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Lounge / my first ever DJ show and a moment of magic

« on: November 01, 2019, 06:34:58 am »

there was maybe 3 dozen different people I saw, nothing huge, a friend working at the local LGBT center asked me to for their Halloween event.

I posted some photos on my facebook page (have a few more too and video but kept that on my personal page for privacy) but the most interesting one I wanted to show was the one below.

My friend who had me do the DJing asked how i had "lit up" the copy of Simon's Necronomicon and I was dumbfounded, but saw an opportunity and said "black magic!" right as a darn person who had been hanging all day pointed out that the light just lit it up. I was surprised as I had placed the book down long before the main lights went off, let alone before the strobe light came on.

Well lo and behold later when I look at my pictures... indeed whenever it changed from red lights to blue and green, one of the green lights PERFECTLY lit up the sigil. I just put it there with the cobwebs and a couple of other things to complete the spooky look (since the name evokes Lovecraft) for the spooky setlist... little did I know there might of been some form of real, subtle magic going on haha



Admin Note: I fixed the Facebook link, and since the image is a link (rather than an attachment), if you want to see the full-resolution of the image just right-click and select "open in new tab" or whatever. Nice lighting setup @Kapalika. -Onyx

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Satanism / "Satan is..."

« on: August 08, 2019, 11:03:09 am »

Something I thought of to put succinctly the sphere and symbolic relation of Satan to one's practice and beliefs. Share yours below or thoughts on the idea.

Format


"Satan is  (one word)"


My own:


Satan is Perseverance.
Satan is Power.
Satan is Empowerment.
Satan is Truth.
Satan is Cosmic.
Satan is Chaos.
Satan is Individualism.
Satan is Freedom.
Satan is Discipline.
Satan is Self-Mastery.
Satan is Defiance.
Satan is Carnality.
Satan is Spirituality.
Satan is Opposites.
Satan is Duality.
Satan is Nonduality.
Satan is Destruction.
Satan is Creation.
Satan is Essence.
Satan is Self.
Satan is Reflection.
Satan is Wrath.
Satan is God.


I could probably think of more but those are the ones that come to mind. Some might seem redundant but English is kinda vague at times and many I'd see differences in (ie self mastery might be more skill related where as discipline is more about having self control and healthy habits that foster self mastery, both of which play into personal power ect)

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General LHP Discussion / Animal sacrifice

« on: April 11, 2019, 11:21:04 am »

This came up with an IRL friend, but I find it hypocritical for someone to be against animal sacrifice if they eat meat.


To me, if you eat an animal, you might a well of killed it yourself, and if you are willing to kill it yourself, what more is it to attach a ritual and religious significance to it? Now, I'm not saying that the so called "dabbler" who goes out and kills for thrill is somehow doing something valid... like any ritual the context, theology and symbolism are paramount. It is the purpose and direction of the act that matters. In most contexts, this will be offering the blood or the death throes to some symbol or deity, while the meat itself goes to the practitioner to eat. This is more in line with certain types of historical sacrifices.


The other option is vegetarianism, butI personally don't really have any interest in that and I think most people don't either.


Thoughts?

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Lounge / just got a job!

« on: March 22, 2019, 12:29:28 am »

For those who don't know, I've been homeless since January.

Just got a call today though, after an interview, offering me the job. I go in tomorrow for paperwork and background check.

I posted some about the situation on my site at one point, I think before I got into an apartment. I was homeless for 3 weeks when I first moved due to the first apartment leading us on, then I was in a place with the original intended roommate but was given 2 months to get a job but it was a bad time of year to be hunting for what I was after. I don't have a lot of credit history and I have no rent history since I had a verbal deal with the person owning the Ranch I lived on my entire adult life hence they required I also have a job in addition to the roommate (they wouldn't accept my self-employment as verifiable income since I just started again and thus had no tax returns to show for it)

But now with a job, based on what I was told before, the place I was staying at before with my last roommate should let me on the lease now if I go back, from what I understand. If not, I'll find another apartment there are a couple of people looking for roommates at the moment I can hit up to find a place with, people in similar situations.


Anyways, just glad I got it, as I can now climb out of this.

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Satanism / I am Hatred...

