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Re: Typhonian Current/Trilogies (Kenneth Grant-related) So that's what the Mauve zone is, I definitely need to look into that ASAP.

Kenneth Grant is a complicated man so it's hard to come to a universal consensus with him. To me, it's worse than Crowley being complicated as Crowley seemed to always follow a sort of logic that could explain his shocking actions or philosophy one like myself might disagree with, he's internally consistent and straight-foward.

Kenneth Grant is a complicated man because his actions are, not entirely logical. I remember Crowley making fun of Grant's wild leaps and speculations about the LAM portrait that Crowley drew behind his back which can honestly just sum up Grant's whole thought process and writing style.

This doesn't, however, mean Grant is just a rambling mad-man with no bearing on the truth. He may come off as a rambling mad-man here and there but he'll definitely have some great observations that may or may not be related but will have great arguments for them being so. A really good example his him linking both Lovecraft and Crowley to being prophets of similar forces through different lenses, which is an idea that has not disappeared in modern occultism as Peter Carroll likes to think Aiwass is Nyarlhotep. I need to read his books, I've only read a bit of magickal revival but it's very interesting so far. He did contribute a lot of key progressions to occultism despite criticisms, the Qlipoth or Tunnels of Set is only fleshed out because of Grant's work with them, Crowley basically just gave the sigils and that's it. Mauve Zone is a great addition. He was the most convincing author to link Lovecraft gnosis to occultism and probably had the best reasoning. I would say Ma'at Magick, while I find it interesting, is an action that speaks to his inability to filter through silly stuff that compromises his whole work to many. 

While I do think his writing style is representative of some over-all problems with Grant as a occultist and teacher, his contributions speak for themselves and to write them all off is to not only throwing a baby out with a bathwater but it's a demonstration of the inability to understand Grant as well. I feel a large portion of Grant's unlogical writing style is his own form of blinds or to create a certain magical effect/thinking, sort of like a hypersigil, and very similar to how Peter J. Carrol uses quantam mechanics to help convince himself of various paradigms. Sometimes the best ritual for a paradigm shift is philosophical wanking filled with bullshit and that's okay if you're in control of your delusions.

March 09, 2018, 05:20:29 am
Re: My GF just blew my mind a bit Peter J. Carrol has a very convincing argument against "Er corgito er sum" or I think therefore I am in
 the Panpsychism and Multimind sections of Apophenia.

In short,

Panpsychism(the doctrine or belief that everything material, however small, has an element of individual consciousness)- The concept of this is it is hard to argue that something consists of "being" something when we break it into a microscopic level. For instance, look at a stone. It's not really "being a stone" break it down to atomic levels and it's filled with atoms moving around, vibrating, and down to quantam mechianics- wave particles coming and it out of existence and is even possibly made up of more empty space than quarks. The stone, a stationary object, is constantly doing not being, part of it's doing involves not being, in fact.

Now apply this to something that movies and grows quite obvioulsy like a human being.

"A so-called attribute of 'being' invariably arises from some kind of doing if you examine it closely enough.

We inhabit a universe of events, not a universe full of things. Phenomena can give the macroscopic impression of having "being" or "thingness" but only because they actually consist of ongoing processes.

I don't know about you, but I certainly do not have any sort of intrinsic being apart from what I do. In my youth I exhibited various behaviours, performed various thoughts, emotions, and acts, and expressed various opinions and ideals. In my middle years I now do different activities, my body looks different, and it contains hardly any of the atoms or molecules that it did decades ago. I seem to have irretrievably lost many memories of trivial or boring events; and my mind now contains many things that it did not in my youth. When, or if, I get older, the older version may differe markedy from the current one in what it does.

Thus I conclude I do not have any sort of 'being', I consist only of the totality of what I do. I proceed through time as a process.

The concept of being may seem a harmless enough but rather sloppy and inaccurate way of modelling reality but it leads to appaling consequences. Every use of the words of the verb "to be", like "is" or "are", conceals a false of questionable premis.

The statement "Today 'is' Wednesday" has only lmited applicability, it may well not apply to the situation on the other side of the planet. The assertion that "Pete 'is' stupid" has an outrageous generality. Does he invariably exhibit stupid behaviour?

If we want to philosophise with clarity we can not say that any phenomena 'is' we marely apply a label to it, or say what its behaviour resembles. We can only define the phenomena in terms of their resembance to other phenmena and by implication, to what they do.

Any statement about what anything 'is' only has utility to the extent that it implies what it does. When we speak of what any phenomenon does, we actually imply what we think it has done and what we think it will do."

Yadda, yadda. Am being a deritive of to be is a faulty philosophical statement that does not necesarrily convey the truth and Descartes' failed to doubt it because of the ego. If we can take fault with "Am" as a faulty discriptor than we must examine "I think therefore I am". He was proving "I'.

I'll skim over multimind and post the relevant bit in the next reply.

March 09, 2018, 05:37:24 am
Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP? Before I reply, one important distinction I was referring to binding the demons which is customary after K&C with HGA, not binding the HGA.

I think I mostly agree with you @Mindmaster  at least in large chunks, I'm just overcomplicating it. I explored nonduality thinking for a while but like you said, nonduality doesn't invalidate duality awarness. I would also take nonduality in metaphysical ways as well which is both very much true and not true, all at the same time.

I think nonduality is a great realization but it's not the goal post, it's the clearing out of illusions to try to understand something complicated with more nuance. Okay, so we can get rid of the good/bad dichotomoty without non-dual thinking but we're still left with coutnless philosophical theories like functionalism to explore. In light of exploring them and finding out new stuff, it becomes important to re-assess earlier philosophies like dualistic thinking through the new lens to further understand all concepts more as well as what we can of the world.

