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Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP? Many occultists believe that Thelema is inherently LHP, based on a faulty understanding of the Law of Thelema: Do what thou Wilt. This phrase inspires many people to believe that Thelema is advocating that people do whatever they want, which is a misunderstanding of the Law. Do what thou Wilt is generally understood by practicing Thelemites to mean that people should behave according to their True Will, rather than each whim. Various statements by Crowley imply that the True Will was individual, but followed basic rules, such as that it is no one's True Will to kill another. The acting of self in accordance with True Will is similar to the Taoist notion of people acting in accordance with ultimate nature (the Tao), or the Advaita Vedanta notion of discovering that the True Self (Atman) is just a mask for Ultimate Reality (Brahman). Because of the varied interpretations of True Will, I thought it would be productive to discuss whether Thelema is inherently RHP or LHP. I myself am a practicing Thelemite, and based on my own interpretations of my readings of Crowley, Thelema seems to be LHP, because while it frowns upon certain actions which are a part of free will, the individual is ultimately responsible for their own wellbeing, and must seek to alter the world to their productive desires.

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April 05, 2017, 08:31:31 pm
Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP? The Word of Thelema is the Will which enables each star to chart its own course through the cosmos, hence, from a Setian point of view it is a LHP philosophy.

The picture of a young man whose parents desire him to become a lawyer or medical doctor, but deep in his heart his life passion is in music and musical composition.  If he pursues the will of his parents, he is following the RHP, following the will of others and not his own True Will, his Thelema, and shall never be truly happy and fulfilled in his own being.  If, however, he pursues his own life's passion, his True Will, music and musical composition, he is treading the Path of the Left Hand, the path of most resistance and he shall become truly happy and fulfilled in his own Being.

April 05, 2017, 09:02:31 pm
Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP?
If he pursues the will of his parents, he is following the RHP, following the will of others

This makes the LHP seem like a very Western ideology, which is probably the case anyhow. Many Eastern ideologies, such as Buddhism and Confucianism, seem to place the individual desire below that of the group.

There are those who do consider Setian philosophy and its interpretation of certain Magical principles like Thelema as "Western LHP".  I would tend to agree.

April 06, 2017, 03:04:43 pm
Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP?
I think that there are two inherently different yet equally valid forms of Thelema. The most common is more appropriately called Crowleyanism, because it follows Crowley and his interpretation of the Law of Thelema, rather than what AL actually says. This is obvious because Crowley brought about a very solar based religion, yet the Book of the Law goes to great lengths and imagery to show it is stellar based. Crowley, despite his imagery, very much sought do dissolve himself into the All, losing his isolate consciousness in favor of the will of Nature/God. AL, on the other hand, is an elitist text that draws heavily on the symbolism of the Pyramid Texts. The individual is elevated to godhood, the gods bow before them, the focus is on the night sky, and so forth. So while Crowley seems to have interpreted things as RHP, Thelema can equally be seen as LHP.

My issue with this analysis is that Crowley says "Every man and every woman is a star" means that every person is the center of their own universe, just as a star is the local center of orbit in the vast majority of cases. He says this in his commentary on the AL. I think this reflects that Thelema was indeed LHP, especially when the role of the Sun comes into play as the main God. If worship of the Sun is proper, and every person is their own Sun, than Thelema is very LHP.

April 17, 2017, 03:40:50 pm
Re: Love
I may not "love" unconditionally, that is too risky. But I do "love" seeing people push beyond their limitations, self-imposed or otherwise. That is what motivates me. I can't Xeper for anyone else, but will at least try to provide an online environment conducive to personal development, and help in the small ways I can.

What is your definition of "love"?

Love is a complex emotion.  Neither do I love unconditionally now days.  For me, to "love" something involves very strong positive feelings and emotions towards something I would defend and fight for its preservation, disregarding harm that may come to my own being in so doing.

May 09, 2017, 05:17:49 pm
Re: The Prince of Darkness living separately from the OU My view is probably a little different, but I would say that it's reflected within ourselves and in the physical Universe as well. That it manifests in a variety of ways. I have an emenational model that explains how this all works, and the inter-dependence of the microcosm and macrocosm (subjective and objective universe, as you will).

With that said, I don't think that The Prince of Darkness, Satan, Set, whatever you want to call it, exists separate from anything but is the sum of everything as the total whole of the system. What I mean by that is, it on it's own is identifiable as discrete even though it is that which makes things indiscreet from each other, including itself.

