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Hi :) Hi,

I'm new here!

Some of you may know me from religiousforums.com where I use the same user name.

In case you don't, some general infos:
I'm a pantheistic Satanist, a transguy, in my mid-twenties, and I live in Germany.


Since I noticed that this forum has become a tad more lifely I thought I might just join the fun!

August 28, 2017, 12:36:28 pm
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Re: non-metal occult music Hardly knew anything of what was posted this thread so far. Well, that's the result of listening to mostly metal. But I still know a bit more that fits the bill:

How would "black music" sound like if the African Americans hadn't adopted Christianity as their religion but instead inverted it?
The album contains a bit of metal, esp. in the vocals, but it's a fusion of several genres:



Then here's some spoken word poetry by a Satanist:



And some slightly more well-known acoustic music:


August 28, 2017, 03:28:51 pm
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Re: "The Myth of Disenchantment" Well, in my family and among most people I know in real life at least that myth seems to be not false. If someone here states their belief in anything paranormal whatsoever that is a huge exception. If people do believe in such, they are very good at keeping it to themselves, probably because they can expect to get ridiculed. But, well, religion/spirituality is also nothing that gets normally talked about much anyway.
As I mentioned before elsewhere, I'm probably the most religious person in my social environment, and that as an agnostic.

September 20, 2017, 03:41:08 pm
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Re: Where are good sources that will help to learn how to identify trees & plants Seconding this question - being able to identify plants is a skill I'd love to have but don't really know where to start. From what I know about it, it's something best learnt by practice, but how to practice without someone telling you whether you got it right?
Any recommendations focusing on European flora?

October 01, 2017, 12:55:54 pm
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Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP Anti-cosmic Satanism is probably the first kind of Satanism I really learnt about in a more in-depth way.

I have my metaphysical problems with it - basically because I don't believe in body-mind duality, but in awareness-information duality. All these things that anti-cosmic Satanists tend to say would be the work of our origin in chaos seems to have utterly natural causes. But it's still a beautiful approach, so full of hope. I even enjoy using its religious hymns myself as, even though I believe that Satan very much is also a deity of the cosmos, the aspects of Satan which they praise are the same ones I would.

Also, much of it can be also taken metaphorically/psychologically.
One of the theories is that to become one with the chaos, you have to sacrifice yourself three times. The first time you do this. I can't recall the order of the first two but it's human and animal selves. This leads to deification and you will have to sacrifice your God self to achieve the goal of anti-cosmicism. It seems counter-intuitive but the previous self-sacrifices do gain in power.
That notion of self-sacrifice is not new to me, but do you remember where you found this three-part version of it? I don't think I encountered it before.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding their concept, but to me that's how it seems. If chaos is indeed everything and nothing and it contains all possibilities, then you get both outcomes:

You become independent (LHP goal) & You merge with something greater (RHP goal).

Best of both worlds, eh?
Not to bring up that discussion here, but basically one of the reasons why I don't use that criterion to distinguish between the paths.
Also the Indian LHP's goal could basically be summarized (in a very simplfying manner) as consisting of these two parts.

October 03, 2017, 02:14:50 pm
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Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP
"awareness-information duality. "

Mind expanding more on this? Do you believe that we are all expressions of an infinite awareness, each and every one of us. Our individual consciousness being a point of focus, and that our brains decode the information around us, thus perceiving the world around us? That the world doesn't really exist, but it's just a product of us decoding information?

If not, I'd like to know more on this approach.

If so, that view doesn't necessarily contradict the anti-cosmic approach. It can still be reconciled.
Not like I'd describe it, but that goes at least in the right direction.

Basically I believe that there are only 2 things one can know: One's own awareness, and the stuff one is aware of.
And awareness in and of itself seems to be so utterly different (if just by being without any real attributes) from what it is aware of, that I don't think it could in any way be a result of that which it's aware of. In other words, I don't believe consciousness is caused by matter but instead is its own something. Since there seem to be many conscious beings I would assume that their consciousness has some common origin, and maybe is still interrelated on some level. It possibly also means that consciousness is a general property of everything in the world, not just of living organisms - but I'm unsure about that point.

