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Music / potential cover for something of mine
« on: January 12, 2018, 04:40:42 pm »
Just the first draft of it, pretty much what i want but I'll need to maybe redo the font due to the licensing of it  (and there are some edits I want to make to it) and blend it better anyway:

Has the semi lowfii feel I want. No color editting I just got lucky finding a super misty / dark shot very early in the morning.

Does the barn invoke any kind of feel or implication/suggestion for you guys, or anything else in the picture?

Tryin' to get a vibe of "kinda like black metal but not quite". I guess there's more influence from earlier black metal rather than later in that respect.

Lounge / try forum zoom at 80%
« on: January 10, 2018, 02:35:57 pm »
For anyone who doesn't know the forums look better (IMO) at larger resolutions in this setting. I realized a bit ago I had it on and forgot about it until I saw everything look zoomed in and realized it was at 100% >.>

In chrome it's just under the 3 dots for the menu and is site-specific and should be remembered. Should be the same if not similar in other browsers.


Satanism / Satanists are cats
« on: January 08, 2018, 07:43:20 pm »
Do you ever feel like, this giddy feeling when you see other people embracing Satanism?

Maybe it's just me. For all the countless idiots I've seen throughout the years going "zomg how do I worship father Satan" or "teach me how to be a Satanist!" as if they are dogs, there are a few cats who are actually serious and it fills me with this kind of diabolical joy to see them "get it" and embrace Satanism.

This isn't to say that worship or wanting to learn is bad, but there seems to be a lot of people treating it as if it is Christianity. I'm pretty sure all of us here can confess to our relationship with Satan being very different than how people normally imagine it. I wouldn't go so far as to argue I am an equal peer to Satan, but Satanists are cats. And Satan is... a bigger cat? I'd say he's the human but he doesn't pet us and he doesn't hold all the tuna. Maybe wild cats are a better metaphor over domestic ones...

My point is, you can't have Satanism without individualism. Cats are very individualistic types. But there are too many dogs wanting to become Satanists and horribly missing the point.

I just really like it when I see a cat embrace Satanism, dogs not so much.

General LHP Discussion / How do you treat your altar?
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:50:49 pm »
I know this has probably been asked more generally, but I specifically want to know how you treat your altar.

What I mean is, where do you put it and why, and what kind of attitude do you approach it with? Do you only go to it at special times? Or is it in the open? Is there any particular thought or mindset you have when you pass by it or do something with it? Is it just how you would be at any other time in your dwelling?

I guess for me the best altars I've had are either meticulously laid out and organized (in it's own way) or so kept out of my normal vision and living area that it kept a degree of novelty. Though that's been a problem for me as it's been harder to keep that sense of wonder and novelty whenever I become familiar with a setup, just to make a new one.

So how do you treat your altar?

General LHP Discussion / Making it esoteric
« on: December 03, 2017, 12:09:26 pm »
12/7/17 edit: Finally got home so could edit to say that the music and other stuff is just an example. The main question is, is it better for things to be esoteric, or to be more clearly laid out? And if so why and when should it be esoteric and when not?

In the earlier forms of black metal the low production values were used to ward off those without a previous interest in the vision the artists had. I've been thinking about this a lot lately particularly when it comes to my writings and own music.

On one hand, it does that but it also makes it very easy for people to misinterpret it and make it into something it's not. I wonder if in this age when you can easily get a hold of anything on the internet if such an intention is going to backfire.

Then again it's like everyone and their uncle wants to lay out the occult as an instruction manual to varying degrees of success. Perhaps we can blame this trend on Crowley as he was one of the first but I think that it was inevitable given shifts in society and the decline of Christianity.

Still, a large part of me thinks it's safer to at least do this (since some advanced techniques are dangerous). They might be making fools of themselves and the misinformation helps the "real thing" hide and be kept secret. Some things shouldn't be shared. It seems only the tantrics of old, where they still survive understand this. It's impossible to find information on specific things without initiation, things only seen or told in person (such as the secret mantras).


