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Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... Welcome! Nice to encounter you here as well!
October 27, 2017, 06:32:11 pm
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... I've never been very active at RF, but I don't think I ever got a single post deleted, except those on the ONA in that one thread, and a few in which I had replied to a more-or-less-troll. So, nothing I'd hold against them. And I've written stuff there that I wouldn't mention in many other forums.

Not that I'd intend to imply your impressions were wrong, just, I got a pretty different impression of the mods there so far.
Agreeing that there are currently not many worthwhile discussions over there, though. This forum here seems much better in that regard, if not in many others as well.

October 27, 2017, 06:56:19 pm
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction...
RF will forever be important to, well honestly, the very existence of the O.S. and this (hopefully superior) forum. That said, it's very sad what happened to that site. I honestly feel the worst trolls are the freaking admins there, without naming names.

Undoubtedly, lol.

The inability to distinguish a troll from troll bait isn't helping them either. Anyway, no need to name names as I am completely aware of who you are talking about. It just became impossible to have a dissenting opinion of any kind even if the two people were just having a heated discussion. (Even if they were friends!) Lol, I was modded several times for having an argument with someone whom I considered fondly, yet other people would report me.  At that point, why talk? Many of them were pissed at me because of politics and not just going along with their program... Well, I have no program - I'm personal anarchist all government is whack to me but you gotta pick the best of the worst or you are really in trouble. Most people are not capable of handling the level of freedom anarchy means, so it's an idealistic thing rather than a reality and I am aware of it.

To be fair, RF did nothing to form O.S. - the product and the work of our discussions is what formed that. RF did nothing but collect money and spam people with popups and porn ads in their email. :D Years long friends did the heavily lifting, and to me that is where the credit is due. It was natural to seek another venue when the gestapo just couldn't get enough of itself... LHPers generally don't stomach tyranny well... Especially me.. :D

I can definitely tell you we all appreciate that :). Hope you enjoy your time here, can't wait to disagree with you!

October 27, 2017, 07:09:55 pm
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... Welcome to the black and purple forum, Mindmaster.  :mrgreen:
October 28, 2017, 04:20:10 pm
Re: Is image important to satanism? As with any sort of -ism, I agree that there is some posturing involved with keeping up an image. I wouldn't go as far as to call it Virtue signal when it comes to Satanism as with traditional orthodox groups. I do find it inauthentic when they claim their brand of Satanism as legitimate without it being possible for it to be others. In all seriousness, I would say that I encountered Satanism first while reading Lord Byron and Milton in high school. And I very much admire Lord Byron's work and ideation on the aristocratic rebel.
October 30, 2017, 09:19:31 am
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... Hello, Mindmaster! I recently begun my first foray into demonolatry but in a different way.

I look forward to seeing you around. Welcome to the forum.

October 31, 2017, 06:18:48 pm
Re: Is image important to satanism?
The only thing that makes all of these groups un-Satanic in my eye is dogma. As soon as you place a system of rules of what is valid and then you've marched right the hell out of what Satanism is at its core. Satanism for me represents a spiritual insurrection of sorts, in that you must have the freedom to practice and think in the way that leads to your ultimate development. What "development" means to you is, of course, highly subjective. Without that though, I feel you aren't doing any Satanism in the proper sense at all no matter what you are calling it. That's why I think many of the organizations mentioned in the OP are dead - dead as in the corpses of failed experiments. They didn't learn from their mistakes and evolve, so they've become dogmatic in approach and turned into a group of wannabes. Surest sign of the wannabeism is that there become certain conversations that be inapproachable, or looking like something becomes more important than doing anything. It becomes an identity rather than a path, so that's why I feel they are not real Satanists.
On the one hand, I fullheartedly agree with this - Satanism is about following one's own will, and so basically pure adogmatism.
On the other hand however, such a definition makes it extremely difficult to determine whether anyone is a Satanist or not. Only oneself could really tell, and even then one might be mistaken due to self-delusions.
Also, in what way would Satanism then differ from the LHP in general? I mean, personally I use these two terms interchangably anyway, at least when referring to myself. Well, there are "Satanists" that are too dogmatic to be LHPers, and LHPers whom to call Satanists would be strange as they work with completely different cultural references and not with anything they would refer to as Satan ever.

And then, there is the question of how far one is on one's path, and how easy or difficult to attain one's individual will is.

