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Re: human needs and spiritual needs during hard times
So if you are struggling with money or meeting any basic need and also feel spiritually that you're not at your best those are not separate issues. I feel like a place like this can serve the "sense of belonging" but know that if stuff is rough for you now in life, don't blame yourself or stress about not being where you want to be spiritually.

This is a good start, but follow it through just a bit more. One of the biggest mistakes that can be made is to identify with the mistake, the problem the action. As long as you identify with it then it will always be linked to you and take you down with it. As an example: I am horrible at managing money.

See how that the person above is identifying with the action and you are not your actions. Managing money is the action and you can always choose and look for other actions to take.

The key is to not fall into the claptrap of blaming Yourself because you are not your actions. You can always change your actions.


July 25, 2017, 07:34:41 am
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July 30, 2017, 03:34:30 pm
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Hello :) Thanks for inviting me here, Setamontet.

I left faith recently (again) and sorting things out. Feeling like the best way to describe my feelings right now from a faith perspective is spiritual atheism? That's probably the best way I can put it for now.

This looks like a cool forum, and look forward to chatting with you guys.  8)

August 02, 2017, 11:39:00 pm
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Does this belief system bring you peace? Does this belief system give you a sense of deep satisfying peace? When I practiced Christianity, I felt a sense of peace. But, then I came to realize that much of my belief system was built upon wishful thinking. I left Christianity five years ago, about a year after that, I naturally concluded that atheism was what made sense to me, and fast forward to about two years ago, I returned to Christianity. This was largely due to the stress and grief I was experiencing over my grandmother's death. I had never grappled with such a great loss, without faith to escape. Being an atheist when my grandmother died was hard, I won't lie. It was HARD.

Intellectually, I think atheism describes my thinking now and has for some time, but my heart looks for something else, I guess. That sense of peace that is difficult to find in the day to day, but I'm learning. I'm having to UNLEARN certain things, in the process. I don't want to cling to false gods and faiths in order to give myself a false peace. And so here I am again, having left faith again, and sorting things out for myself, in terms of atheism and spirituality, of some sort.

I'm finding that meditation and practicing centeredness brings me great peace. And so I wonder about others' belief systems, does a left hand path bring one peace? Can you describe how? I'm just curious. I find people's belief systems to be fascinating, so long as they don't harm others, and learning about why people follow what they do.

August 03, 2017, 12:10:19 am
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Re: Made an "impossible" LHP quiz for the awesome FunTrivia Yeah I wish I had worded that E/WLHP question better.
August 03, 2017, 12:53:53 am
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Re: Does this belief system bring you peace?
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And so I wonder about others' belief systems, does a left hand path bring one peace? Can you describe how?


This is a complicated answer to say, the Left Hand Path is not a simple road to take unlike other Religions that are separate from that Path. My Path has never truly brought me peace, instead my Path has tested me all these years.

 Iv'e struggled greatly with anxiety and depression. I try to fight it everyday, before I realized that this Path was for me, a while back I was raised in a confusing religious environment. My dad on the other hand separated me from the nordic faith that I practiced a while back, he tried to raise me in a Christian environment, it didn't work for me at all.

As a matter of fact I came to disagreements of how they represented Lucifer to be an evil being, on one hand I regarded him as a good being among this world. Over time when I came to that realization that I was a Satanist, it was not an easy philosophy to adhere to unlike other Religions such as Christianity which is perhaps a peaceful stepping stone for the individuals own benefit.

I have evolved and underwent many self transformations upon my practices of my path, my concept of the LHP is adopting a heterodox viewpoint, by violating or embracing taboos that are looked down upon.

 Once you embrace these taboos you undergo through this self transformation process of the self, you start to feel comfortable of the things that are viewed as non mainstream, you start to feel at peace with the things that you love to do outside of the mainstream. In many cases I have never felt any sense of empathy towards others, in that regard I feel that this process of my self transformation is bringing me a sense of empathy slowly.