Satanism / Shouldn't Satanism be pro-cosmic?
« on: November 25, 2017, 01:07:43 pm »
edit/note: reason I thought of this was actually a conversation I had yesterday where it came up but it had been on my mind a while too tho

It seems very bizarre to me that anyone would call themselves a Satanist and yet be against, or not believe in the physical Universe. If we are exalting our nature an as much animal as spiritual we have to recognize that we are material beings living in a very real place that isn't just a dreamscape. After all so much of what defines Satan and Satanism is of this world. The Christians, as wrong as they usually are, were at least (although by design) right in calling Satan "The Prince and powers of the air" and "Satan, who is the god of this world". LaVey, who popularized self-identifying religious Satanism personified this as it being "carnal" and inverting the traditionally spiritual pentagram to flip spirituality on it's head. He and many others before and after him also identified the self-denying of the anti-cosmic religions by ascribing pleasure and simply being alive as "sinful" or "unnatural". They wanted to make out the natural and this world to be evil so that people would recoil from it towards their imaginary not-universe plane of "heaven".

(pardon this next part if I make any generalization or misscharacterization, I'm not terribly familiar with Gnosticism).

In my opinion anti-cosmic Satanism has more in common with Gnosticism and Gnosticism to me is just one small step away from Christianity. They already have this undesirable, "evil" Universe they want to escape from. They actually believe that the false god created this world and is the devil. Just like the Christian they wanted to escape and go to a heaven of sorts because this place is just so "evil".

//end disclaimer section///

Anyways to me you can't have Satan without this "world", this Universe. Satan as far as I can ever tell is pro-Cosmic. From the moment I found Satanism pantheism just made sense, I have a hard time imagining what Satan is like without a tie to this Universe and the material. Even more generally just in a translation of the Hebrew "opposition" that's basically how everything in the Universe functions.. action and reaction, opposing forces. Counteracting frictions. It's why the sun's radiation pressure keeps the gravity from collapsing it and the gravity stops the pressure from ripping it apart. It's why when I take a step my feet can propel me and it's the movement and opposing forces of nature and elements that allow a series of resistant materials and conductive logic gates to interact to allow me to type and send this post.

So I don't see how "opposition", or Satan, whatever you want to call it... how it can be anything but cosmic.

Satanism / Hate Isn't the way of the Satanist
« on: November 20, 2017, 10:06:44 am »
Cross post from a debate topic I made on another forum:

Hate is a very strong emotion. Much is made, particularly among certain types, of the fact that humans are both hating and loving creatures. I honestly think such attitudes are rooted in tribalism. Love your friends, hate your enemies. Such has been the battle cry for eons of the warlike religions, political ideologies and governmental entities who sought to expand through violence and forced conversion.

It seems for some they feel as if they should love a few and default to a hateful attitude towards many others. I don't agree. Rather, I'd propose, hate should be rationed just as those like LaVey told the Satanist to ration love in The Satanic Bible (though I'll take this further later on). Hate is a destructive emotion by nature and its liable to backfire if one isn't careful with it.

"But but! Those intolerant, or evil or brainwashing x religion/group!" Well, my dear diabolical friend... simply moving the sword from the right hand to the left hand is still using a sword (see what I did there? :p). I've actually heard Matthew 10:34 and Luke 14:26 used to justify hate mongering, for example. Sadly the trap of hate is one easy to fall into. Those verses, Yeshua bringing a sword to divide, and saying one must hate others to love him, I chose for a reason and not randomly. It's again that tribalism; that old us vs them that's the trap I'm warning against.

I don't consider myself a LaVeyan in any sense, and I will break down a relevant statement in his Satanic Bible and what I disagree with, since this is what I am comparing my position to:

“Love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional aliments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.”  - Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible (1969)

Okay, so love and hate are intense. So far so good.  But the moment he starts talking about indiscriminate love he never contrasts about indiscriminate hate. Yes, I understand that most hateful Satanic types do discriminate, although too often I've seen it be over petty things. There's seems to be something in the id so to speak, that thrives on the release of hating people for stupid crap. This isn't to say this is LaVeyans specifically who do that, funny enough I've seen it with theists quite a lot, but in a lot of ways they take things like this to an extreme and so the passage merited quoting. I picked LaVeyan / Church of Satan out of any other sect as it's one of the few notable groups espousing a view on the pro-hate end of the spectrum. (also funny enough there are more LaVeyan influenced theistic Satanists than first impressions might give otherwise if my online interactions are any indication).

