and it was very helpful, after pursuing their website, I noticed they have a book called modified. It's how to alter practice for people suffering various conditions: blindness, deafness, wheelchair, etc. which I thought was nice to see. Only field I've seen that in honestly.

However, they have a small section including depression and it recommended elemental balancing rituals(which definitely seems like a good idea) as well as some cleansing ones occasionally. I do have some problems with depression but I honestly only know the Golden Dawn/Thelemic rituals when it comes to cleaning and elemental balancing. Would love something more in terms with a Satanic bent.

General LHP Discussion / Halloween rituals?
« on: October 31, 2017, 02:09:57 pm »
What would be the best timing for halloween rituals? Planetary hours? Witching hours? Any time during the night? All Soul's day? I'm sure it depends on the paradigm but, I mean. What it weaken or strengthen a ritual to craft and charge it throughout the day and night corresponding to proper times?

Either from a historical, military, or LBM perspective?

General LHP Discussion / Recommended start with demonalotry?
« on: October 22, 2017, 04:06:02 pm »
What books do you guys prefer?

General LHP Discussion / Billy Brujo-Scrapbook of Shadows
« on: October 22, 2017, 12:19:30 pm »

It's a rather simple idea, I'm sure most have already thought of it. And there's a debate on if writing something by hand is better. However, I've been wanting to start a new grimoire lately as my old one is falling apart and my handwriting sucks. This video was actually pretty inspiring idea for me.

I can print out certain things from PDF grimoires and write something on lined paper and add it in as I go. I'm actually surprised I never thought of it. I think a mix of hand-drawn and noted and scrap-booked is a good combination.

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