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Re: Is there an ideology outside the LHP which values the Self? Max Stirner, the author of "The Ego and Its Own" is (arguably) the Self's supreme advocate.
Here be Wikipedia .
Also worth a peek

September 02, 2017, 03:46:17 pm
Re: Is there an ideology outside the LHP which values the Self? I was pondering the notion of Self in Jainism. At least nominally the Individual Self is the sovereign reality and Self liberation the highest task in Jainism: "Jainism strongly upholds the individualistic nature of soul and personal responsibility for one's decisions; and that self-reliance and individual efforts alone are responsible for one's liberation...Jainism does not invoke fear of or reverence for God or conformity to the divine character as a reason for moral behaviour, and observance of the moral code is not necessary simply because it is God's will. Neither is its observance necessary simply because it is altruistic or humanistic, conducive to general welfare of the state or the community. Rather it is an egoistic imperative aimed at self-liberation. While it is true that in Jainism, the moral and religious injunctions were laid down as law by Arihants who have achieved perfection through their supreme moral efforts, their adherence is just not to please a God, but because the life of the Arihants has demonstrated that such commandments were conducive to the Arihant's own welfare, helping them to reach spiritual victory. Just as the Arihants achieved moksha or liberation by observing the moral code, so can anyone, who follows this path." Obviously the reality of Jainism as it is practiced in the real world is a wee bit different...
September 06, 2017, 03:49:18 pm
Re: Is there an ideology outside the LHP which values the Self? Regarding crossfire's helpful explanatory comment:
"Jainism is a Shramanic path like Buddhism.  Jainism views karma as like a sticky substance that keeps the jiva trapped, unlike Buddhism which views karma as intention.  So in practice, Jainism is more focused on freeing the jiva from the sticky karma than on freeing your mind like Buddhism, so you will see some odd practices in Jainism related to this".
That's entirely correct with the tiniest of caveats that in some Jain traditions this is understood "differently". In 1994 I got to spend some time with the Digambar Jain Association in London when it was explained to me that in the teaching of Kunda Kunda,  because of the innate perfection and purity of the jiva, no karma can actually become attached (no, I don't properly understand this either!). Presumably in this teaching karma's effect is roughly analogous to that of Buddhism...

September 06, 2017, 07:53:33 pm
Setians and the Forth Way I'm interested in hearing what folk think about Gurdjieff's idea of individualization as a process of self- creation (that we are not a self but a conflicted bundle of selves that must become a self through effort) in relation to Left Hand Path ideas of the Self and Xeper.

"One of man’s important mistakes, one which must be remembered, is his illusion in regard to his I. Man such as we know him, the "man-machine," the man who cannot "do," and with whom and through whom everything "happens," cannot have a permanent and single I. His I changes as quickly as his thoughts, feelings and moods, and he makes a profound mistake in considering himself always one and the same person; in reality he is always a different person, not the one he was a moment ago".

"Without self knowledge, without understanding the working and functions of his machine, man cannot be free, he cannot govern himself and he will always remain a slave."

- In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching.

September 08, 2017, 12:53:14 pm
Re: I need your help with a particular idea I have I'm possibly coming a bit late to this, however...
“I'd appreciate if you were to help me sort these following Forms from the most necessary (to humans) to the least”.
May I suggest a collocation to your Infernal Hierachy in the idea of an Infernal constellation. I’ve been thrashing round the internet looking for a half decent (vaguely intelligible) description of the Adorno/Benjamin concept of the constellation and found this:“a constellation involves various elements in array or juxtaposition, rather than in a ranked or se-quenced order. In this way, the critic better understands the various relationships among the individual elements or the elements taken as a  group”
This model alleviates the problem of privileging one Form over another in a hierarchically entailed manner.

September 10, 2017, 08:34:23 am
Re: Michael Aquino and AMORC I seem to have inadvertently generated rather more heat than light!

"It's not a concern of mine or a mystery to me, but if it is so "bewildering" to you perhaps you should ask Dr. Aquino yourself?"

Setamontet - not sure you intended that to be quite as disapproving as it sounds, however, given the significance of Michael Aquino, my query seemed both legitimate and reasonable to me on a forum rich in Setians. I can appreciate your lack of concern, but this is a High Priest of Set, founder of ToS, associating himself with, well, AMORC.  My query arose from information Michael Aquino posted [crossfire thanks for fixing the link] himself, not from trawling through his bins and I promise you I don’t own a telephoto lens.  [I did try to look on Michael Aquino's Google+ Profile page but sadly the link doesn't seem to work and I can find no recent reliable comment regarding the matter]. I received a very kind letter from Michael Aquino in the late 80’s (difficult time for a lot of folk) but I in no sense know him personally or as a correspondent, unlike some of the folk here, so I wouldn’t just fire off a single issue inquisitorial email!

“Dr. Aquino is his own being and does not owe anyone any kind of explanation, and is not obligated to provide any further answers to anybody or any questions than he already has over so many years and decades.”

Well yes obviously, but AMORC seems such an unusual (and yes "bewildering") esoteric school choice as to provoke my curiosity and query! I rather expected someone here would offer me a link or offer me an informed opinion (thank you pi_ramasses). I mean we value a a questioning intellect don't we?