Maybe someone first needs to learn how to adult before accomplishing anything that would look to others like LHP-work - but nevertheless that person could identify as a Satanist and even consider their current self-development to be part of the Path.
Maybe someone will never do something that would look to others like LHP-work as that person's individual will is something entirely different.

A curious thing I recently stumbled upon and which I found utterly fascinating is that there are people who of their own volition wear diapers 24/7 and who consider this to have much more advantages than disadvantages (e.g. much rarer use of the restroom, improved digestion, better sleep, ...). It doesn't seem to work for everyone but in several cases it actually increased their independance, they gained more self-confidence due to taboo-breaking, and for many it even meant living out a sexual fantasy.
That's LHP as fuck :mrgreen: but far from anything that would typically come to our minds, and 99% of those people probably haven't even heard of the LHP or anything related.

Having practiced Satanism for about 7 years now, I can't help but feel that this is a truth for much of Satanism. It seems all major fights in the Satanist "community" or "scene" is usually over what is "true Satanism" and honestly when it comes down to it a lot of the philosophies surrounding it, just seem like mostly ordinary "acceptable" ideas in our culture just focused on more than usual and then dressed up diabolically. It often seems to me that the focus on being more carnal, more intune with self, rejecting ideas of sin and pursuing individualistic fulfillment is only taboo in the context of religiously conservative areas.

A lot of Satanism, in general, it seems to not really fall that much out of the mainstream. But, now hear me here, the necessity of it to fall out of there, also seems to be a thing of image. I feel like something this polarizing has to be about at least some type of internal image since for many it does come down to symbolism no matter how literal you take it. I guess what I'm saying is, when you strip away Satan, all the language and put it in neutral terms, what are we left with?
That's a really good question.
Concluding from what I wrote above, I would say that what we are left with is a philosophy of self-improvement that differs from your typical self-help-books by including concepts and methods from religious and occult contexts, by very often being based on amorality and by encouraging one to take "do what you truly want" to an extreme.

I could mention a lot of other groups. There have been countless theist groups and a lot of modern communities but really when I think about all the Satanists I've known in my life part of groups or not most are never *too* radical with their life. Many not even going to the level of other counter cultures such as punk or whatever. Some even dress conservatively and use Satanism as a self image, while having a facade on the outside of respectability.
It's difficult to judge from the outside, and many of these people might actually be mere posers. But those that are not, who's to tell that it's not their true will to live such a conservative lifestyle?

Also, honestly, even figuring out one's true will is a lot of work. And then you have finally got a clue about what you truly want, and hell, it turns out to be not even physically possible :o
So, unless you believe in literal self-deification, you have to aim for lesser goals anyway.
And even if your will is physically possible, it still might be so against the nomos that you better think twice whether you really wanna risk all that.

What I'd really like to see more of, is people aligning their ideas of Satanism in radical ways. The Satanic Temple is an example of this, and I think it's hilariously awesome. But that's one example. Perhaps the more self-centered types could do more feats like survivalism or huge changes in lifestyle.
Full agreement - but, well, we are only humans. Taking myself as an example, there's a lot of stuff I'd love to try and do, but first I need to take care of the basics. My health is poor as it is, and my social skills are lacking due to social anxiety, so I first gotta work on seemingly mundane stuff like that before you can expect me to do more difficult things that seem more impressive.
Of course I can also try to work on more extreme stuff right now, too, but even then I gotta take one step after another, and much of it will not be visible to outsiders.

In other words, Satanism is more worthwhile if it's not (or at least not only) about image, but not everyone who gives an image to Satanism also follows through with it, any many who don't mind their image might be doing much more "satanic" stuff in their actual life.

November 01, 2017, 11:20:36 am
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... Welcome Mindmaster, you know me as Adramelek on rf.
November 03, 2017, 09:09:18 pm
Re: Altar tools, where do you store them? @Mindmaster I like that mobile dagger approach.
November 15, 2017, 12:12:44 am
Re: So I talked to the Prince of Darkness @Mindmaster  I'm skeptical of those invocation circles. The attributions are correct and I'm sure they're effective but I feel like they simplify the concepts way too much.

Leviathan is the water elemental, if I recall correctly, but anyone who's worked with him can tell you he is much more than that although that attribution is correct.

I suspect the same for all demons involved in the circle castings.

November 22, 2017, 10:32:01 pm