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Setianism / Re: Why DIABOLICON is not listed here?
« on: July 16, 2018, 04:22:23 am »
I think Dr Aquino was still in the Church of Satan when he wrote it.  It's quite Abrahamic.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Ritual Hangovers?
« on: July 09, 2018, 05:18:12 am »
Hey All,

I just wanted to start a little bit of a discussion on-for lack of a better term-ritual hangovers. It's just the best way that I can think of to explain what it is I am talking about. So earlier this week I performed a ritual involving several entities. The ritual involved the cardinal directions of West, South, East, North, Above, and Below. The ritual placed Leviathan in the West, Asmodeus to the South, Lucifer in the East, Belial to the North, Lilith Above, and Hecate Below. So, a bit similar in design to the LBRP, but with more of the intent of opening yourself to the currents of corresponding dark gods rather than archangels. It was powerful. I felt very strong connections with Lucifer and Lilith, not too much with the others, and granted I am more familiar with them opposed to the rest. Belial scares the living fucking shit out of me though. Anyway, I can go into more detail about the ritual if any of you would like to know more.
I'll get to the point of this post now. Ever since I performed the ritual I've been feeling.....different. I don't really know how to explain the feeling. It's a bit like an alcohol hangover, but very mild. I have had a slight headache for a few days, which started the morning after, and just lowered energy levels in general. It has made school work much more difficult to focus on this week. I've also been chain smoking like a bitch. It may not be related at all, but it just all seems to coincidental to not be. Have any of you experienced anything similar? I've done other smaller rituals, but have never felt like this for days after. I think possibly I just bit off a bit more than I could chew, so to speak, and my body is just adjusting to those currents. I also began a working that is supposed to take seven days, I'm thinking now that maybe I should slow down a bit and give myself time to adjust. Maybe restart the working when I'm feeling closer to 100%. Or maybe I'm just fucking crazy.

What do you think?

The "hangover" is how you know that it is having an effect, especially when working with dark (unconscious) archetypes.  This is a period of adjustment while your unconscious mind acclimates and adapts to the changes you made in the unconscious mind.

I wouldn't be so afraid of Belial.  He is to the sensory system as Lucifer is to the intellectual abstraction system.  If you have difficulties with your mind being overcome or negatively triggered by sensory input, then working with Belial would be beneficial.

I think you're onto something with Belial. When I got to Belial in the ritual an aura of intimidation came over me and it frightened me. That fear may have represented aspects of myself that I need to work with, aspects that Belial may have dominion over. It's difficult for me to say at this point, but something I need to keep in mind. Thank you for pointing that out.
You can also think of Belial in terms of the empirical scientific approach of observable phenomena that can be measured--the reality principle part of ego.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Ritual Hangovers?
« on: July 01, 2018, 02:58:18 pm »
Hey All,

I just wanted to start a little bit of a discussion on-for lack of a better term-ritual hangovers. It's just the best way that I can think of to explain what it is I am talking about. So earlier this week I performed a ritual involving several entities. The ritual involved the cardinal directions of West, South, East, North, Above, and Below. The ritual placed Leviathan in the West, Asmodeus to the South, Lucifer in the East, Belial to the North, Lilith Above, and Hecate Below. So, a bit similar in design to the LBRP, but with more of the intent of opening yourself to the currents of corresponding dark gods rather than archangels. It was powerful. I felt very strong connections with Lucifer and Lilith, not too much with the others, and granted I am more familiar with them opposed to the rest. Belial scares the living fucking shit out of me though. Anyway, I can go into more detail about the ritual if any of you would like to know more.
I'll get to the point of this post now. Ever since I performed the ritual I've been feeling.....different. I don't really know how to explain the feeling. It's a bit like an alcohol hangover, but very mild. I have had a slight headache for a few days, which started the morning after, and just lowered energy levels in general. It has made school work much more difficult to focus on this week. I've also been chain smoking like a bitch. It may not be related at all, but it just all seems to coincidental to not be. Have any of you experienced anything similar? I've done other smaller rituals, but have never felt like this for days after. I think possibly I just bit off a bit more than I could chew, so to speak, and my body is just adjusting to those currents. I also began a working that is supposed to take seven days, I'm thinking now that maybe I should slow down a bit and give myself time to adjust. Maybe restart the working when I'm feeling closer to 100%. Or maybe I'm just fucking crazy.

