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General LHP Discussion / Re: Thoughts on death
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:22:19 pm »
I've actually been thinking of trying some past-life therapy, honestly.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Thoughts on death
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:20:57 pm »
I'm sorry about your loss, @Deidre.

I recently expereinced the loss of my grandmother as well so if you ever need to talk, feel free to since I can relate.

Death is weird topic for me, I don't know how to process it. I've always been morbid and viewed it differently. It's not as big of a deal to me as it is to others but at the same time, it's still a huge deal.

I don't think I've properly processed the concept because my emotions and beliefs on it change radically but its not a shift I'm *in control* or like my othe shifts of conciousness.

I used to think the big nothing was preferrable to any afterlife when I was really depressed. I'm really out of that phase and mortality is kind of, scary at times, again but I try keep a memento mori around. I can have no definitive belief on the after-life, but I like the idea of reincarnation- that one makes the most sense to me and gives me comfort.

Nonetheless, I hopre you're doing alright.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP?
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:13:37 pm »
@Frater V.I.M.  I would agree with your school of thought, I always viewed Crowley as a trickster archetype. While I'm not a huge fan of the man(other than being a thelemite), I fucking love his sense of humor. That seems like a very Crowley thing to do.

He also seemed to take great joy in subversion. Like when he gave an explanation for why his name The Great Beast 666 roughly translates to "little sunshine" in court.

Journals / Re: Journal of King Mob
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:10:26 pm »
@Deidre  Thank you! That's actually pretty meaningful to hear since it's from my favorite (living) artist's illustrations for my favorite story. :) It's his take on Dr. Frankenstein.



General LHP Discussion / Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP?
« on: December 12, 2017, 06:15:16 pm »
@Mindmaster  gets it right. This is the entire point of the Thelemic system but I see it more as a metaphor for change in your own system. Anyone here can correct me if I'm wrong but I see it as this:

You cross the abyss to  reachThe "Godhead" behind your various personalities like when you invoke Mars, or whatever. This is akin to the Bornless One. Choronzon is your desparation to hold on to this various different conflicting personlaities as one identity.  Upon crossing it, you reconcile all as part of you, kind of like emmanations, similar to the Kabbalistic map of the soul.

When you achieve this interpretation of yourself, there is a sort of peacefulness that makes you feel more at one with the universe.

This is why Golden Dawn rituals were still used "About the pentagram (microcosm) and WITHIN me the 6 rayed star(macrocosm)." 

Crowley was confused about it because Thelema is completely individual in nature. The Book of the Law led to two seperate solutions of the equation; one delcaring the Aeon of Set and the other the Aeon of Ma'at(which would later manifest through someone else who didn't solve the equation.) Then there's the Typhonian current. I'd even call chaos magick a splinter from that and probably more in line with the philosophy than most.

This is what happens when the law is Do what Thou Wilt, even when taking into account True Will.

And Crowley was constantly shifting between paradigms: look at his many different interpretations of Goetia. Also, I think even most Thelemites would disagree with him. It's important to make the distinction between Thelema and Crowleyanity.

Journals / Re: Journal of King Mob
« on: December 12, 2017, 02:35:18 pm »
Some big things are gearing up. I'm reading Peter J Carrol's Apophenia so that I have a new, fresh paradigm. It's really interesting and give me a lot to think about thus far. It's always great to have new angles and someone say "hey, even the one thing you thought you were right about- that could be completely fucking wrong."

This is giving me the incentive to be more bold and expirimental with my rituals. Sure, one approach may work and we theorize it may be for this reason? But how do you know unless you approach it from multiple angles and try different things. You shouldn't abritrarily deny anything based on reputation alone or meaningless distinctions imposed on humanity. This will make all magick, particularly evocation and invocation, more much more exciting and interesting.

My current subparadigm/asthetic is still Draco-Thelemic choosing which imagery/ritual style I prefer in the moment. Almost have all the materials needed to prep my Enochian stuff. I'm really gearing up for a ton of Babalon workings honestly. I am using this motivation to refine the earlier heads of the Dragon as well. This will all serve me when going forward with the Draconic work in latter heads.