September 14, 2017, 01:11:08 pm
Re: The Enneagram I think getting to the origin of this symbol is something of a nightmare. There are lots of theories of ancient origins, but it can only really be said that it appeared as an illustrative figure published in 1949 in Chapter 14 of “In Search of the Miraculous” by P.D. Ouspensky  reproducing the teaching of G.I.Gurdjieff. Since then it’s had an extraordinary life. I remember a vogue for Roman Catholic Enneagram Retreats in Dublin in the late 80s (taught by Nuns)!
This ought to be an authoritative exposition of the Forth Way understanding, “The Enneagram A Lecture by G.I.Gurdjieff”,
As for the LHP, in Michael Aquino’s introduction to “The Satanic Bible” he states, “Thus a distinct effort is made to avoid what was perhaps the Achilles' heel of the Gurdjieff-Ouspensky school of subjective psychological evolution; earlier disciples of self-determined transcendentalism postulated that all non-materialistic sensations were a danger to the coherence of the student” This suggests to me that from at least 1972 Guidjeff was being considered in LHP circles and by extension the Enneagram.
There is information on the Enneagram in the “The Fourth Way and the Left Hand Path” section of Stephen E Flowers “Lords of the Left Hand Path”:
“The Enneagram
In Meetings with Remarkable Men Gurdjieff ascribed the symbol of the enneagram to a legendary “Sarmoun Brotherhood.” This appears to be pure mythologizing on Gurdjieff’s part, but that has nothing to do with its usefulness as a symbol. Gurdjieff said of it that it rendered books useless because it contained all the wisdom necessary to human development. The ninefold cosmology is common among Indo-European mythologies — most prominently among the Germanic peoples with the “nine worlds” contained in the cosmic tree called Yggdrasill.
The enneagram describes the harmonization of three dissimilar processes: linear progression, dynamic cycle, and static coalescence. All three are necessary and none is reducible to one of the others. Figure 8.5 [which I can’t reproduce!] shows all three properties. This is how the Law of Three and the Octave are harmonized and it is by understanding how this works that progress in development and mastery over events in one’s life are gained.
The serpent of sequential linear time, Cronos, describes the apparent eternal progress of events, while the dynamic (and non-linear from the perspective of the sequence 1-9) recurrent cyclical rhythm of 1-4-2-8-5-7 is demonstrated by the complex “hexad” within the circle and the static coalescence of 9-3-6 is indicated by the static triangle”.
Hope this helps a wee bit.

September 15, 2017, 08:10:09 pm
Re: Michael Aquino and AMORC Setamontet - I appreciate that. Thank you [I'd add an appropriate emoji but they are entirely mysterious to me!].
September 16, 2017, 03:35:55 pm
Re: Heidegger and the concept of "Being". {Thanks Xepera maSet for bumping this, I had missed it].
Heidegger’s philosophy has been used as the ideal tool to determine authenticity in Protestant Christianity (Bultmann, Macquarrie), Catholic Christianity (Rahner), Judaism (YES REALLY) Gnosticism (Jonas), Buddhism (Batchelor), Paganism, Deep Ecology, Posthumanism, Alt Right, Old Right, certain schools of Marxism, and this comes nowhere near an exhaustive list.
I think the ubiquity of Heidegger points to the real utility of his thought, that it allows the translation of poorly grounded metaphysical concepts into pseudo-grounded philosophical concepts (since they end up grounded in themselves). Heidegger’s thought derives its traction from circularizing sleight of hand and a deliberate application of impenetrability. Heidegger noli me tangeres every concept as a direct impediment to the questioning intellect. Apply pressure to his investigation of "Being" and all that is solid melts into air (though in this case all that is profane is holied!). OK, I appear to be ranting...
Jung btw not entirely a Heidegger fan. In a letter of 1943 he writes: “I regard all speculations that exceed our capacities as sterile griping and at the same time a pretext for covering up one’s own infertility. This kind of criticism leads only to the mastery of complicated banalities, the Platonic exemplar of which is embodied for me in the philosopher Heidegger”.
Looking for that quote led me to this (well worth a peek):
Finally google black notebooks to enjoy some serious bullshit regarding Weltjudentum!

September 17, 2017, 12:27:47 pm
Re: Heidegger and the concept of "Being". PS [Bugger! hadn’t wanted to bring n “Jargon of Authenticity” as Adorno is legendarily abstruse. However this six point summary is absolutely germane]:
Found this summary of Adorno’s “Jargon of Authenticity” critique of Heidegger:
1.   "Authenticity" is a spirituality that follows no doctrine. This way a way for someone, suggestive of heidegger, to prevent him from falling back into religion.
2.   This creates an environment prone to fascism and totalitarianism since the "Jargon" following the "authenticity" has a need for submission to an object, a void which a totalitarian regime would fill.
3.   Furthermore, "autheniticity" creates a lack of individuality amongst those accepting the doctrine because the words employed do not have any specific content to them, which dismantles the entire idea of the speaking self.
4.   The "Jargon", in following "autheniticity", gain authority based upon saying what people already thinking because they do not have a specific self. Thus, basically becoming a walking advertisement for the current thought of the world.
5.   The "authentic" person would feel powerless and nothingness within their character because they would have religious traits, but nothing to make themselves humble before. This only allows the individual to become nothing but what their social functions add up to.
6.   "In Heidegger, the subject is authentic to itself, the very definition of authenticity, so one’s own subjectivity is the judge of what is authentic. Reason is discarded as a judge at this point," (126).
All caveats aside (and as per, I have a few) if you consider points 3 and 6 you end up with an individuality divested of individuality!

September 17, 2017, 01:26:46 pm