What do you think?

The "hangover" is how you know that it is having an effect, especially when working with dark (unconscious) archetypes.  This is a period of adjustment while your unconscious mind acclimates and adapts to the changes you made in the unconscious mind.

I wouldn't be so afraid of Belial.  He is to the sensory system as Lucifer is to the intellectual abstraction system.  If you have difficulties with your mind being overcome or negatively triggered by sensory input, then working with Belial would be beneficial.

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Luciferianism / Re: Begining Luciferian
« on: June 27, 2018, 05:47:28 pm »

Thank you for some references. I have heard the qliphoth is for more advanced individuals within practice. Is there anything that you can recommend for a beginner like myself and any other readings for philosophy and magick? I am completely new to everything.
If you are completely new, I'd start with the basic four fold breathing and basic meditation like Zazen.  Reading Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell would be a great place to start, as a Luciferian will tend to use a very broad range of mythologies and symbolism.  Philosophically, finding truth is much more valuable than achieving victory in philosophical debate.  Save the urges for victory to apply to victory over ones own self.

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Luciferianism / Re: Begining Luciferian
« on: June 27, 2018, 01:10:42 am »
Hi everyone! I am new to this forum and was directed here from a post I saw on reddit about the left-hand path. I have done some research in the past, but need some more guidance, which has lead me to come here. I am very interested in becoming familiar with philosophies as well as practices of things such as magik within the realm of the Luciferian views. I have seen some things about using the goetia, but I am not too fond of the idea of commanding and abusing demons. I would rather be kind and asking of their abilities with magik. With that being said, is there any literature that anyone can recommend from the very beginning to build a solid foundation to the use of magik to implementing Luciferian views in my daily life. As I have stated before, I am completely new to this and found my views to be aligned with Luciferian views. If there are any recommendations in any way shape or form, please, do tell. Thank in advance.
Liber Null & Psychonaut are great for the basics.  I work the qliphoth in my Luciferian practice.  Thomas Karlsson is a good source for this.

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If you can find a scent that reminds you of the scent of hot lava flowing into the ocean, that would be perfect.  Rain falling on freshly laid hot asphalt would be another scent to go after.  Another might be the smell of a driftwood fire on the beach.  (You want a strong association with fire & water, along with some earthiness.)

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Okay, that makes sense. There wasn't an explanation as to why a black candle is necessary. It also suggests banishing oil, I'm not sure where to buy this. I could also do the burning paper banishing spell with the black candle, this particular spell is a little more elaborate. I hesitate to do any spells that require too much from me just yet, as I'm new to this, and I've been reading about warnings, to be careful to not take on too much too soon. I don't want to do something to harm anyone, or myself. 

How did you learn about all of this? Did it take you a long time?
Anointing your candle with a scented oil helps to focus your intent.  (If you have ever experienced a flood of memories coming back to you upon smelling a certain scent, you'll get an idea of how this works.) 

Peppermint, rue, pepper, rosemary, and sulfur are good scents for a banishing oil.

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I've been practicing chaos magick for about 4 or 5 years now? It's basically all ingrained into my brain as much as 2+2=4 is at this point but I always learn new stuff every day. I highly recommend Liber Null & Psychonaut for the basics of spells and rituals from there you can put together your own,

I also highly recommend Liber Null for the basics of trance induction.  Practice your four-fold breathing as described in Liber Null.  It is a handy skill to have which is useful over a wide spectrum of applications.

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I joined a spells forum today, and one of the banishing spells that I'm interested in requires a black candle. I'm just wondering the significance of that as compared to any other color, for such a spell?

Also, where do you buy your materials for your spells, rituals, etc?


Tibetan magick is by color.  Black magick is used to transform hatred into compassion.

You can get a good deal on black (or any other color) chime candles on Amazon.  Chime candles are just about the perfect size for a spell.

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Seeing what had become of Adam, the rulers enclosed him in the garden and caused sleep to fall upon him. (interestingly, this sleep is clarified in-text to be Ignorance of himself.) Then they "open his side, which was like the body of a living woman", and the spirit leaves him in the new body of woman.
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This, interestingly enough, sounds like Jungian Anima projection.