Not quite sure where you're coming from with the school curriculum and disney movies. There's been an increasing ammount of male demographic Disney movies since the 90's (second Disney renaissance as it's often termed) and the focus of my classes are predominantly male focused (which is natural due all of their ties with history). I think there's a general culture of victimhood not just among one subsect, but all of them. Identity politics seem to be built off of playing the victim. South Park has a good commentary on it recently. You see it on every side of the political specture and with every ideology and it's become a reason why politics are so well, turbulent right now. Again, I'm against them because I don't want to be a slave to any god, including ideologies. I don't want to have any biases of filters of the world except when I choose to.

As a chaos magician, I know how easy it is to make yourself believe in any illusions and be absolutely convinced that apophenia and paradoleia is evidence when it's not. As a thelemite and philosopher, the only duality I make sure to distinguish from is master and slave morality. As someone studying social sciences, I strive to remain objective and scientific as possible when analyzing trends.

It's because of all this I try to distance myself from identity politics. I don't want to live my life afraid of others, blaming others, etc. when I can just learn to get shit done myself which includes understanding others to find paths of least resistance.

I also find that most people interested in a relationship, man or women, don't want to actively listen unless you're telling them what they want to hear. People can be upset at that, and that's fine, but I choose to view it as a way to play new roles while remaining genuine and hopefully finding someone that is a bit harder to woo as a muse.

One of my issues in relationships, on my side, is finding people too predictible in relationships due to intuition. Honestly, I was too until I forced myself out of my comfort zone.

@Cabshear  I'm rather apolitical and see all identity politics as Old Aeon ideas. I'd say everything has an equal and opposite reaction so criticizing anything will be met with resistance if you do it to the right person. 

I try to remain as unbiased as possible. Partially due to my mysticism(balancing ideas against one another), partially due to my studies for my future career (objectivity), partially due to furthering my will(if I get visibly upset over something people now have a concrete judgement of me and an exploitable weakness)- the only times I've reacted to political discussion to hypothesize in a what-if speculation. To me, -this- is how you play the role of the serpent with the apple. Plant seeds of free thinking, never your own idea (although they may be spliced in) and present contradictory ideas. You're never voicing your opinion in this(at least not apparently) which makes it more intriguing, people might pay attention due to assuming you're leaving hints. 

The open minded ones will have a look of "huh" on their face that might manifest into something latter and shows who has a healthily open but guarded mind. The weak ones will start an argument and you now know how weak their mind is and which ideologies they are manipulated by.  :)

I'm an sociology major with a concetration in anthropology so I have very different roles of everything you said. I think white knights just kind of have a desperate vibe that comes with coming off too strong. Maybe with too many people of the desired sex to make the one they're talking to not feel unique. This is good to analyze because in today's world of social media- you might have to know how to catch someone's attention while not being desperate and it can be a hard balance. And be aware of who can see it.

 I've known men, including myself, to play the similar role of wanting what you can't have in relationships- I think it's human nature. I also think people idealize and de-idealize significant too much because of passions. It's fine to be passionate but you should enjoy the passion swings the other way as well and goes into a "negative" phase or be cold enough to not care. Not for any ethical reason, but to assure that you always enjoy the game of life.

Sociology is difficult because most of us only have anecdotal evidence. For example, you seem to find an abundance of women in powerful social roles whereas I can't find nearly enough. That doesn't create any concrete truth we can speak generally about. In addition to bias; demographic, location, age, etc. can skew this kind of evidence and people are still individuals at the end of the day. They desparately want to give this up- hence identity politics but they want to hold on to it just enough to remain in control again, hence identity politics so individualism will come into play always.

IMO, Sartre's Being and Non-Being is key to understanding the psychological and sociality behind human relationships, it seems to be stunningly accurate.

Once you take this into account, in all the situations you mentioned- who's being the manipulator and in power can change drastically. Again, I'd point to the Psychopath's Bible of understanding what people want and exploiting it by giving it to them. :) Even though it's written as the tongue-in-cheek satire of the prince convicing one to be nice, it's got really good points of social contracts. Understanding one's identity politics is akin to understanding social needs.

Sometimes letting people take advantage of you is actually a means to control, if you're smart enough about it. Not just romantically- but in day to day life and friendships and aquaitences due to social contracts.

