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Re: Is there an ideology outside the LHP which values the Self?
Quote from: Shamira on June 29, 2017, 10:35:05 pm
I'm of the persuasion though that true individualism and collectivism are complimentary not opposed. It's easier to be an individual when there isn't oppression, and it's easier to have collective benifit when people are recognized as individuals. In my mind proper collectivism relies on individuality as a starting point.
I'm quoting this because I completely agree.  One of the most insightful and concise explanations I've seen of my own thoughts.  Thank you.

As for Xepera's original question, it isn't exactly RHP or LHP, but have you read any of Jung's work on alchemy?
June 30, 2017, 12:08:25 am 		1
Re: Necromancy (serious)
Quote from: Shamira on June 29, 2017, 07:59:52 pm
I think, it's partly because I'm coming from an eastern knowledge as opposed to perspective. I started the LHP as a Satanist and still consider myself one today.

The path has always had transgression as a feature but it's for the benefit of one's self, not to shock others. It's to shock yourself and separate you (among many other reasons). Basically, we are limited by and controlled by our fears knowingly or not. I think somewhere along the line of Satanism's lineage a lot of people lost the intention. The Aghori who I mentioned in my OP, their name means "without horror". The idea is that they are not longer repulsed by these things but see them as part of nature like anything else. I've always been a weird person and was attracted to the bizarre. In my spiritual journey I've found that the largest hurdle, really, was fear.

I don't think that is unusual. Most people fear this stuff so much they freak out at the mention of it. It's easier to talk about it intellectually, explore it mentally but after so long you overcome that.

It's a bit' of a duality though, on one hand I'm into all that bizarre, and I find it helps me... act more "normal" in a lot of situations. It reminds me of the householder LHP sects in Tantra where one does the LHP in secret and with a normal life, unlike the ascetics who are isolated from society. Maybe there is a psychological reason for this dynamic but I don't really know.

The point, in my opinion, of LHP workings is self improvement, so if it makes you feel more normal, that's a positive thing, so long as the balance doesn't negate the good effect of the workings.

Your thoughts on necromancy are fascinating, and I personally don't find them too extreme at all - perhaps even honorary of the case of the companion animals you're utilizing in the work.  I haven't tried any communion with the dead myself, but there is certainly a precedent for it, even in RHP religions with elements of ancestor worship.  What you're describing isn't too far removed from that, and is more grounded in the frankly grim reality of death than most ancestor worship practices that I'm familiar with (admittedly, my eastern religion knowledge is pretty spotty, so I could be wrong).

On a practical level, I actually have a friend who, while not a necromancer, did have a hobby of articulating skeletons, and she managed to meet someone who got her access to the dynastid beetle tank at the local university, so if she found roadkill, she could clean the skeleton very quickly, completely, and easily.  If you have a university nearby with a biology or paleontology program, or even a curiosity shop that deals in articulated skeletons, you may ask around and see if you can get some beetle access for the purposes of cleaning your pieces.
June 30, 2017, 02:35:17 am 		1
Re: FREEDOM day Fair.  :)

In response, here is one of my favorite moments from the American Revolution.
July 05, 2017, 12:20:48 pm 		1
Re: The Abyss From a Setian Hermeticist perspective the "Abyss" is the limitless depths of knowledge and truth of this Universe.  The infinite darkness between the known and the unknown.  The "crossing of the Abyss" is the Initiatory/Self-Evolutionary process of exploring certain depths of the Universe and developing your own introspective/subjective Understanding of it.  Which can take years upon decades of study and practice.
July 11, 2017, 10:13:50 pm 		1
Some music I wish to share I wish to share some music... I am going to group it up in several different groups... And I would like to ask you to guess why did I share those songs and how did I group them up. I wish to know how you think.

Group A:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R942ABYuO9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs9dMjBxVSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOTa3CKZhbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-WpHdNFLxo

Group B:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQrM6g8_T94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-YNNJIe2Vk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlJuwO0GDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-Jr4M4w90


Group C:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aETnqOxS2Sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqpBshmRmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-NIUGNlRQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtlARD4fLec
July 12, 2017, 06:09:18 am 		1
Re: Left Hand Path Quotes While we are still here, we have come to know it [ātman].
If you've not known it, great is your destruction.
Those who have known it — they become immortal.
As for the rest — only suffering awaits them.