I wouldn't say that it's a subjective universe/microcosm unto itself in the most primal form, as that would necessitate that it has to rely on, or had at one point, the/a physical universe. Rather I see this most primal level as the inherent aspects of reality that allowed the creative force to exist in the first place. It's essentially a foundation on which everything else is built.

Interestingly in my belief system, there is a potential point of liberation/realization that simultaneously cements the individual as having all these/the characteristics of The Prince of Darkness/Satan/ect while also individuating them as a distinct personality of it. In the most literal sense one actually becomes a literal god.

Which brings me to how we experience Prince of Darkness/Satan/Set ect, as a personality. I would propose that these are potentially subjective universes that we interact with and may of once been flesh and blood beings like ourselves. They would be equally distinct and indistinct from other things, even though they are infinitely more themselves as personalities than any normal consciousness. This is achieved by taking on the qualities of the most primal form of the Prince of Darkness/ect which transforms that limited individual consciousness into universal consciousness, but since it still maintains doership it is still a discrete personality even though it is aware of other personalities that also exist as universal consciousness. It's still totally itself, the same personality that it was as a limited consciousness but with "upgraded" characteristics that allow it to manifest it's will in the greatest way possible.

So to me, the Prince of Darkness when experienced as an intelligence is several such personalities that are either similar or have similar goals, and that they likely are microcosms/SU's onto themselves.

Them having universal consciousness actually explains their source of power, and is a potential way to explain almost-supernatural like phenomena of Greater Black Magick. What I mean is, when a god exerts their will or someone performs Greater Black Magick with great success it is because for a brief moment they slightly entered into universal consciousness and were able to warp physical reality to their will. This is because the Physical/objective/macrocosm is the expression of the will of things with that quality of universal consciousness.

I apologize if that sounds complex or my explanation was lacking, you kind of have to 'get' the entire system on a sufficient level to fully understand the implications of any  constituent part and so it can be a little dense approaching it from the outside. Reading on it sometimes even I get kinda lost. But once you start to 'get' it you realize that the difficulties of understanding is mostly issues of language, not of the ideas themselves, other than perhaps being alien at first to most people.

If anyone is interested, I can talk more on this subject, or reveal my sources, but I first want honest opinions. Not that I am accusing anyone here of it, but I know how opinionated us Left Hand Path folks can be myself included about other groups/sources and sometimes that causes us to dismiss something without taking the time to understand the actual content fully.

May 21, 2017, 08:07:03 am
Re: The Prince of Darkness living separately from the OU Set, the Prince of Darkness, does exist independently of and separate from the objective universe.  Set exists within the universe but he, in his unique State of Being, is not a creature of the universe.  Set's name ultimately means the Separator or Isolator -- to "Set Apart".  It is this uniqueness of Set as a separate consciousness which defines his very existence, a Being able to create and destroy in accordance with his own Mind and Will uninfluenced by the natural resistance of the cosmic inertia.  Set is the god of the subjective universe as he gave us the ability, through our sentience, to perceive and understand the universe in our own individual ways.

Furthermore, as Set infused within that which would become mankind the Gift of his own Essence so also have we become creatures distinct and separate from the resistance of the cosmic inertia.  It is through this Gift that we are become at once child and father of the Universe.  As humans we are physical creatures of nature, however, our existence is a duel one for as bearers of the Black Flame, Magically we also stand apart from nature.

May 22, 2017, 04:01:50 pm
Re: To Become A God To work and strive towards becoming the supreme and complete manifestation of my Higher Self, to become equipped like and equal to the Prince of Darkness in my collaboration with him/It in the re-creation of the Cosmos as a reflection and embodiment of the eternal glory of the Setian/Satanic Mind and Will.
May 30, 2017, 05:13:02 pm
Re: The Symbol of the Serpent While researching this I have had something of a revelation regarding the serpent as a representation of the sacred feminine, originating with Wadjet in Egypt and proceeding via Minoan culture into the Hellenic realm, and arguably echoed in Mesopotamian and Hebrew myth.  I will have more to say on this in the coming weeks, but I am finding the connections stirring and profound.
June 02, 2017, 01:14:41 am
Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP @Liu I read it in either Gap: A Left Hand Approach to Odinism or Myrkthursablot: The Nightside of Norse Mythology. Books sold by Fall of Man.

This model is inspired by the rune old english rune for Eihwaz which makes sense given the rune's associations.

October 03, 2017, 07:48:40 pm