Satanism / Re: Extending Lesser Magic
« on: December 12, 2017, 10:54:23 am »
But really great post and thread, I'm gonna have to read How To Win Friends next.

While we're on the subject of the Devil's Notebook, does anyone have experience with Lavey's synthesizer clock and have opinions on it?

Satanism / Re: Extending Lesser Magic
« on: December 12, 2017, 10:51:28 am »
I agree with everything you said. I'd just like to add that there's a difference between satement piece over-the-top and cringely over the top if you are good enough at fashion.

Yeah, I avoid stuff like Satanic Motherfucker like a plague but they have some cool thinly vieled or obscure references like the owl shirt that's really esoteric and asthetic but makes no sense to most people.

As for statement pieces, THIS is rediculously over the top one should normally avoid. However, it's just trendy enough to make a good statement piece at a party with some kind of hipster crowd or maybe a concert. I've oddly seen religious symbols(more buddhist and eastern than occult) catching on in that trend lately as well which makes them less taboo and gothic if you're younger. Might have to do with the black/white split pattern gaining in popularity. There's actually huge cross-over between Nugoth and Hipster trends right now.

I used to have a DIY Punk vest I was younger that was particularly charming even though it's crude and counter-culture. The biggest key to statement pieces is being incredibly comfortable in them, maybe even more comfortable than normally more-so than what they actually are, in my experience.

Google has tons of information on -normal- statement pieces. My only advice for it in LBM make it unique and eye-catching. They should be conversation starters. You can still definitely use them when dressing down.

General LHP Discussion / Re: Lore on Lilith (Demon Goddess/Wife of Satan)
« on: December 11, 2017, 01:45:49 pm »
It has become clear I need to study Lilith and Lucifer more. I wonder if in the movie Mother, Mother Nature could also be Lilith? That would be a very intriguing Gnostic interpretation of the bible and give a lot to think of.

Also, here's some Babalon stuff channeled by Jack Parsons.


