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Hey, new member here! Hello, everyone!

I discovered this forum thanks to Three_Scarabs on reddit, and I'm happy that I did. It's such a shame there aren't that many LHP forums out there, especially with a non-dogmatic community. I've been into the occult for as long as I can remember, but only recently have I made my paradigm more specific. My paradigm consists of a mix of Hermeticism, Chaos Magick, Demonolatry (mainly Goetic, but I'm not using Solomonic methods), Ancient Egyptian tradition, and a bunch of other stuff. I used to be a Satanist, but then I took an interest into more ancient traditions, and in the process drifted away from Satanism almost entirely.

The approach I take towards magick leans more to the psychological model, with some spiritual elements.

Anyway, enough about me. It's really a pleasure to meet you all!

August 05, 2017, 10:29:32 am
Kek, Consciousness, Meme Magic, and connection to Set Hello, I recently made a reddit thread on the Setianism subreddit, which sadly didn't get any replies, so I've decided to post it here. This time, though, I'll elaborate further on the topic.

So I'm sure many of you are familiar with the term "Meme Magic" that's going around the internet. Some mean as satire, some are dead serious. Those who believe in meme magic essentially view it as a form of chaos magick, where memes represent sigils. A popular example of this is Pepe the frog meme. Now, if you are unfamiliar with the story of Pepe a.k.a. Kek, I urge you to read this article:

And if you have extra time, you can also watch this video (1h long):

So, due to all of these synchronicities, and my experience with working with the entities I'm about to mention, I've come to a belief that the Egyptian God Kek, Set, Satan, Lucifer, and Bael (Possibly Beelzebub) are all connected with the same force. Now, for those who don't believe in the existence of these beings, but rather take the more philosophical approach, think of it this way:

Set, Kek, Satan, Lucifer, and Bael are all interpretations of the emerging light. The emerging consciousness from the darkness. Lucidity from oblivion. Now, I personally believe in the existence of these entities, but not as spirits per se, but rather as egregores / thoughtforms which are tied to particular forces (in this case it's one force).  Now, Pepe the frog is the current vessel for this emerging consciousness, this god of Chaos. Coincidentally (hah), the use of Pepe is on 4chan first and foremost, which is chaotic, and the uses of Pepe themselves are chaotic as well (he's used for so much), which is what Kek (and Set) happen to represent. Chaos.

Now, whether you believe that this egregore is working subtly from the shadows, or this symbol has a powerful impact on the people, and thus influencing reality, the point remains:

There are far too many coincidences and strange things revolving around Kek/Pepe, and his connection with Set, Satan, Lucifer, and Bael are pretty mindblowing.

Interestingly, Bael has been associated with Kek/Pepe before: (just a small example). Interestingly, Kek wasn't just a frogheaded deity. He also appeared in the form of a cat-headed person, and in older depictions, he appeared with the head of the serpent!

So, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think this is an example of a greater consciousness at play? It really doesn't matter whether you believe in the existence of these entities or take a more philosophical approach. I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

tl:dr: Kek happens to represents the same thing Set, Satan, and Lucifer do, and there are far too many coincidences revolving around this deity, as well as the cartoon frog Pepe.

PS. In that imgur link, I assure you those aren't my works. You can look up Kek Pepe and Baal (or Bael) on the internet, and see for yourself.

August 05, 2017, 01:45:50 pm
Re: Kek, Consciousness, Meme Magic, and connection to Set
"It's just a matter of chance."

The thing is, chance doesn't really exist. It's not a force, and it has no casual impact on anything. It's merely a concept humans use to describe outcomes and occurrences. To someone who see the greater scenario (i.e. God), he would see that these occurrences don't happen "just because," but there's a cause that had an effect, which we rationalize away as chance because either don't know the cause, and/or don't know all of the factors which influenced the effect.

Rationalizing things as mere chance, to me, is no different than the God of the gaps. Except the "chance" explanation seems more sophisticated, probable (ironically), and appealing to the scientific, and/or atheistic crowd.

Allow me to quote The Kybalion for a more eloquent explanation:


“Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is but
a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law.”–The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the fact that there is a Cause for every Effect; an Effect from every Cause. It explains that: “Everything Happens according to Law”; that nothing ever “merely happens”; that there is no such thing as Chance; that while there are various planes of Cause and Effect, the higher dominating the lower planes, still nothing ever entirely escapes the Law. The Hermetists understand the art and methods of rising above the
ordinary plane of Cause and Effect, to a certain degree, and by mentally rising to a higher plane they become Causers instead of Effects. The masses of people are carried along, obedient to environment; the wills and desires of others stronger than themselves; heredity; suggestion; and other outward causes moving them about like pawns on the Chessboard of Life. But the Masters, rising to the plane above, dominate their moods, characters, qualities, and powers, as well as the environment surrounding them, and become Movers instead of pawns. They help to PLAY THE GAME OF LIFE, instead of being played and moved about by other wills and environment. They USE the Principle instead of being its tools. The Masters obey the Causation of the higher planes, but they help to RULE on their own plane. In this statement there is condensed a wealth of Hermetic knowledge–let him read who can."

