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Thelema / Re: Introduction to Thelema
« on: February 14, 2020, 02:47:07 am »
Glad to finally see a subforum  8) 8)

Lounge / Re: I had a stupid argument with someone
« on: February 14, 2020, 02:46:06 am »
Yeah it is a stupid argument.

Invoking is inward, and Evoking is outward or external. The "what" at the subject of both are completely different things.

Journals / Re: Fr. Sisyphus' Archives
« on: January 26, 2020, 09:17:13 am »
Still going good, I'm really interested in Freemasonry at the moment - both mainstream rites and clandestine rites.
Aspects of Rosicrucianism have also interested me since back in my prior term as a Thelemite.

At the present I'm just an amalgamation of stuff, I don't really know what I'll settle as, I just find myself drawn towards so many different paths at once.
I've still got a lot of Shia Islam in my heart (and still utterly in love with the Qur'an), still got a lot of Thelema and ceremonial magic in my veins, still got entheogenic ambitions, still riding on the coat of the lord of darkness, still deeply interested in paganism and archetypal aspects, still have Nihilistic tendencies, still have Discordian outbursts, still reading and learning from the Buddhist canons and Hindu scriptures.

Y'know, it's kinda difficult. I still don't know if I even suit this place but I wish there where more eccentric weirdos out there to connect with.

Just updating, I guess.

Other Religions / Re: Eris as a PoD
« on: December 25, 2019, 10:42:26 pm »
@idgo this is really really interesting.

I should also add that when it comes to the Principia Discordia itself and it's social context, the role of 'conspiracy theories' in it's initial context is one more parallel to the concept of synchromysticism. This kind of stuff you'll find in RaW's work itself.
Then you've got RaW and Leary's theory of reality tunnels etc.
All of it plays off each other in ironic and sometimes profound, ways.

Afterall Discordianism itself is about the whole idea of perception of reality itself (obviously within a meta-occult context), so then the role of 'conspiracy theories' within it's own context relates to the way we ourselves as automatons both relate to and project onto the outside world.

Furthermore there is obvious, indirect connections there with various ideas in Chaos Magick relating to belief as a tool, but in the context spoken of above it is about the way our own perceptions of reality inform the outcomes of reality.

It gets way deeper though.
The Illuminati meme in particular is one of the most powerful examples of this because no matter how much it is ruthlessly parodied, ridiculed and disproven, it will always keep amassing big audiences, even unsuspecting people that otherwise don't identify with conspiracy theories.
Kinda like what is found elsewhere particularly within the Evangelical/Baptist crowd, it is an example of a self-validating meme; aka one that cannot be disproven or parodied because it's absurdity and it's nature is one that subverts all proof into validation of the theory etc.

It's all one massive rabbit hole, people don't realize how messed up it is either.

Aside from that, it also demonstrates on a wide scale how people in general don't know shit about symbols and the meaning of symbols. Completely oblivious. This allows bad misinterpretations to thrive and of course.

Satanism / Re: The Revised 9 Satanic Statements are way better!
« on: December 25, 2019, 10:29:21 pm »
1. Indulgence establishes life, as abstinence death.

2. Indulgence in the present realizes the future.

3. Indulgence is quickened by truth, stricken by falsehood.

4. Indulgence is nourished by love, generosity, and benevolence: but only when so appreciated and recompensed.

5. Indulgence in the excitement of creation finds its balance in the annihilation of destruction.

6. Indulgence is the Fountain of Life, but forbidden to those who seek only to consume life.

7. Indulgence within Nature through a form of that Nature is a gift of the Natural and the NonNatural, that you may Become both.

8. Indulgence for its own pleasure is a sacrament.

9. Indulgence is ever beset by the death-worshipful who would kill whatever they fear: Beware!

I fully agree, this list is inspirational and more well-organized, it conveys sense to the essence of the word. It also hints towards an attainment and some kind of transformative power rather than just aimless meandering (such as what the CoS, LaVeyan version implies).

Satanism / Re: "The Satanic Bible" by Michael Aquino
« on: December 25, 2019, 10:22:41 pm »
I'm not interested in Satanism myself but as someone with a level of respect and intrigue in Aquino, this sounds very fascinating. I've heard Aquino speak before about how drastically different the original COS was, which has apparently gone (otherwise) not documented as well as it should've been (and in regards to it's spread globally).

I second, that it'd be cool to get your thoughts on what the book is like when you get it!

And on that, at the moment I'm really in the mood to read it again.

My interactions with Christians over the last year has started to really bring out this side of me. As a Thelemite in my phase prior to my absence, I was more on the mystical side of Thelema rather than taking much of a care towards certain tendencies against the mainstream of Christianity (whether Catholic or Protestant), at the present time I am starting to really see "it" when it comes to Satan, whether as a symbol or not.

Anyway, Aquino's work is always fascinating. When it comes to LaVey, I like some aspects of his "philosophy" but of course I find both Atheism and Itheism completely unrelatable and not even sympathizable; at best I am indifferent to such views.

When it comes to Aquino's approach to the subject matter, there is something fulfilling about it, although I'm not sure that either he or Lavey are truly radicals moreso that they helped to steer the ship with a certain philosophical, religious and countercultural train of thought that is always in necessity to have it's place of triumph over the stupidity of gullible fools.