For me this is perhaps complicated to explain this, but when I was a beginning novice on my journey I started putting Black Magick into practice. You may have heard that many people outside of the Left Hand Path may regard Black Magick as evil or Malevolent perhaps.  Black Magick is not really an evil form. As a matter of fact some of the concepts of Black Magick is about improving the self and manipulating ones environment to ones own advantage.

Their is plenty of more concepts within the Practice of Black Magick in which I would love to explain in detail but I am the type of person that gets to the point of things.

For me one of my goals within my Path is stepping outside these limits that may restrain the individual. It is about overcoming many obstacles in ones life. Once when you step outside of these limits outside of society you start to undergo the process of happiness and peace to that extent.







August 03, 2017, 05:05:51 pm
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Re: Does this belief system bring you peace? Greetings Deidre,

For me personally it really has never been a matter of peace of mind or faith, but rather a matter of something that is indeed real and has always worked for me.  I became a Satanist when I was about 15 and later became a Setian at the age of 20.  Both are LHP philosophies which have appealed to me, and even called out to my soul.  The peace I have received is that I found, at a very young age, a religion, a way of life, that inspires and works for me, which is about study and practice, not worship.  A religion, life philosophy, that challenges the mind and soul to become their most magnificent and supreme manifestation.  Just like with anything else in life, the way of the Left Hand can and will be just, if not more, challenging and stressful, as it deals with matters of the spirit or soul.

The Left Hand Path exalts the truth that nothing worth while in life is ever easy.  But when certain self-actualizations have been achieved, there is a time of peace that is worth savoring.  The Path of Darkness is the Left Hand Path Quest of those who are willing and capable of flourishing through the pleasures and pains of the unique existence of Setian/Satanic Being.

Some Christians might say, oh we are taking the easy way, when in fact it is quite the reverse.  The RHP is about letting some other god or being taking control of your life and its direction, the LHP is about self-effort, study and practice, you taking complete control over your own life and its direction.

Xeper and Remanifest.
/Setamontet\

August 03, 2017, 05:36:27 pm
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Re: Does this belief system bring you peace? I'll come back to ask more a little later, but thank you for your insights. So this brings about a question ...would you say that your belief system is one whereby enlightenment is brought about because of the darkness or despite it? I'm thinking that the darkness acts as a conduit for positive change which I find fascinating. But am I understanding that right?
August 03, 2017, 07:33:51 pm
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Re: Does this belief system bring you peace?
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And so I wonder about others' belief systems, does a left hand path bring one peace? Can you describe how?


This is a complicated answer to say, the Left Hand Path is not a simple road to take unlike other Religions that are separate from that Path. My Path has never truly brought me peace, instead my Path has tested me all these years.

 Iv'e struggled greatly with anxiety and depression. I try to fight it everyday, before I realized that this Path was for me, a while back I was raised in a confusing religious environment. My dad on the other hand separated me from the nordic faith that I practiced a while back, he tried to raise me in a Christian environment, it didn't work for me at all.

As a matter of fact I came to disagreements of how they represented Lucifer to be an evil being, on one hand I regarded him as a good being among this world. Over time when I came to that realization that I was a Satanist, it was not an easy philosophy to adhere to unlike other Religions such as Christianity which is perhaps a peaceful stepping stone for the individuals own benefit.

I have evolved and underwent many self transformations upon my practices of my path, my concept of the LHP is adopting a heterodox viewpoint, by violating or embracing taboos that are looked down upon.

 Once you embrace these taboos you undergo through this self transformation process of the self, you start to feel comfortable of the things that are viewed as non mainstream, you start to feel at peace with the things that you love to do outside of the mainstream. In many cases I have never felt any sense of empathy towards others, in that regard I feel that this process of my self transformation is bringing me a sense of empathy slowly.

For me this is perhaps complicated to explain this, but when I was a beginning novice on my journey I started putting Black Magick into practice. You may have heard that many people outside of the Left Hand Path may regard Black Magick as evil or Malevolent perhaps.  Black Magick is not really an evil form. As a matter of fact some of the concepts of Black Magick is about improving the self and manipulating ones environment to ones own advantage.

Their is plenty of more concepts within the Practice of Black Magick in which I would love to explain in detail but I am the type of person that gets to the point of things.