1. Yea, it is I, BABALON.
2. And this is my book, that is the fourth chapter of the Book of the Law, He completing the Name, for I am out of NUIT by HORUS, the incestuous sister of RA-HOOR-KHUIT.
3. It is BABALON. TIME IS. Ye fools.
4. Thou hast called me, oh accursed and beloved fool.
5-8. (Missing and presumed lost. Ed.)
9. Now know that I, BABALON, would take flesh and come among men.
10. I will come as a penelous (sic) flame, as a devious song, a trumpet in judgement halls, a banner before armies.
11. And gather my children unto me, for THE TIME is at hand.
12. And this is the way of my incarnation. Heed!
13. Thou shalt offer all thou art and all thou hast at my altar, witholding nothing. And thou shalt be smitten full sore and thereafter thou shalt be outcast and accursed, a lonely wanderer in abominable places.
14. Ye Dare. I have asked of none other, nor have they asked. Else is vain. But thou hast willed it.
15. Know then that thus I came to thee before, thou a great Lord, and I a maid enrapt. Ah blind folly.
16. And thereafter madness, all in vain. Thus it has been, multi- form. How thou hast burned beyond.
17. I shall come again, in the form thou knowest. Now it shall be thy blood.
18. The altar is aright, and the robe.
19. The perfume is sandal, and the cloth green and gold. There is my cup, our book, and thy dagger.
20. There is a flame.
21. The sigil of devotion. Be it consecrated, be it true, be it daily affirmed. I am not scorned. Thy love is to me. Procure a disk of copper, in diameter three inches paint thereon the field blue the star gold of me, BABALON.
22. It shall be my talisman. Consecrate with the supreme rituals of the word and the cup.
23. My calls as thou knowest. All love songs are of me. Also seek me in the Seventh Aire.
24. This for a time appointed. Seek not the end, I shall instruct thee in my way. But be true. Would it be hard if I were thy lover, and before thee? But I am thy lover and I am with thee.
25. I shall provide a vessel, when or whence I say not. Seek her not, call her not. Let her declare. Ask nothing. Keep silence. There shall be ordeals.
26. My vessel must be perfect. This is the way of her perfection.
27. The working is of nine moons.
28. The Astarte working, with music and feasting, with wine and all arts of love.
29. Let her be dedicated, consecrated, blood to blood, heart to heart, mind to mind, single in will, none without the circle, all to me.
30. And she shall wander in the witchwood under the Night of Pan, and know the mysteries of the Goat and the Serpent, and of the children that are hidden away.
31. I will provide the place and the material basis, thou the tears and blood.
32. Is it difficult, between matter and spirit? For me it is ecstacy and agony untellable. But I am with thee. I have large strength, have thou likewise.
33. Thou shalt prepare my book for her instruction, also thou shalt teach that she may have captains and adepts in her service. Yea, thou shalt take the black pilgrimage, but it will not be thou that returnest.
34. Let her prepare her work according to my voice in her heart, with thy book as guide, and none other instructing.
35. And let her be in all things wise, and sure, and excellent.
36. But let her think on this: my way is not in the solemn ways, or in the reasoned ways, but in the wild free way of the eagle, and the devious way of the serpent, and the oblique way of the factor unknown and unnumbered.
37. For I am BABALON, and she my daughter, unique, and there shall be no other women like her.
38. In My Name shall she have all power, and all men and excel- lent things, and kings and captains and the secret ones at her command.
39. The first servants are chosen in secret, by my force in her--a captain, a lawyer, an agitator, a rebel--I shall provide.
40. Call me, my daughter, and I shall come to thee. Thou shalt be full of my force and fire, my passion and power shall surround and inspire thee; my voice in thee shall judge nations.
41. None shall resist thee, whom I lovest. Though they call thee harlot and whore, shameless, false, evil, these words shall be blood in their mouths, and dust thereafter.
42. But my children will know thee and love thee, and this will make them free.
43. All is in thy hands, all power, all hope, all future.
44. One came as a man, and was weak and failed.
45. One came as a woman, and was foolish, and failed.
46. But thou art beyond man and woman, my star is in thee, and thou shalt avail.
47. Even now thy hour strikes upon the clock of my FATHER. For He prepared a banquet and a Bridal Bed. I was that Bride, appointed from the beginning, as it was written T.O.P.A.N.
48. Now is the hour of birth at hand. Now shall my adept be crucified in the Basilisk abode. 49. Thy tears, thy sweat, thy blood, thy semen, thy love, thy faith shall provide. Ah, I shall drain thee like the cup that is of me, BABALON.
50. Stand thou fast, and I shall pass the first veil to speak with thee, through the stars shake. 51. Stand thou fast, and I shall pass the second veil, while God and Jesus be smitten with the sword of HORUS.
52. Stand thou fast, and I shall pass the third veil, and the shapes of hell shall be turned again to loveliness.
53. For thy sake shall I stride through the flames of Hell, though my tongue be bitten through.
54. Let me behold thee naked and lusting after me, calling upon my name.
55. Let me receive all thy manhood within my Cup, climax upon climax, joy upon joy.
56. Yea, we shall conquer death and Hell together.
57. And the earth is mine.
58. Thou shalt (make the?) Black Pilgrimage.
59. Yea it is even I BABALON and I SHALL BE FREE. Thou fool, be thou also free of sentimentality. Am I thy village queen and thou a sophomore, that thou shouldst have thy nose in my buttocks?
60. It is I, BABALON, ye fools, MY TIME is come, and this my book that my adept prepares is the book of BABALON.
61. Yea, my adept, the Black Pilgrimage. Thou shalt be accursed, and this is the nature of the curse. Thou shalt publish the secret matter of the adepts thou knowest, witholding no word of it, in an appendix to this my Book. So they shall cry fool, liar, sot, traducer, betrayer. Thou art not glad thou meddled with magick?
62. There is no other way, dear fool, it is the eleventh hour.
63. The seal of my Brother is upon the earth, and His Avatar is before you. There is threshing of wheat and a trampling of grapes that shall not cease until the truth be known unto the least of men.
64. But you who do not accept, you who see beyond, reach out your hands my children and reap the world in the hour of your harvest.
65. Gather together in the covens as of old, whose number is eleven, that is also my number. Gather together in public, in song and dance and festival. Gather together in secret, be naked and shameless and rejoice in my name.
66. Work your spells by the mode of my book, practicing secretly, inducing the supreme spell.
67. The work of the image, and the potion and the charm, the work of the spider and the snake, and the little ones that go in the dark, this is your work.
68. Who loves not hates, who hates fears, let him taste fear.
69. This is the way of it, star, star. Burning bright, moon, witch moon.
70. You the secret, the outcast, the accursed and despised, even you that gathered privily of old in my rites under the moon.
71. You the free, the wild, the untamed, that walk now alone and forlorn.
72. Behold, my Brother cracks the world like a nut for your eating.
73. Yea, my Father has made a house for you, and my Mother has prepared a Bridal Bed. My Brother has confounded your enemies.
74. I am the Bride appointed. Come ye to the nuptials--come ye now!
75. My joy is the joy of eternity, and my laughter is the drunken laughter of a harlot in the house of ecstasy.
76. All you loves are sacred, pledge them all to me.
77. Set my star upon your banners and go forward in joy and victory. None shall deny you, and none shall stand before you, because of the Sword of my Brother. Invoke me, call upon me, call me in your convocations and rituals, call upon me in your loves and battles in my name BABALON, wherein is all power given!