« on: March 03, 2019, 05:23:07 am »

...Darkness and Despair.

My descent is the story of every man.

Evoked and entertained through centuries
Wrathful and sullen--dormant still
The ferocity pervades everywhere
Waiting to be released at last

Reconcile not with the fear of the snake
But embrace it as your own
Inject it's venom into your veins
And replant the seed that gives growth
Still shrouded in mystery
Until you arise above perception
A veil of ignorance is in motion
Continuing throughout generations

A veil of ignorance is in motion
Continuing throughout multiple generations
Let me be the one that deliver you from the deceit
And back into perfect accordance with the laws of nature

The snake is notoriously tempting
But the snake is fair
What is worse than not knowing?
To live or disappear?
The ferocity pervades everywhere
Waiting to be released at last
Hear my offering
Ye bastard sons and daughters
Share my sacrifice
Share my sacrifice

That chick from Seven Spires, her Cover version is better than the original IMO. Discuss the lyrical content please. I see it as Jungian with the story of Satan as the adverserial agent of knowledge and freedom to bring in tune and return the conscious mind to the true most innate self. To me, this fits perfectly with Shaivite view of ignorance and knowledge of the supreme Subjective Self as being liberation.

As I say, "Satan is the only Truth". Darkness as the way of Enlightenment. Vamachara.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCwDlmiudp0

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General LHP Discussion / Do you believe in spirits?

« on: March 03, 2019, 05:11:54 am »

Things outside of us, not just metaphor or a part of your psyche, but independently existing entities that you can interact with?


Are they self aware? What is the limit or capacity of their abilities, both to themselves, the world around them, each other and to us?

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General LHP Discussion / suicide

« on: February 25, 2019, 05:30:04 am »

Is suicide a right?

In what, if any, situations is suicide rational?

Today I read this article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201205/can-it-be-right-commit-suicide

And was surprised to learn that laws against suicide and general public attitudes actually stem from Christian tradition which teaches that the person belongs to Yahweh and hence to commit suicide is to commit a sin against that god.

However, as rational LHP folks who generally accept that the individual will is sovereign, what if that will is to end one's life after much rational thought on the matter? What if they were to set out to do what they wished to accomplish in life, and upon being satisfied with the result, ended their life feeling they have fulfilled their purpose?

Also, if you believe in any kind of afterlife or apotheosis, could any desirable end or god-hood be attained through a ritual wherein the suicide was the height of it? Supposedly thereby accomplishing the goal?

What rational, LHP based arguments are there for or against suicide in various instances?

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Satanism / what does satan look like?

« on: February 15, 2019, 11:42:17 pm »

To me, it's an incomprehensible mess of black and color, completely eldritch. I often have no visualization of Satan however, it is something felt rather than seen, like a feeling in the blood.


Something with the title, darkishly angelic, like Death itself. Ancient depictions of angels were terrifying, and we would if seeing their depiction now days, call them demonic. After all for some mythos demons were just angels who "fell". Their appearances wouldn't be that terribly different if at all.

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General LHP Discussion / Are humans inherently selfish?

« on: February 10, 2019, 07:08:46 am »

An article on the subject, based one experiments:


https://www.livescience.com/57991-conflicts-of-interest-science-humans-selfish-cooperation.html

Not wanting this to be political just want to talk about it because I feel that cooperation is just as important as selfishness. It came up in a discussion about Satanism as a carnal religion based on selfishness.

In other words, the debate is if people are generally more selfish or cooperative. Personally I think it's a mix and as the article points out it can even be situational!

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Lounge / satanist friends irl

« on: February 09, 2019, 02:15:14 pm »

Know any? I met one recently in my town by chance, and we ended up talking for like 6 hours about stuff last night. They are basically a LaVey flavor (in the vein of straight up LaVey) but all the same we had a good bit in common.


This has made me crave to talk to more Satanists in person... and I'm wondering if any of ya'll know any and how that all goes. I'm thinking of making a meetup or something perhaps to try to draw them out of the woodworks in my city.

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Satanism / back and forth...