I don't know how we determine who "deserves" hate. What LaVey failed to account for is that since Satanism exalts the subjectivity of the individual there won't be any measure beyond whim for who "deserves" what. Such inclinations in my opinion quickly lend to tyranny of those higher up in the social "stratification" as LaVey's successor Gilmore would put it.

I don't think 99.9% of people can experience "indiscriminate love" but surely an attempt respect for all life is at least on some level rational. Satan is the god of man, of our nature. And there is a part of our nature that does seek to better itself. I'm reminded of an Episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where the Android named Data (who wishes to be a human) says it's not important that he will never become fully human, just important that he is always trying to improve himself. That to me, that constant self improvement, and personal evolution is what is at the heart of humanity and Satanism. So why can't we aim to try to love more? Perhaps even universally so? It might not be possible, but it's surely worth the effort.

LaVey almost made a valid point, but missed the mark when he said "repressed hate" instead of "repressed emotion". Hate itself, from what I've come to understand of it, festers and grows off of itself. And that's the danger. Most people (I hope) don't take out their frustrations on other people or their loved ones. I honestly think LaVey might of been speaking from experience when he spoke on that.

If someone has someone they really dislike causing them trouble they might diffuse the tension with something healthy like a hobby or working out, whatever. But taking it out on a living being? Even loved ones if they can't against the aggressor? Something more is going on there that most well adjusted people don't have (or at least I hope so anyways).

There are times though, I think "hate" of a sort is warranted, but very rarely so. It's too subjective and honestly if something is that malicious one can address the person or situation indifferently and rationally. I also would say that hate is pretty much something people should avoid as much as possible since it uses up energy and effort. Quite literally it's not worth the effort. If they are truly that bad, it's not worth hating and getting worked up over. They don't deserve your hate. That's why I say, who really deserves hate?

A Satanist should seek to improve themselves, not get carried away with those who are against them. That energy is better spent on becoming a better person, a better Satanist, a better human. Maybe Data had a point. Maybe it isn't the fact that one will ever stop hating entirely but just the fact that they won't be consumed or distracted by it as much and can better spend that effort on themselves is all that matters.

And a topic for another time, but nor does that mean one should be self righteous or arrogant in their dismissal of those they now "don't hate" :) Truly not caring is even less than that; it's not having much of an emotional reaction at all.

General LHP Discussion / My thoughts on Fatalism
« on: November 15, 2017, 10:16:14 am »
Who are we to say we do not have a destiny? There isn't any compelling evidence I've ever seen for "free will" and I think all relevant scientific study suggests a deterministic bent to our inherent nature.

Now, I am not so extreme that I would believe in, or argue for determinism. Technically the term for what I believe is "soft determinism" wherein the world is largely deterministic, and we are limited in choice by either our own nature, environmental constraints or pure chance.

In the same way I can't just will myself to run faster than the fastest man in the world, I can't will myself to do something magical, mental or spiritual way beyond my potential current or otherwise.

I would argue that, ultimately, we have only one primary choice in our life: To embrace or deny our destiny.

The funny thing about destiny is that you don't know it until it's happening. Crowley spoke of "true will" as "orbits". Orbits are stable, definite. Yes they do oscillate in distance from the center of mass but where they will be and are is fully deterministic. Crowley I suspect saw it as "falling into" one's orbit, to be where one 'should be.' More or less similar to the ancient idea of destiny.

To Embrace, to accept where you should be, where you would be happy being or where you were "meant" to be. Only an individual can say what and where this is. Funny enough, in a paradoxical way one's destiny might be to deny what appeared to be their destiny, thereby fulfilling it.

That isn't the same though as denying one's destiny. Denying one's destiny will make one miserable, unless being miserable of course was somehow a component of their destiny. I think the distinction between rejected and accepted actually comes down to the proactive involvement of one's self in the pursuit of their personal fulfillment in life.

Yes, I understand people here often believe we have this will that is exerted, as if to forge one's own destiny. I would argue that isn't what is going on, but that those forces are used in the discovery of one's path.

After all... what is DESTINy if not DESTINation? I don't believe the destination is chosen, just the decision to go down that path or not. That destination in my view is determined by one's inner true self but discovered and achieved by magical/spiritual ect means.

