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Review: Dastur Adam Daniels - First Step Toward Ahriman Well, if this section is for "favorite books" then this thread might be wrong here. But I suppose I could give some reviews on books I read related to the LHP. And I would be interested in such reviews by other users here so I suppose I'll just start in this fashion.

The last such book I read was "First Step Toward Ahriman" by Adam Daniels, the founder of the Dakhma of Angra Mainyu, a kind of initiatory school combining the philosophy of the western LHP with Zoroastrian mythology and practices derived from Tantra.

That book is the basic text they give to their novices (it's also available for the general public, though, and many of its texts can also be found online).
It's a complilation of three other books of the author. And it's really a mixed bag.
It's about 300 pages long, but with such a big font size that I read it in just 2 days.

It starts with a huge section narrating the Zoroastrian mythology from the perspective of Ahriman.
Nice to read, but well, it's in the nature of mythology, but a lot seems really random. It could need some exegesis, so to speak. Probably the reader is either expected to make up their own interpretations, or to listen to those by the group (some rather interesting ones can be found on their YT-channel). Well, considering the target audience that's nothing I should complain about I guess.

Then there are a few lists on the mythological characters relevant to Ahrimanism. Helpful. Although I don't necessarily agree with all their incorporations of Hindu deities. Yes, Zoroastrianism can be seen as inverse Hinduism in quite some aspects, and Ahrimanism as inverse Zoroastrianims then would of course fit well to Hinduism. Still don't see why I should combine Vedic deity-concepts with tantric practices.

Then follow some excerpts from the Al-Jiwah and later the 19 Enochian Keys. Neither something that I hold much interest in.

Between those there are two more interesting sections: Hymns/Prayers, and Philosophy.
The hymns and prayers are well-written for the most part and shed some further light on several of the many mythological characters listed before. If one was interested in working with a whole pantheon of deities then this would be really helpful.
The philosophy part contains nothing really new for me, but it is well-written and agreeable.

The last part of the book is what I had the highest expectations on - a curriculum on initiatory rituals for the duration of 1 year (not one different ritual for every day, but for example one for night 1-5, then one for night 6-15, etc.).
However, a huge part of the practices there seem to be directed at people coming from a Christian background and still clinging to that morality, as a help for them to get themselves out of that.
I may consider myself a beginner in spiritual matters (or maybe simply blind on my third eye), but nevertheless even I had already done quite a bunch of the practices suggested  before, e.g. simple breathing exercises, masturbating before one's altar, dedicating the different parts of one's body to Ahriman (admittedly, that idea I got from one of their videos I think), visualizations, several self-reflection meditations,...
A major section of these rituals also consists of invocations to Enochian demons, which, as mentioned before, I'm not really interested in.

Nevertheless, I would maybe do at least part of that curriculum as, on one hand, it really is helpful to have clear instructions what to do if just to form a habit of practicing rituals on any regular basis, and on the other hand, there are some practices included that I do see quite some worth in doing and that might profit from being done in something like the order suggested.

However, every ritual is to be begun by reciting one and the same nightly prayer. Not that this would be an issue in and of itself, but it's over 3 pages long and written in a style that I really can't relate to. It's basically an inversion of a prayer taken from the Avesta, but done in such a sloppy manner that I wonder whether it's because English is not my native language or whether actually quite a few sentences don't even make sense grammatically. And some of entities mentioned in it are referred to by a different name that can't be found anywhere else the book with no reason given (e.g. Indar/Indra, Naunghaithyn/Nanshait, I suppose).
You can find the text of that prayer here on page 20-23 in another publication by the author:
I would prefer basically any other hymn or prayer published by them to use instead, and they have some fairly pretty ones indeed.

Also, I rarely read a book with so many typos. Some even changed the meaning in ways that were obviously not intended.

So, not sure what to make of that. Probably I'm just not really the target audience, but well, why not? I'm a devil-worshipper who likes calling his deity Ahriman (among several other names) and who wants to get more spiritual. How doesn't that fit?