« on: February 08, 2019, 12:39:17 am »

As much as I like to think of myself a certain way, I tend to have a fairly strong conscience. I was with a friend the other day and they asked if I was going to steal a pillow from the motel I was staying at (as I needed a new one) and I remarked somewhat offended that no, because I'm not a thief.


That's just a small example; more-so say when it comes to something like curses, in Satanism it's mostly accepted as okay as a form of Lex Talonis but I usually have an aversion to it. I prefer to deal with things diplomatically and I feel bad even when I have every right to revenge or retaliation. I don't like to hurt people and I find I have a very strong empathetic reaction to physical pain that I can't really shut off. I find myself wanting to help others and that has hurt me in the past when I've been taken advantage of.


I am self centered though, and things tend to revolve around what I like, and what I want to do. I hate asking for help but I'll take it if offered, not usually asking for it.


On the topic of Dharma... it's said that duty to mankind first, then nation, then society, then family then lastly the self. I don't always agree with this, putting family (apart from nepotism) first, then self second, then mankind, nation and society (might flip those last two). I think that if families took care of one another that our selves would be more fully realized.


Maybe I could explain better, but concisely, Satanic morality and values at times conflict with Hindu ideas of ethics and karma and Dharma... as I'm looking into writing a short book on my beliefs (looking at 100 pages atm) I keep finding I can't find any good way to reconcile this aspect. It's something that's hounded me ever since i Mixed the two. Otherwise they fit pretty much perfectly, but morality and ethics they conflict at. Hindu is a very "good of the many" kind of set of religions, even when it's LHP, even though the focus is inwards and on the self, there is still a moral foundation on doing no harm unless it's necessary to protect others and doing good for others and not abusing your magical powers.


Anyways, just hoping if anyone could offer thoughts on the subject.

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General LHP Discussion / Proof Satan / Prince of Darkness is Nature

« on: January 29, 2019, 08:14:24 pm »

Okay, hear me out here.

So I've heard it said that the Prince of Darkness is unnatural, gives us unnatural abilities ect because it defies the physical (natural) world.

Well, I've countless times here and on my site and elsewhere made a point (too many to link them all snippets or otherwise) that Satan is "Opposition" and that I think this quality is inherent in everything that exists.

Well, I ponder everyone this, for those who see Satan/Set/whatever as inherently unnatural... if it is unnatural (and thus opposing the natural) would it not then be acting on the quality of Opposition? "Nature" is an "inherent feature characteristic of something" and it is in this way that I speak of Nature.

If Satan is the very essence of Nature (and all reality/existence itself) then opposing something in a seemingly unnatural way is... also nature lol.

Now, of course, if we give the inherent characteristic of all of existence SOME OTHER quality, this of course wouldn't work, it would all be unnatural as clearly there is something going on that is radically different.

But I've also touched on how we can think of Satan, if he is truly nature, as that force which splits singular oneness into duality and thus us as "isolated consciousness". I've also mentioned i don't know how many times, that in Kashmir Shaivism that this does come full circle, but that the scriptures relevant to this sect reconcile an individualized-retaining nondualism that isn't true monism yet not true dualism (it's not emenationism per se, traditionally speaking but kind of similar in my opinion, "Spanda" is the term I think most applicable here if we use traditional ideas).

This starts to make more sense when we consider that the highest reality is realizing our Supreme Subjective Self (higher self?) as identitical with "Shiva" in that tradition, who is the creator, destroyer and preserver... thus The Supreme Subjective Self is God. We often speak of apothesis, becoming gods... welp there it is, 1,200 years prior.

And get this, this idea didn't come out of nowhere. Kashmir Shaivism was born out of the Kapalikas' tradition, which was one of the earlier Left Hand Path sects of Tantra. Imitation of deities was a core feature... because welp they wanted to become gods. They believed in liberation as a kind of eternal, sexual like bliss.

In that state, the objective (physical universe, "nature" as we could call it) becomes the expression, under the direct influence and exerted Will of the Subject (the Self, the "unnatural" we could call it).

But again... this is to be expected, since the inherent Satan-ness is Opposition! It is... dare I say, within our nature to oppose the natural because our nature is "unnatural" (although clearly I see "unnatural" as a misnomer).