August 06, 2017, 02:35:54 am
Re: Hey, new member here!
Hello and welcome, I'm new here, too.  8)

Hello there, and welcome to you as well!

August 06, 2017, 02:37:26 am
Why Materialistic Atheism, and Militant Atheists Fail Materialism

I'll first start with Materialism, because it's the easiest one to get out of the way.

The position of Materialism is a logical leap at best, utterly nonsensical at worst. Number one reason is because the material and immaterial co-exist creating an equilibrium. The material affects the immaterial, and the immaterial affects the material (for example, affirmations, calming yourself down by talking to yourself positively, causing your own health and organs to deteriorate by negative self-talk, etc). Number two, the universe isn't made out of just matter and energy (this is a huge fallacy). There's also dark energy, for instance.

To say that matter is the main substance is, as I've said, a logical leap at best. Where is the evidence to support this? In fact, the more quantum physics progresses, the more we see the foolishness of materialism.

Lastly here are some examples of non-material things that aren't mind dependent: Quantity of something, Order (such as the laws of nature, the very force that keeps everything together (INCLUDING MATTER)), and Chaos itself.

(Militant) Atheism

First off, you would have to define God. If you can't define God, you can't disbelieve in it. A more intellectually honest position here would be utter agnosticism or apatheism. If you define God as the Abrahamists do, it's sort of easy to refute it due to the contradictions of the monotheistic omnigod concept. And this is exactly what militant atheists do, they claim that the belief in a God is a delusion, because they interpret God the way Abrahamists do. What's funny is that Militant Atheists share many similarities with Abrahamists. They're dogmatic, they have the same interpretation of God, but they differ on their claims about God's existence.

Now, if you define God as the natural order, I don't think I need to tell you why disbelief in such a God is ludicrous.

If you define God as an egregore, an interactive archetype/force, then there's only thing you can do - experience it yourself.

Regardless of the definition, Atheists demand evidence constantly. You never hear the end of it. Evidence, evidence, evidence. But what kind of evidence would suffice? Empirical evidence? Well, then you would have to go with the presupposition that your senses are 100% correct 100% of the time, which has been proven time and time again to be incorrect.

Regardless of the definition, God seems to be something that cannot be directly observed in the first place. It's outside of our senses. The only thing you can do to be convinced is to experience God with your mind,** and/or experience his/her influence with your senses. Think of it this way - you cannot see consciousness itself, order itself, chaos itself, emotions and thoughts themselves, quantity itself, but you can see their influence / manifestations on that which you can observe. But these manifestations aren't emotions or order or chaos themselves, due to law of identity. They're just that - manifestations and/or products of these things.

So, all in all, Militant Atheism is an extremely flawed philosophical position. Atheism itself is a non-position, so it shouldn't be even addressed or taken seriously.

**I said here experience with your mind.  An example of this would be thinking / talking to yourself, and coming to a realization / solution to the problem. This doesn't involve the senses, but can be classified as an experience.

PS. I would just like to add that, even if a God were to be a mere idea, a concept, a symbol, an interpretation, it STILL exists. It exists as an idea, you can't say that your thoughts, or ideas don't exist. It may not exist in the physical world, but exists in your mind, the mental world. It's an idea come to life, so to speak. Usually, the snarky reddit atheist would respond with, "Well that means firefarting unicorns must exist too, as ideas." Okay, sure, but ask yourself this:

"What has more of a psychological impact on a person - the idea of a God, or the idea of a unicorn? Does the idea of a unicorn have a significant impact to begin with? Does this unicorn represent something? Does it have a deeper meaning?"

IMPORANT NOTE: One could say that I'm hypocritical for saying one would have to experience God with their mind if he/she's an egregore, but not trust their senses. Well, just because you can't perceive or experience (with the mind) something, that doesn't make it not real. To those who have experienced God, God is real. To those who haven't, he/she isn't. The reason why we can agree upon our reality for the most part is because of our anatomy. We have the same (more or less) anatomy so we get the (more or less) same picture. But, imagine a person that has no senses AT ALL. To them, the world doesn't exist. Are they delusional? Is their experience, or lack thereof less valid? Less real? Of course not. They literally cannot have the experience we do. The reality itself depends on our experience of it. If we can't experience reality, to us, reality isn't real. Reality as we experience it isn't the way it is. The objectivity that the militant atheists seem to praise really is subjective. Very few things in this world can be considered objective (e.g. gravity).