October 13, 2017, 11:07:01 am
Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP

PS. Working with a consciousness god could be very rewarding. You know, I read somewhere that Satan might have actually come from the word Wotan/Wodan. Wotan/Wotanaz is far closer to the word Satan/Satanaz/Satanas than Odin, funny enough. Not because of the spelling, but because of the root words and letters. If I find the source, I'll let you know. What do you think about this as well btw? Could it be the same entity?
I noticed the video you posted about this in the chat, and just a heads up by an actual linguist: it's full of bullshit.
Using the Greek spelling to derive a Hebrew word's relationship to a German one makes no sense in the first place. The Digamma-letter they mention wasn't used anymore since centuries at the time of the New Testament (except as a numeral), nor does it even appear in the Greek spelling of Satan. (Well, the last letter of "Σατανας" does look a bit like the numeral shape ϛ of digamma, but it's a different sign and is not even the letter they refer to in the video).
The Fehu rune is pronounced different from the Digamma (and wouldn't even appear in the runic spelling of Wotan). Not saying that there might be no relation between them as the letter shape of digamma (Ϝ) has some similarities to the Fehu rune ᚠ and yes, w and f have some phonological similarities. But actually, words that would have been spelt with a fehu in Germanic would have been spelt with a pi (π) in Greek, e.g. the Ancient Greek etymological equivalent to English "foot", Germanic "fōts" is Ancient Greek "πούς".

The etymology of Odin/Wotan is not completely certain (but well, nothing is completely certain in this science). But from what I read in actual scientific literature again and again, it goes back to a word probably referring to a change of consciousness, like rage or ecstasy, possibly one induced by shamanic practices.
It's etymologically related to for example German "wüten" ("to wreck havok"), or "Wut" ("anger"). That it's lacking the "w" in Northern Germanic languages is a completely normal pronunciation change that occurs in language history all the time. Also the vowel difference in the second syllable is not that uncommon.

I see no way how a Indo-European word for rage and a Semitic word for adversary could be likely etymologically related, especially due to the lack of language contact at the necessary points in time. Well, admittedly, there is one not so mainstream hypothesis that there were some Semitic tribes (e.g. Phoenicians) in western Europe which had a certain influence on the development of the Germanic language and from which several loan words were taken. I don't know enough about Semitic languages to tell how likely or unlikely that hypothesis is. But even if it's true, and the Germanic peoples actually adopted the name of Satan from some Semitic language, the sound shifts which this would have gone through would have most likely resulted in something very different from "Wotan" or "Odin", and it at least would have nothing at all to do with the "explanation" in that video.

October 13, 2017, 01:35:29 pm
Re: What are you reading?
Which exercises have you started, out of curiosity?
Just began reading yesterday, as I said, so not much yet ^^ Still at the intro of Apophis. But regarding Aegishjalmur I've started with those visualizations that are to be done 9 nights in a row. I actually had started those when I first read Apophis and Aegeshjalmur's beginning some years ago, but didn't do more than like the first 2 or 3, and not in any focused fashion. That kind of visualization still isn't easy, but it worked much better so far now that I actually put some more effort into it.

And I at least printed out those pages which are about the rune meanings and poses and would like to study those next. Actually I'm a bit skeptical whether those rune poses are anything worthwhile as I've not done anything like that before (well, I do hatha yoga regularly, but in a pretty much completely unspiritual manner so far), so I'm curious to see whether that technique proves useful.
I already have a rough idea of the rune meanings since I once read a book by Jan Fries on that and actually incorporate some runes as symbols in my personal notes since quite a while already. But re-reading that chapter showed me how much I had forgotten due to never using it.

Those exercizes on the 5 senses, yeah I remember reading about them but I lacked the discipline at that time to actually practice that much.

October 13, 2017, 06:25:38 pm
Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP
I tried to read all the posts but skimmed pages 2 and 3 lol. I didn't know I was late to the party darn it.
Welcome back ^^

I've always said it seems weirdly semantical. Even if you became a love-craftian horror or whatever, they were cosmic horrors. I mean, there is no "outside" of the cosmos by definition. If you went "outside" of it you would just expand the scope of the cosmos. Simply existing within the cosmos.
I would say that "out of the cosmos" here means "outside of the laws of nature, including time and logic". You could argue that such a "place" would still be part of the cosmos by simply existing, but actually this chaos is seen as "existing" beyond even the duality of existence and non-existence.
Make of that mystic babble what you will.

Regarding Lovecraftian deities, I have encountered interpretations that considered them to be extra-cosmic, but admittedly that doesn't seem to be canon.

"Since chaos is all possibilities and none at the same time, one could argue that you merge, but are your own independent entity at the same time."