March 10, 2018, 10:25:50 pm
Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP? One, I agree that Setianism is an amazing compliment to Thelema. A lot of people here have really got me into the Setian side of things, and I work within that philosophy a lot when leaning LHP but I've branched more into Draconian from there with Kelly. I'm about to revisit the roots in the Order of Leviathan, I think.

As for the HGA being a christian working, I'm going to have to disagree completely on that. It's a christian term taken from a grimoire that uses a christian paradigm but it's has a much older lineage dating back to the Greco-Magico Papyri which is why Crowley revisited the latter's barbarous words when creating Liber Samekh.

I'd actually be the asshole to argue that Crowley's approach to demonology and demonalotry is his most christian magic and Crowley's approach to the HGA is his most satanic magic because the subversion makes the contrarian in me giddy but also because it's basically true. He saw his demons as something to be bound in the name of his HGA to be put in service to perfecting his will which is a very RHP way of approaching it wheras Crowley out-right says "oh satan, give me suck" in Liber Samekh and if he did accompish his Will as helped to by his angel, crucifying a frog while complaining how Jesus ruled everything isn't really Christian.

March 11, 2018, 12:09:42 am
Re: Discussion on Thelema: RHP or LHP? That last bit basically as an example of what I was trying to say.

A lot of this stuff can serve any purpose. But that doesn't mean that purpose doesn't exisit, either within or without that stuff, you simply decide what purpose it serves by your interaction with it.

March 11, 2018, 12:11:04 am
Re: What are you reading? I just read "I Wanna be Well How A Punk Found Peace and You Can Too" in one sitting. It sounds like a standard self-help book and it kind of is in a lot of ways but it's written by the guy from the punk band Teenage Bottlerocket. It's esentially about how he used bits of buddhist and yogi philosophy to find peace in sections, I feel the self help style actually worked for it. It was a chapter detailing the concept, a tl;dr and a mindfulness exercise whether it's meditation, yoga, or his own versions of mindfulness. I read it in one sitting in the store but I ended up buying it because having it on hand will help me put mindfulness practices in praxis thouroughly. Of course, philosophically you're better off going to straight to the source but it is entertaining to see a old punk rocker's thoughts on some of the philosophy.  "This includes assholes. In fact they often us more, in terms of life lessons and opportunities. Like growth? Thank a jerk!"

Overall: 7.5/10 but in terms of practicality to my life right now i'll give it a 8/10 since it's an important reminder of praxis I neglected.

I also bought Vagabonding by Rolf Potts as preparation for the future. I want to travel more and part of that is learning to do it affordably and my job will probably involve a lot of travel anyways so I look forward to reading it. Also got Zinester's Guide to NYC since I love to travel up there still. I don't know when my next trip is but I do know I need to find more local, hole in the wall places whenever I go again. I think my new tradition when I travel to a new state/city will be to get a Zinester's Guide to ___ as well as Weird U.S. on it.

X by Chuck Klosterman was my other new purchase. It looks fucking great, I loved his book Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs which I had to read for pop culture class and I loved it. These are various unpublished articles of his from throughout time.

My occultism is just sutding the runes one by one by switching between various books at the moment and finishing a couple on my backlist(Apophenia which is only a couple chapters left, and great perfection doctrine which I havent read but is super short).

March 12, 2018, 03:11:26 am
King Mob- Journal II I had deleted past journal thread for reasons, I don't like to amass too much personal information in one thread.

But I just had to posted with how delighted I've come with my blapshemy lately, of basically everything single tradition I used. Working within the Nordic system? Okay but I'm siding with the Thursatru philosophy. So I'm anticosmic? Alright, well I'm gonna take some buddhist philosophy and praxis. Alright well, that's actually a good idea for foundation and doesn't invalidate your focus on Norse for sorcery rule. Nope, read that Slavic middle path book you have to learn how to reconcile both practice. Alright will that might be beneficial and not too different- and pre-order that new anticosmic egpytian book coming out.

It's pretty much EVERYTHING people complain about in Westerner's syncretic magic but part of the fun of your own path, especially in chaos magick, is creating a unique paradigm and sorcery style. I compare it to Bruce Lee's Jet Kune Do philosophy. Understand the philosophy of other beliefs than strip it of everything but the practical, it takes a lot of work but it's very rewarding when it begins to come together nicely.

March 12, 2018, 03:33:24 am
Re: Typhonian Current/Trilogies (Kenneth Grant-related) I fucking love Jung. He pops up in my own personal paradigm a lot and I just worked some Jungian chaos magic today.

I'll definitely checkout Wisdom of S'lba soon. However, Liber Okbish is what really captures my attention from this thread as a spider is one of my spirit animals.

March 12, 2018, 03:36:11 am
Liber Isfet the first grimoire devoted to Ancient Egyptian Chaos Worship Wow, this looks incredibly interesting. Even if many of you here are into anto chaos-gnosticism and anticosmicism as much as I am, I'm sure a lot of the Setians and Thelemites here will find the Egyptian imagery eye catching.  :) 

It's the featured text on fallofman at the moment so it has a full page, list of chapters, and interview with the writer. It definitely has my intrigued, really looking forward to the chapters on Set-Typhon and Apep. Given that the chaos worship and egyptian mythology have been close to my heart for so long now, I'm definitely excited. I really hope it doesn't disappoint.

Any thoughts?

March 12, 2018, 07:57:19 am
Re: Upcoming Book Let me know when the book is available, I'd love to read it!
March 14, 2018, 12:27:36 am