- upanishads
July 20, 2017, 03:05:19 am 		1
Re: feedback on me describing my beliefs? I have a question on Non dualism and dualism, they have been complicating definitions for me to soak in. When you say that you are a Non dualist in which I believe you consider yourself that way from reading some of your posts. Do you mean that you do not necessarily believe in opposites? I understand that dualism doesn't necessarily imply a good or evil it can imply everything I think that are opposites from each other. I guess Non dualism would imply no opposites?
July 20, 2017, 05:00:14 pm 		1
Re: feedback on me describing my beliefs? I can't say a whole lot because my interest in Hinduism and it's connections to the LHP literally began yesterday. It would actually be cool to know some of the sources you've taken from so I can look into them :). I certainly think you fit the title of Satanist, without question. Yet I'm almost entirely unfamiliar with the vast majority of the Eastern concepts you discuss here.

This is a very good work in progress. Assuming you're like me with writing and rewriting out your beliefs, I'd recommend in the next draft you expand on certain concepts more, do a bit more defining, maybe throw in some history. I find this very fascinating, and a synchronistic sign that LHP Hinduism is my next course of study.

Have you read the works of Grant or Michael Beretiux (sp?)? I'm wondering how they relate, if at all, because I was thinking of grabbing the Voodoo Gnostic Workbook .
July 21, 2017, 12:23:56 am 		1
Re: feedback on me describing my beliefs?
Quote from: Shamira on July 21, 2017, 12:59:27 am
Quote from: Xepera maSet on July 21, 2017, 12:23:56 am
I can't say a whole lot because my interest in Hinduism and it's connections to the LHP literally began yesterday. It would actually be cool to know some of the sources you've taken from so I can look into them :). I certainly think you fit the title of Satanist, without question. Yet I'm almost entirely unfamiliar with the vast majority of the Eastern concepts you discuss here.

This is a very good work in progress. Assuming you're like me with writing and rewriting out your beliefs, I'd recommend in the next draft you expand on certain concepts more, do a bit more defining, maybe throw in some history. I find this very fascinating, and a synchronistic sign that LHP Hinduism is my next course of study.

Have you read the works of Grant or Michael Beretiux (sp?)? I'm wondering how they relate, if at all, because I was thinking of grabbing the Voodoo Gnostic Workbook .

I actually hadn't heard of Michael Beretiux before.

As for the rest thanks. I've tried to figure out some of the history but that's been going kinda slowly. I'm probably going to want to break down a lot of the expansion in different articles over time. I wanted to just get a bigger picture overall but it did occur to me I might need to do more translations of the concepts than I did. Part of the problem is that some of the words even with a translation, their meaning isn't apparent at first.

Kashmir Shaivism is kind of a weird thing. It's fairly obscure, having went underground sometime around 1200-1400 CE although because of the 20th century revival it's now on the map for academics in India. So ya, pretty obscure though. Most Tantric Shaivism is dualistic, and when you say Hindu Tantra most people will think of Shakta religions.

Anyways come when I finish the post/article I'll get some sources on general information I've read before up for people to look into if they are interested. The hard part for me will actually be remembering Satanic sources. A lot of what I've done is somewhat unique to me although I can point towards what influenced me quite easily. I'll probably have to detail a lot of my past divination at some point for it to make sense.

I look forward to it!
July 21, 2017, 01:01:48 am 		1
Re: The inner struggle One way that you might try dealing with this is write yourself a letter.  When you write, pretend it is a friend of yours going through this asking you for advice. Leave it sit for a bit. Then read it. Write a letter back to your "friend" advising what you think he should do and what could potentially help him.

Because, I, or others here could all offer our opinions, but in the end it is your struggle.

The main thing that I would suggest is to remember that you are not the struggle. I can not  stress how important that is.

I hope this helps and stay strong.
July 25, 2017, 05:17:38 am 		1