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Satanism / Re: making a list of notable Satanist organizations/sects
« on: April 14, 2018, 11:03:10 pm »
Hm. I had come across their stuff last year. Looking now, based on their online activity from what I can find they would be notable.



Anyways they are definitely active enough to make the list. I might have to do some research on them as I'm not as familiar with their beliefs.

edit2: only reason i brought any of that up is that is basically my only exposure to the group lol. but ya based on their online numbers... not sure how I missed them.


The are LaVeyan Satanists with a strong liking for Nietzsche, Carl Jung, and Joseph Campbell.  There are a few of them in my Order, so if you have any further questions, just ask.

The founder, Thomas LeRoy, will be speaking at a LHP conference this month in Portland.

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The image on the far right depicts Lilith as a winged, crowned serpent offering Eve the forbidden fruit:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/LOC_SHS.jpg

This image is from the Speculum Humanae Salvationis, dating back to between 1309 and 1332 AD.

While this isn't an ancient source, there are some interesting parallels to be found between the plumed serpent Quetelcoatl of the Americas, and Naga Kanya of Southern Asia.


https://assets.saatchiart.com/saatchi/428751/art/2703561/1773454-EGPOGBDF-7.jpg

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General LHP Discussion / Re: The main goal and path of magic?
« on: February 01, 2018, 08:42:26 pm »
"My will be done"

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Process Philosophy and Process Theism
« on: January 27, 2018, 04:21:10 pm »
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Actually, it's having self views which is considered a hindrance in Buddhism.  This includes both holding the view that there is an Atman, as well as holding the view that there is no Atman.  Holding views regarding Atman or no Atman builds up a philosophical thicket that you have to chop down in order to observe unobscured.

What is the annata if not... no atman? Isn't that literally what it means? I've talked about this with a lot of Buddhists from Middle Way, to randoms on the internet to a Vajrayana monk. It seems that they don't believe in an atman and take the annata stance. Unless I really didn't understand WTF they were saying, it sounded like holding we have no atman is required to be a Buddhist (and thus, according to him, practice "real tantra"). This was actually a point of contention and why any discussion broke down with me and the monk, sadly.


Check out this link to the
Sabbasava Sutta:
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"As he attends inappropriately in this way, one of six kinds of view arises in him: The view I have a self arises in him as true & established, or the view I have no self... or the view It is precisely by means of self that I perceive self... or the view It is precisely by means of self that I perceive not-self... or the view It is precisely by means of not-self that I perceive self arises in him as true & established, or else he has a view like this: This very self of mine — the knower that is sensitive here & there to the ripening of good & bad actions — is the self of mine that is constant, everlasting, eternal, not subject to change, and will stay just as it is for eternity. This is called a thicket of views, a wilderness of views, a contortion of views, a writhing of views, a fetter of views. Bound by a fetter of views, the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person is not freed from birth, aging, & death, from sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair. He is not freed, I tell you, from suffering & stress.
The idea of Self or No-Self is not fit for attention, as it creates a thicket of views that one does not get freed from.

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General LHP Discussion / Re: Process Philosophy and Process Theism
« on: January 26, 2018, 04:55:20 pm »
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3. Okay, now for the last one... My main gripe with Process Theory is that it's essentially, to me, a third of Buddhism. The other third I don't like which Process Theory implies, and why I'm not a Buddhist, is that since there is no fixed, eternal "self" that we don't exist. @crossfire touched on this with me in the other topic, when I asked if this was why Buddhists believe in the Anatta. I actually had a bit of a debate about this with another Buddhist yesterday to no better understanding.

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Anyways since Buddhism says we don't exist, it has more in common with self-annihilation rather than self-deification. I know that this kind of nihilism is a stepping stone in Buddhism but no one's ever properly told me how you get out of that nihilism. My understanding of what comes after nihilism is partial but as I understand the final outcome it's utterly incompatible with my beliefs.

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Actually, it's having self views which is considered a hindrance in Buddhism.  This includes both holding the view that there is an Atman, as well as holding the view that there is no Atman.  Holding views regarding Atman or no Atman builds up a philosophical thicket that you have to chop down in order to observe unobscured.

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