You've just very aptly described how Shivagama is described in Trika (Kashmir Shaivism, whatever). I'm actually pretty impressed. I wouldn't of called it chaos, maybe Shiva or Satan, but the thing there is the same, just different symbols and names.
  :mrgreen: Thought about the same when I read that post.

However something important to note,  I wouldn't call Trika anti-cosmic... if anything this Universe becomes the vessel of one's expression, not something to shun. So maybe you would differ with me on that. If so I don't know what I could offer since the Universe plays a big role in becoming one's "Shakti" in that system. But it's nice to see something comparable.
I can't speak for @Setamorphosis, but I have the impression that his version is anticosmic in a different sense than from what e.g. the MLO seems to refer to in their writings. On the other hand, even they don't seem to always take their own claims that literally.

In either case don't worry about it, it sounds perfectly LHP to me. Again I wouldn't of used the merge language but @Liu was right earlier in saying it's in line with the eastern view of LHP (or at least the nondual LHP I'm familiar with, not sure about dualistic LHP Shakta; I'm just a Shaivite, and my branch of shaivism has been near dead for centuries).
Always nice when my vague understanding of Shaivism gets confirmed by an actual practitioner  :D

October 15, 2017, 10:42:18 am
Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP
I think this is accurate, the abyss is seen as the place in between this cosmos and kether by some RHP philosophies. One might see as it the bleed between the multiverse. A lot of interpretations. What existed before the big bang. Etc. Most interpret Cosmos to mean this specific universe in manifestation but I'm sure one could argue it to mean that includes everything including could bes, what-ifs, nothings.

Since you mention Keter - I think those that combine qabbalah with chaos rather see chaos as being even beyond Keter (or Taumiel in qliphotic terms). More like the Ain Sof. The abyss would be somewhere on the way to it, but not it itself.

When I use it in my own terms, I mean to describe something entirely indifferent to our understanding of things. I think Peter Carrol describes it best when he calls them Tranplutonary Forces. Or they could possibly be the darkest parts of our own mind.
Yeah, that's always the question - are we describing something out there or something inside ourselves? And does it even make a difference?

October 15, 2017, 06:38:08 pm
Re: Billy Brujo-Scrapbook of Shadows Ah, I remember watching that vid couple days ago. Fun channel but he rarely mentions things I'd actually find useful.

I have a journal (which includes mundane notes as well as for example a dream journal), but not a grimoire.
Well, in a way my journal in and of itself is a tool of magic as I use it for goal-setting, self-reflection and motivating myself. In other words, a tool of shadow work and self-transformation, even if in a pretty unspectacular and basic way. if I write something in my to-do lists there, it makes it a ton more likely to actually happen ;)

But seriously, what do y'all put in grimoires anyway?
Most kinds of rituals I did so far didn't include much in regards to notes and were so rare that it didn't seem worthwhile to start a new journal for them. I mentioned them in my general journal. The only reason I see why I should put such in another notebook would be to make it easier to find it again later.
Also, I rarely use for example the same prayer twice, except for devotional purposes. Again, nothing I need to write down. Either I know it by heart or I tend not to use it anyway.

Well okay, I've now begun with the workings mentioned in Michael Kelly's books and I've printed out his notes on the rune meanings and postures he recommends, as well as the 5 rune poems that are preserved, as I wanna study those during the evening when my computers are turned off. And those texts look like some source material I might want to come back to once again in a while.
But that's pretty much an exception to me, it's pretty rare that I work with any fixed source materials like that that are not of my own making.

October 22, 2017, 07:02:52 pm
Re: Billy Brujo-Scrapbook of Shadows
My already existing grimoire is esentially a prototype of a mish mash system. It's all 101 stuff I have to study regarding runes, kaballah, and beginner rituals such as LBRP or Hammer Rite as well as a few tarot and rune reading layouts. It's been with me since the beginning so it's severely out-dated. I highly recommend hand-copying 101 stuff when learning it in any system as it helps with memorization.
Again one of these moments where I think, I'd be doing this with pretty much any other kind of learning, why not with this?

I still think it's a wise idea to mainly incorporate systems rather than direct spells but I've come across a few spells in grimoires I really want to hold on to and have for a quick reference. Plus for those who work with stuff that requires seals such as spirits or demonalotry, a grimoire could be useful for that.