Lounge / LHP Chatroom (UPDATED)
« on: November 07, 2017, 10:35:07 pm »
Link to our chat and info:

If you are familiar with IRC (Internet Relay Chat) and want to connect via your own client, we are at #Kapalika on

Channel OPs (admins basically) are Darkpath (Onyx) and RajoGuna (Kapalika).

The channel is intended for: "friends, LHP, Satanists and others into magic(k)" So come check it out. Both small talk and serious discussions are welcome.

We currently link to and in the topic.

If you check it out, feel free to lurk and stick around. If you PM me my client will give desktop alerts so if I'm at the computer I'll notice. On IRC networks it's typical for users to either lurk or have their client logged in 24/7 so if I or others don't respond we might just be asleep or AFK but will still get the PM.

Lounge / funerals and beliefs of the deceased
« on: November 07, 2017, 12:33:12 am »

Satanism / Is image important to satanism?
« on: October 30, 2017, 08:30:45 am »
disclaimer; It's 4:30 AM here, I'm a little sluggish but wanted to get this out. Forgive any grammar, inconsistencies or faulty logic :p Part of the reason I wanted to share this, was to share and refine ideas. Not just my own that's been only in my head until now, but also for you guys to share your ideas and refine them as well. So take from this what you will and in return let me take back from your responses.

Having practiced Satanism for about 7 years now, I can't help but feel that this is a truth for much of Satanism. It seems all major fights in the Satanist "community" or "scene" is usually over what is "true Satanism" and honestly when it comes down to it a lot of the philosophies surrounding it, just seem like mostly ordinary "acceptable" ideas in our culture just focused on more than usual and then dressed up diabolically. It often seems to me that the focus on being more carnal, more intune with self, rejecting ideas of sin and pursuing individualistic fulfillment is only taboo in the context of religiously conservative areas.

A lot of Satanism, in general, it seems to not really fall that much out of the mainstream. But, now hear me here, the necessity of it to fall out of there, also seems to be a thing of image. I feel like something this polarizing has to be about at least some type of internal image since for many it does come down to symbolism no matter how literal you take it. I guess what I'm saying is, when you strip away Satan, all the language and put it in neutral terms, what are we left with?

And how will one Satanist differ from another? Just as two random extremes, A group like the ONA will go for that fit, tough, sinister image and a LaVeyan will go for that clever, powerful and "spooky?" image. Beyond that, they are just people like anyone else. In reality ONA groups has usually (de?)evoled into not much more than hedonistic groups, and LaVeyans are basically just Rand style liberterians. I don't see much serious debate on the ONA sacrificing people since they've never actually done it or if they have, the number is stupidly low (counted on one hand). And LaVeyans have their pentagonal revision which is pretty unrealistic and seemed to just be there to style how the group thinks.

I guess we could even throw the Satanic Temple into the mix. They are kinda weird, in that they do fit the mainstream the most I feel, at least among what I'd consider respectable society. Actually they argue that their beliefs and goals are not so far off from the mainstream as a selling point. Image, I guess, is kind of how I described in the original but having heard what the spokespersons for the group have had to say about Satanism, it seems to be more of a "I don't care what you think" kind of vibe at the same time which seems legit to me since it's never acknowledged or directly implied. I think it's clear the higher ups were clearly Satanists before starting the group from the interviews I've saw and are acting on their beliefs more so than most Satanists ever would. Satanism is important to them in how they see America, it's history of rebels and individualism and have said as such. I feel they are a case where image and action are not dissonant and so the image is backed up by action. It's funny to me that many have said they are not real Satanists when I feel they are the least poser of any of the groups I just mentioned.

I could mention a lot of other groups. There have been countless theist groups and a lot of modern communities but really when I think about all the Satanists I've known in my life part of groups or not most are never *too* radical with their life. Many not even going to the level of other counter cultures such as punk or whatever. Some even dress conservatively and use Satanism as a self image, while having a facade on the outside of respectability.

What I'd really like to see more of, is people aligning their ideas of Satanism [(edit)with their practice] in radical ways. The Satanic Temple is an example of this, and I think it's hilariously awesome. But that's one example. Perhaps the more self-centered types could do more feats like survivalism or huge changes in lifestyle.