Anyway, this is my argument. Thank you for reading, and let me know what you think.

August 06, 2017, 03:38:06 am
Re: Kek, Consciousness, Meme Magic, and connection to Set You seem to be mistaking my stance on chance with the Gambler's fallacy, and a few other biases.

Allow me to explain your coin toss example the way I see it. In the exact moment you throw the coin, other factors come into play - which side is facing before the throw,  how exactly did you throw coin, how hard did you throw it, how many times the coin spun in the air, etc. Each throw is independent of each other, so just because it didn't fall heads the past 5 throws, that doesn't mean it's coming closer to falling heads. The side is irrelevant in the sense that "if heads fell X times, and tails fell 0 times, tails will fall next." It's the other factors (such as the ones I listed) that are important.

You can also do this with a dice. If you practice well enough, you can throw it in such a way to get very predictable results (my friend used to do this). Because there are so many factors, and because they're subtle, they're often overlooked, so it's easy to chalk it up as chance.

Like I said, chance itself does not exist. It has no casual impact. There is no such force. It's a concept people use to explain occurrences and outcomes. It's a handy tool because it helps us understand stuff, but it's not accurate.

As for Kek, did you watch the video, and perhaps maybe looked more into it? It's not just Trump's victory, and people spamming memes. It goes beyond that. There are too many "coincidences" revolving around this entity. Like for instance how it's manifesting through the ages, how it influences people (P.E.P.E. band, which is an acronym for what Kek actually represents), etc, etc. There are far too many examples.

That's just it, at what point do you stop and say, "Okay, it's no longer a coincidence. This is actually a thing" ?

As for the subjective universe, tell me, what's the border between the subjective and the objective universe? You do realize that everything is happening in your head, right? The very reason why you're able to experience this reality is because of your senses, and the image in your head thanks to those senses. You are not seeing reality as it is. Also, do you know that atoms behave different when observed? Also, what is a delusion to you? You do know that to some (healthy and educated) people, some scientists for example, both of our views are delusions. It has become a buzzword thanks to militant atheists, to be honest. So you would have to specify what delusion means to you.

I had views similar to your own, but they changed over time due to experience. That said, I can't tell you that I am right, and you are wrong, and vice versa. All I can say is you have to experience things for yourself, and see what works for you. The only thing we can be certain about is that neither of our explanations are fully accurate.

In regards to determinism and free-will, I'm not quite certain, personally. What is free will anyway? Do humans have inherently unlimited will? I think not. Is it possible to develop free will over time? Perhaps. You'd also have to specify determinism. Make it very specific. Definitions are important.

Lastly, I'd like to recommend this theory to you: It's rather fascinating to think about, at least.

August 06, 2017, 05:39:09 am
Re: Why Materialistic Atheism, and Militant Atheists Fail Oh, right, of course. I almost forgot. Thanks for the reminder. :)
August 06, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
Re: Kek, Consciousness, Meme Magic, and connection to Set I'm sorry, to both you and Shamira. I just found their subtle jabs quite amusing, so I had to be at least a little bit cheeky.
August 06, 2017, 01:45:51 pm
Re: Is LaVeyan Satanism part of the WLHP? No, LaVeyan Satanism is Right Hand Path by proxy. One of the primary reasons is because they view Satan and themselves as a part of the natural order, and are bound to it. They also advocate embracing your nature. They're, by definition, Right Hand Path...just painted black.

By the way, about dogmatism, I used to think that it's just reddit people being reddit people (which is why I never post on /r/satanism). But, no, actually, on other (LaVeyan) Satanist forums, there's also that elitism (which is empty, dare I say delusional too, bravado), and dogmatism. I've also noticed that they tend to be very hypocritical (for example, they advocate individualism, yet they're dogmatic. they're pro-free speech, yet they encourage censorship (downvote system to hide and prevent someone with low karma from posting again)).

Just look at how they treated  OP here :(

If there are any LaVeyans on this forums, and you don't identify with the stereotype I just described, I salute you. And you deserve a cookie. c:

August 08, 2017, 11:42:12 am
I had a really weird dream - you might find it interesting Last night, I had a dream where I was trapped in a pyramid with a few friends, and there were ungodly screams coming from the outside. Then suddenly, everything went silent. Shortly thereafter, we got picked off one by one by none other than Set! I was the last one. It seemed like a horror movie, or perhaps even counter-strike zombie mod.

I woke up with a "wtf" look on my face  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

August 10, 2017, 11:19:15 am