There's not much of a use for the specifics if you don't re-use stuff but I mean, I feel like it's a good idea to have a few reliable rituals when you're in a bind.

Now that I'm getting more serious about rituals that might actually be a good idea.

Just, those few I did that were formal enough to make writing them down helpful - I got zero results from them. Or in some cases I rather got pretty much the opposite of what I asked for.

For example, I once asked Hypnos, using an ancient prayer to him that I had stumbled upon (the ritual was a tad more complicated than that but that was the main ingredient), to help me fall asleep more easily as I was struggling with depression. Well, that night I lay awake for 3 hours or so, but not even because of my own insomnia but because my neighbours were partying even longer than normally and my dad even decided to spontaneously join them and do a concert for them with his guitar :huh:
In the following days, my sleeping pattern didn't improve a bit. Well, I now (over half a year later) got it under control, more or less (still have hypersomnia, but hell, that part I didn't ask about in the ritual anyway), but it took much longer than making it likely to relate to the ritual.

So who knows what I did wrong. Perhaps Hypnos didn't like that I depictured him similar to the pokemon of almost the same name :mrgreen: but that's the kind of associations I normally use.
Or maybe I did nothing wrong and the results I got were to make me doing the changes necessary to bring about the change myself. Who knows.

For less complicated rituals, as in, make this gesture to feel that way (For example, for that same goal of falling asleep easily I press my tongue against the part behind my upper teeth while lying in bed. That at least makes me feel tired), starting a list could lead to using such more often, not forgetting it and maybe even come up with new ideas.

Reminds me of the practice recommentations in that book by Jan Fries I recently read where he basically gives instructions on how to figure out which gestures, visualizations etc. have which influence on one's mind. Didn't get myself to try out much of that yet, but having a proper place for notes on these things might help motivate me. That would also be a neat place for UPGs regarding the runes. Okay, now I just gotta figure out how to format that in a way that allows me both to re-find things and to add new notes...

October 23, 2017, 07:40:36 am
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... Welcome! Nice to encounter you here as well!
October 27, 2017, 06:32:11 pm
Re: Billy Brujo-Scrapbook of Shadows
@Liu  You know, medial magick usually has more better and more instant results to me than Greater Black Magick when looking for practical results. Maybe there's something to doing it astrally/visualization or imagination, whatever you prefer to call it.
What do you mean by medial magick? Something between higher and lower? And by which definition of those?

It's rather effective IF you do the research on the God and figure out what pleases them, what offends them. I don't see this so much as subjecting yourself but if you were to approach a friend for a favor, you wouldn't offend him while doing so but you'd still be leaving it up to a lot of variables; ie their will- even if you view them as archetypes and symbols, their symbolization incorporates a lot.
That said, defnitely refining symbolization is a good idea. If I was doing a ritual for sleep and I wanted to chaos magick it, I'd use Dream from Sandman rather than attribute a Pokemon card to Hypnos but that's just me. I tend to work faithfully in systems when using them.
The issue might be that I'm pretty much agnostic/skeptical about the actual existence of deities. I mean, doing one's research should be worthwhile in any case, if just for getting more into it and therefore better able to focus, but who knows whether anything anyone ever wrote about them is true anyway. So I rather go by my own associations - hell, who can tell whether I was not actually given those ideas by the entities in question?

Some gods will rather you change yourself than help you out as well. I'm looking at you, Norse Panthenon. I highly recommend the Olympians or Kemetic deities for causing change for you. And if you like working out of grimoires, Book of Abrasax is an amazing result of updating selections the Graeco Magical Papyri that focuses mainly on Greek and Egyptian panthenons. There's actually a curse calling upon Set-Typhon.
Thanks for the recommendations. Haven't felt really drawn to either of the groups you listed so far, though.

October 27, 2017, 06:45:24 pm
Re: Sneaking in... Introduction... I've never been very active at RF, but I don't think I ever got a single post deleted, except those on the ONA in that one thread, and a few in which I had replied to a more-or-less-troll. So, nothing I'd hold against them. And I've written stuff there that I wouldn't mention in many other forums.

Not that I'd intend to imply your impressions were wrong, just, I got a pretty different impression of the mods there so far.
Agreeing that there are currently not many worthwhile discussions over there, though. This forum here seems much better in that regard, if not in many others as well.

October 27, 2017, 06:56:19 pm