I myself, am looking at a realistic possibility I might be able to radically change my lifestyle in such a way, and in the process I've had to consider what is really of substance, what am I really when I strip away the Satanic symbolism? Am I still "Satanic"? I'm not sure how to answer that question but I think, for me, image hasn't been as important, well beyond not being suspected of being criminal that is or any of that SRA moral panic type of thing. That said maybe I'm a little bit hypocritical as I hide the fact I'm a Satanist and hide behind the "Hindu" image rather than just keep it to myself. But I consider that more of a practicality of where I live since being out in the open as a Satanist hasn't worked out the best for me always. Hopefully though I'll be able to change that soon with my radical change of lifestyle in accordance with my values.

Anyways, any thoughts? Opinions? How much do you agree or disagree? I'm not saying that Satanism is all about image, but it seems rather important to many, and the source of much conflict. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.

Lounge / 108th post
« on: September 05, 2017, 05:58:21 am »
I am compulsive and must make my 108th post about 108.

Light beginning that transitions into darkness at the end. I should of totally done 108 repetitions in taht but it wouldn't work out... it's at 108 BPM instead lol. Some context for why the number is important.

I also do Satanic Mantras as well when I do japa, but I didn't do any in this song as my idea for it was it would lead into a Satanic song... be more typical of EDM at first then creep into the real atmosphere...

Pretty different than most of my stuff but whatever. This is more typical:

Gah, I need to get the finished versions on my bandcamp and get that sorted out... soon... soon...

No, actually basically as soon as I fix my monitors I'm doing some tiny tweaks to the masters and releasing an EP and my demo collection at the same time roughly, with a music video a little later that's mostly shot already.

Lounge / Making a chatroom server
« on: September 04, 2017, 05:59:22 pm »
Hey guys, I've been wanting for a while now to make a chatroom or network. I know a lot of people from many different communities who want or need a dedicated chatroom.

I've been looking at options between things like IRC and XMPP and a couple of others I considered but let me know if there is any you regularly use or like.

Unfortunately Discord doesn't look like an option to me at the moment as the company hosts it all itself and you can't leave or join channels just mute them, and there's a few other small issues but I'd consider a way to work it out if people really wanted that.

The idea would be a place with a few different rooms, one for debates, one for general discussions and then people could make or request more specialized rooms. People would be able to leave or join the rooms and requiring passwords on private rooms or being invite only would be optional.

The theme or subject wouldn't necessarily be anything in particular but the type of people who come to this forum is predominantly the kind of people that would be there. I know a lot of people on IRC, here and elsewhere that I know would like a good stable place to chat. Many I've known for years some not as long.

It would be a pretty open and free place, very few rules summed up as nothing illegal, no spam, and no name calling/making fun of other users.

If you guys have any preference or whatever let me know. I already have the hosting sorted out and paid for for the first couple of months it's just a matter of figuring out what software to use and setting it up. I can put more into it if people end up actually using it.

If you are the type to prefer to use your browser, I already own a domain name perfect for the chat's address and on the www page I could embed a decent client if you don't want to bother with getting your own (say Kiwi or qwebirc for IRC, and I know a decent one for XMPP I can't recall the name of atm).

General LHP Discussion / Do I seem like a theist?
« on: August 25, 2017, 08:29:34 am »
I pretty much maintain that I'm a "nontheist" but I don't know if I can really maintain this any longer in the strictest sense.

So I wanted to know what you guys thought based on my previous postings.

I feel like, you know those pictures that look like a lamp or two faces depending on how you look at it? That theism attitudes and atheist attitudes are those two looking at the same thing... and I kinda maintained seeing it as both and so nontheist... but I don't know if I can see it as both anymore. I'm not sure.

I'm still looking at the same thing though, it's my interpretation that feels like it's shifting around.

General LHP Discussion / what to do eclipse totality
« on: August 19, 2017, 10:23:15 pm »
I got to where ill see it. Everything is set in place.

I brought a bunch of magical supplies Id thought id need.

one idea involves my dog who died on a new moon on the winter solstice and i did a big ritual for on a super blood moon. I got a bunch of his bones with me. I think I could use this event for something involving him. He seems to be tied to moon events.

Or I could do something totally different. That's the only idea I got so far other than some vague sense of something to do with Kali or my general concept of Darkness.

Or maybe just enjoy it and get lost in worship and hope to get some special spontaneous religious or spiritual insight.


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