Now, really, time for me to really dig into it  8)

Other Religions / Re: Eris as a PoD
« on: December 25, 2019, 09:37:12 am »
If anybody's bored and looking for a research project, it'd be fascinating to track the popularity of the PD-mentioned conspiracy theories among non-PD-readers before and after its publication

Great idea. I wonder if anyone has attempted such a thing. The results would be damn interesting clearly.
Also factoring in Robert Anton Wilson's (and Robert Shea's) Illuminatus trilogy, inspired by all of the aforementioned plus building of that certain fictitious and fantastical creative aspect at the root of Discordianism.

What just baffles and allures me is that such conspiracies for a large extent, where both propagated and made into popular memes through the subculture created within Discordianism (and the RAW fanbase) as well as parody religions like Subgenius. There was a lot of memes brewing around this time in the late 70s.
Most people don't know the source of half of the conspiracies that go around these days, it's amazing in it's on way.

At some point these memes took on their own, unironic, presence outside of their initial 'obscure joke' context.

Other Religions / Re: Eris as a PoD
« on: December 25, 2019, 02:09:12 am »
Starbucks Pebbles was always one of my favorite chapters of the Principia Discordia:

Also the Poee Baptismal Rite  :mrgreen: (clearly a satire of both Freemasonry and the Thelemic Gnostic mass, at least the way I see it)

What remains so fascinating is that all of the same conspiracy theories that are popular with Evangelicals are all present in the Principia Discordia, yet Discordianism is solemnly ever mentioned by non-Occultists.
At the root of Discordianism though is the way we perceive reality and the way that we are susceptible to strange dogmas (including reductionist things like materialism etc), when in fact, as Discordianism shows, we don't know shit  :o
In regards to LHP, well it definitely represents 'the outsider' striving against the deranged majority. It's role in counterculture too reflects this.

As a modern tradition, the P.D. is an entire mode of thought which is simultaneously silly, humorous and dead-serious. It remains unique whatever way you slice it.
Aside from that, Hail Eris, cause we all love her  :mrgreen:

Other Religions / Re: Kenneth Grant
« on: December 24, 2019, 06:18:36 am »
Generally speaking, he's not a general reference of mine in the outward sense but the trajectory of his work in the inward sense, is quite revolutionary. His slice of Thelema places things in a context which, at the very least; puts it in a synchronistic firing-line where so many potentialities manifest themselves.
His world is at the beginning of what in the future would be a more prolific venture; being, a wholly multi-field, holistic implementation of Thelemic magick and qabbala.
In the sense that there are so many strains that Thelema bumps shoulders with but either only dips it's toes in, or shys away from. As far as the mainstream Thelema community (for instance) is concerned, it's dead.
The Aeon of Horus (and it's consequent concentric expressions) is one aspect, the actual Liber Legis itself is another, the implications of Thelema explored in Kenneth Grant's work combined with the insights he provides does give a good idea of where it can go (and of course, there are aspects of overlap with Chaos Magick, regarding certain technologies) but it is in-and-of-itself an organic tradition that needs to be given further incentive.
Of course, the true initiates will always remain obscure, unknown and misunderstood until they have their 15 minutes of fame. The path of the Great Work however is an uphill struggle when there is the counter-work of technocratic-suprafascism knocking at the beds of the world.

As Liber Legis says:

"Also ye shall be strong in war.
Moreover, be they long kept, it is better; for they swell with my force. All before me.
My altar is of open brass work: burn thereon in silver or gold!
There cometh a rich man from the West who shall pour his gold upon thee.
From gold forge steel!
Be ready to fly or to smite!"

As it says in #3 "There is a word not known".

Journals / Re: Fr. Sisyphus' Archives
« on: December 24, 2019, 05:14:18 am »
It seems that whatever voyages I go on, I always end up back at Liber AL Vel Legis.  :mrgreen:

Entertainment / Re: Memes
« on: December 24, 2019, 04:52:02 am »
Not sure if it's been shared yet, but it's that time of year  :mrgreen:

Other Religions / Re: Eris as a PoD
« on: December 24, 2019, 04:45:50 am »
What are y'all's thoughts on discordianism and it's applicability to the left hand path? It definitely seems to fit my sense of humor really well, and I think there's a lot to be said for left hand path development within discordianism. I mean, it seems to see itself beyond left and right hand path but I figure a practitioner could choose if they felt the need too.

Eris being a goddess of chaos and discord, though not seemingly in the anti-cosmic sense, seems to be a good representative of a PoD aimed at stirring up consensus reality and getting people to think for themselves. At least as far as she's been articulated in the discordian movement.

What ya think?

Used to love it. It's use of humor is deceptive though because it does have actual teachings. There are a lot of types of strains you could find in the Discordian community, between the Left-leaning ones to the Right-leaning ones. The idea of Chaos itself does open itself up to all kinds of results.

Discordianism reflects more of my personality more than my actual views though. I do not identify as such though, although I have friends that practice it (and make their own Discordian art etc). It's a unique subject.

Music / Re: Jazz
« on: December 12, 2019, 09:14:07 am »
This guy is on another level  :mrgreen:

Music / Re: What are you listening to?
« on: December 12, 2019, 09:10:24 am »
I just love them, always, always, every song, perfeciton  8)

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