Full document found here:

General LHP Discussion / Re: Lore on Lilith (Demon Goddess/Wife of Satan)
« on: December 10, 2017, 11:02:56 pm »
Welcome! It's nice to have you around!

Jesus, I'm having a lot of synchronicity on this topic today. Well, yesterday and today. And within the past 5 minutes.  :huh:

So this is gonna be one of the rare instances where my Thelemic beliefs take the fore-front as my understanding of her is of Babalon who can be seein in the Lust card riding a strange beast. Oddly, I've seen most of this archetype relate more to Binah and Yesod (Saturn and Moon) more than Qlipoth but there's definitely a Qlipothic are to some of them.

Lilith, Babalon, Hekate, Gullveig, possibly Freyja, Ishtar, it goes on. I quite like the 3 faced takes but Babalon I see as the true archetype. Babalon comes from The Vision and The Voice in which Crowley scryed the 30 Enochian aethyrs. What is interesting about this is that the Angels precded from Babalon as well.

In the Thelemic system, Babalon is the great and terrible mother, the whore of Babylon, and so on. She's the mother of abominations and one must offer their own head to her symbolically if they wish to cross the Abyss.

Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard(who Crowley warned Parsons about) performed The Babalon Working to try to manifest her in flesh. Parsons was convinced the women who showed up shortly and he would later marry was the daughter of Babalon.

If Babalon can have an avatar/daugher (so called Scarlet Women) varies on who's talking. Crowley had a number of women he thought were his Scarlet Woman and they each inspired him in some way.

While Crowley can be sexist and his use of blbical language is no help, Babalon extremely dominant. She's unrelenting and cold and does not offer to meet in the middle. She's unwaivering. But this isn't a bad thing, it's inspiration.

I personally adhere to Kelly's view in his Draconian philosophy. That the desire for Babalon is the desire for immortality, he has some kind of philosophical argument I can't recall right now. So if one pursues her, and tries to win her love, he will achieve the immortality he seeks. The Scarlet Women may speak through a number of avatars, it doesn't nesecarrily have to be a lover. It might be a waitress resebling your personal scarlet women that says something insightful. I think he speculates she can take the image of a man for straight women and gay men as well, which is why the hermaphrodite image of Satan and Lilith you mention are interesting to me.

The Sephiroth Yesod is often associated with hermaphrodite as well since Hod (Mercury) and Netzach (Venus) create that one.

To go back to Pagan imagery, Hekate and Gullveig both have the 3 faces imagery. Gullveig thrice burned with a new form each time. Hekate's more associated with the moon. They're also related to necromancy, dead, and some qlipothic stuff. So again, we have the Saturn imagery and the Yesod imagery which are both gate ways between worlds in their own perspective (Yesod being astral in nature). The abyss needed to reach Binah/Saturn as well as Yesod(Moon) are 2 of the 3 gates to the Qlipoth.

Of course, you can't fit everything into syncretism and all these deities are DRAMATICALLY different but the archetype is usually distilled down to these similarities.

Lounge / Re: Last Movie You Watched
« on: December 10, 2017, 01:52:01 pm »
I've been meaning to rewatch Ninth Gate for so long. I haven't seen it 7 years or so.

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