However, the rest, i.e. stuff one can be aware of, would include both the mind and the outside world. Whether that means that it doesn't "really" exist, is a matter of definition. But one's thinking seems to be based on the same laws/mechanisms that also rule the physical world, just in a much more complex manner, and viewed from a different perspective.

Because of this belief of mine I have my issues with claims found in anti-cosmic texts like if someone has anti-social or perverted or in any other way anti-nomistic urges or simply a  tendency for critical thinking then that would be caused by our origin in chaos.
Sure we can attribute all this to Satan, and sure we can decide to make use of it and enjoy it instead of suppressing it. Doesn't make it unnatural, though.

October 03, 2017, 02:38:45 pm
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Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP
@Liu I read it in either Gap: A Left Hand Approach to Odinism or Myrkthursablot: The Nightside of Norse Mythology. Books sold by Fall of Man.

This model is inspired by the rune old english rune for Eihwaz which makes sense given the rune's associations.
Ah, thanks - those two are new to me.

But I agree, that fits Eihwaz not too badly from what I recall. Especially considering its Skandinavian shape ᛦ (with completely different sound value but etymologically the same name).

October 03, 2017, 03:06:41 pm
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Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP
The Draconian Path is very much connected with our path, so I recommend checking that out. The books "Apophis" & "Aegishjalmur The Book of Dragon Runes" seem worth looking into, especially if you're interested in Norse Magic, which I know you are.
Seconding this, I read Apophis and the beginning of Aegishjalmur a couple years ago, and they have some pretty sound practice recommendations. I was too much of a beginner at that time to get myself to actually do much of it at all, but I kinda want to start working through Aegishjalmur once I'm done reading a couple other books I have on my list.

Btw...
"awareness-information duality. "

Mind expanding more on this? Do you believe that we are all expressions of an infinite awareness, each and every one of us. Our individual consciousness being a point of focus, and that our brains decode the information around us, thus perceiving the world around us? That the world doesn't really exist, but it's just a product of us decoding information?

If not, I'd like to know more on this approach.

If so, that view doesn't necessarily contradict the anti-cosmic approach. It can still be reconciled.
Still not sure how to reconcile this, though.
Reading your last post I kinda think I know which solution you mean, but it's quite a bit different from what I normally associate with the anti-cosmic approach, so I'd like to ask you to explain that more specifically.

October 07, 2017, 01:06:19 pm
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Re: Styxhexenhammer666 I once watched some vids by him and didn't like his approach much. But maybe it was just the topics I found boring.

Also, anyone having an idea why his channel is blocked in my country (Germany)? I can see his vids, but not his channel.

October 07, 2017, 01:13:40 pm
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Re: What are you reading?
I'm currently starting to work through Apophis and Aegishjalmur: The Book of Dragon Runes at the same time. I really enjoy it. I should defer to the Book of Apophis at one point but I've been reading theory and stuff for so long than I need to take a break and actually practice again.

I'm tired of being an armchair occultist. I lost my passion for it somewhere and could never get back in the groove til now.
Same here. Started with the first 70 pages or so of Aegishjalmur yesterday and intend to read the corresponding chapters of Apophis when I'm done with reading chapter 3.

The main mistake I seem to make with these kinds of books is that I read them once from front to back and then never do anything but the most easy exercises from them. You can't learn for example programming from just reading textbooks on it from front to back, why do I then do so for this kind of topic? Even on the previous similar such book I read, Kali Kaula by Jan Fries, I at least made myself an overview of which pages include interesting practices to try, but still didn't get myself to actually do much.

So, since I already read the whole of Apophis some few years back I suppose this time I'll not read any further than chapter 3 of Aegishjalmur and the corresponding one of Apophis and only read on once I've already at least started with all the practices suggested that I would intend to try anytime soon. Allowing me to skip some, though, of course, if they don't seem useful to my situation.

October 13, 2017, 05:54:05 am
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