And if even despite that, actually because of that we share the same innate quality, then the natural (physical) world is just an extension of ourselves... if Greater Black Magic is self directed evolution, then that could apply to the physical world as well at sufficient degrees of magical adeptness.

In Kashmir Shaivism this is said to be when Shakti becomes the expression of Shiva... the Objective (physical) is at the whim of the magician (Self/Shiva/Subjective).

So... everything is natural and also unnatural (since it opposes the nature preceding it) except for the original, untainted pure nondual, singular essence of "Satan". Thus Satan is nature in the purest sense, since nothing else precedes it. It is also that which births unnatural... because what else could it do? That was it's nature to Oppose itself.

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Sorry if this is over explaining or repeating some points, just really wanted to make it clear and "click". Sometimes I think disagreements here come from miscommunications or semantics and curious to see what might be said if  I were to break through some of those language barriers.

Ha! 666 words in this post!

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General LHP Discussion / Actual magical spells and such

« on: January 28, 2019, 05:31:21 am »

Well I didn't realize that I was working with a different (although not noninclusive of what people were saying) definition of greater magic or magic in general.

So does anyone here actually believe in like rituals and magic and spells and such to in some "spooky" way (supernatural, preternatural, just not "normal" or natural or scientifically understood or understandable at this moment) way of affecting people and events without them knowing about the ritual or spell?

To point towards *some* source, LaVey said in TSB that those who scoff at destruction rituals are the most ssupetible to being killed by it as they prepare no defenses.

Therefore, never attempt to convince the skeptic upon whom you wish to place a curse. Allow him to scoff. To enlighten him would lessen your chance of success. Listen with benign assurance as he laughs at your magic, knowing his days are filled with turmoil all the while. If he is despicable enough, by Satan's grace, he might even die - laughing!

I also in the other topic posted the definition from TSB:

The change in situations or events in accordance with one's will, which would, using normally accepted methods, be unchangable." This admittedly leaves a large area for personal interpretation. It will be said, by some, that these instructions and procedures are nothing more than applied psychology, or scientific fact, called by "magical" terminology - until they arrive at a passage in the text that is "based on no known scientific finding".

While he does bring up the interpretation bit, there are little snippets here and there that indicate something magical in the old sense of the word, spooky, if you will, is going on that isn't just based on yourself but seriously projecting your will into the world as a literal force that affects events and people whether they know or believe it or not.

And this is my own definition from my site:

"7. Beings may engage in lesser or greater magic. Lesser magic is the focused intent of symbolism and action to affect the world through normal means. Greater magic is the focused intent of symbolism and spiritual ability to affect the world through preternatural means."

And for ages Diane Vera's site has had in various places information on "real magic" so to speak. Even Venus Satanas's book on Satanic prayer says that it's meant to help you (although more so as as supplement to action) but it's always given me this "there is more to it than just psychology" feel with how she describes Satan as a "force". I'd assume this "force" is directed by the Satanist and that it's not merely metaphor, given how she styles herself and from personal talks with her about spells she has done.

I've also talked with many other theistic Satanists and the like who do believe in these kinds of spells ect. snd it's a pretty accepted belief from what I can tell. So what I'm asking is... does anyone here actually believe in this or practice this? I personally have over the years but am very reserved about it, even being skeptical at times but more or less settled on it being real just me not being the greatest at it (lol).

So do you? Believe in this kind of magic?

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General LHP Discussion / When to use greater black magic?

« on: January 27, 2019, 07:01:35 am »

At what point do you decide you should resort to black magic instead of trying to solve things through mundane means? Always/often as a supplement, only when mundane options are exhausted, or usually early on?


Do you think the frequency of employing it has any effect on it's overall efficiency?


Edit: my question fits better here http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?topic=1110.0

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General LHP Discussion / "God"

« on: January 26, 2019, 12:15:57 am »

Sometimes I use this term but it's kind of a misnomer.

I basically use it to mean different things in different contexts. To connotate divinity or reverence, to talk about the Universe as a singular force, or to personify something as a deity like force or archetype among some other uses I can't think of at the moment.

Either pantheist or transtheist fit how I use the term overall perhaps, but I use it with a polytheistic flavor in those definitions as well to refer to unhuman intelligences that may or may not exist independent of us.

Do you use the term for anything?