For me one of my goals within my Path is stepping outside these limits that may restrain the individual. It is about overcoming many obstacles in ones life. Once when you step outside of these limits outside of society you start to undergo the process of happiness and peace to that extent.

The things you're saying here totally resonate with me, regarding the 'right hand path' type faiths, like Christianity. I was raised in a Christian home, and always practiced without thinking about it much. What is practicing Christianity like, really? It's basically worshiping a deity and by that I mean praying to him, and sacrificing one's own ambitions and desires for this ''greater good,'' or ''greater god.'' The problems that I've run into, and why I left Christianity for the first time 5 years ago, is that I couldn't make logical sense of the Bible, a book that is wrought with contradictions. But, there was something about this Christian God that made me feel loved...comforted. Or it was what I was taught to believe without asking questions. To doubt meant you were in sin. You know the drill, coming from that background.

This left hand path. I have to say, I was taken aback when I first read about it when I came to the religious forums. I never knew anyone who actually practiced any type of magic, and again, was taught that ''sorcerers'' and ''wizards'' are evil beings, and should be avoided, according to Christian beliefs. But, I never really thought this deep down. I've always viewed people as just humans all struggling with pretty much the same things...depression, love, confusion, sadness, grief, etc. Religions just offer everyone a different way to cope with the human condition, perhaps.

So, I started reading a little bit about the left hand path community, and then talked with two people from RF about it. And these two people, one of them one of the co-founders of this site, always seemed in good spirits. Even in better spirits than the Christians I knew offline, or on RF. That struck me as curious...why would people who are the antithesis of Christianity, be so joyful? So hopeful? I liked it, though. I was drawn to learning more about it.

Fast forward to recently, I came back to faith (after identifying as an atheist for a little while a few years ago)...largely due to my grandmother's death that happened a little over two years ago. Her death rocked my world, and I couldn't process it without faith. As an atheist, it was just really hard to process that I would have to cope with her loss on my own. Just me. No gods, no crutches. Just me. A few months later, I lost an online friend named Mequa, a few people here knew him. He used to post on RF. His death following my grandmother's death, just was so shocking. He was only 33 years old. So, I eventually ran back to faith, thinking that I had a supernatural experience of some type. This is the abbreviated version, but it's what led me back.

A few weeks ago, I thought that I just don't believe this stuff anymore. I want to believe in a god, or that a supreme being adores me, but logically, I don't. I mean, I hold out hope that one may exist, but to worship a potentially fictional character in my mind started to seem once again, very stupid.

This left hand path. Hmmm. It is interesting that we can learn from darkness. Christianity teaches how to snuff out the darkness. That we shouldn't walk towards the darkness, yet in LHP ...it seems you embrace the darkness. Is this darkness, the darkness of our souls or the darkness of life, in general? Is darkness subjective? Like maybe what you consider dark, I might not and vice versa.

I like your story, it is very helpful to me, and I'm glad you've shared it. I want to learn more. :=)

August 04, 2017, 12:50:25 am
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Is LaVeyan Satanism part of the WLHP? One very interesting aspect of LaVeyan Satanism, which most seem to overlook, is that Satan is seen as an aspect of nature, in this case one intiminately related to hedonism. The problem with this is that LaVeyan Satanism is essentially about not fighting our nature, giving into it and submitting certain aspects of the universe. This is, so far as I can tell, the exact opposite of what the WLHP seeks to accomplish, which is a mastery of ones nature, a separation from the greater Nature as a whole. Submission to "forces of nature" is essentially the defining trait of the WRHP.

We also have the issue of Peter Gilmore, a man so dogmatic he believes all who disagree with him are on some level insane, and holds "nothing but contempt for them." It doesn't take a lot of explaining to show why this may contradict the ideology of the WLHP. Further, the Church of Satan as a whole tens to hold the claim that it is the only valid form of satanism, despite objective and even academic fact disagreeing with this. It may be more an unwritten rule, but when I think WLHP I don't think about denying objective facts just to claim ones sect is the only valid version.

August 04, 2017, 05:38:08 am
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