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Quotes of psychologist Viktor Frankl "Freedom is in danger of degenerating into mere arbitrariness unless it is lived in terms of responsibleness. That is why I recommend that the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast be supplemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the West Coast."

"A man who becomes conscious of the responsibility he bears toward a human being who affectionately waits for him, or to an unfinished work, will never be able to throw away his life. He knows the 'why' for his existence, and will be able to bear almost any 'how.'"

"For the meaning of life differs from man to man, from day to day and from hour to hour. What matters, therefore, is not the meaning of life in general but rather the specific meaning of a person's life at a given moment."

"Everyone has his own specific vocation or mission in life; everyone must carry out a concrete assignment that demands fulfillment. Therein he cannot be replaced, nor can his life be repeated, thus, everyone's task is unique as his specific opportunity to implement it."

"Challenging the meaning of life is the truest expression of the state of being human."

"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom."

"Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true."

"Ultimately, man should not ask what the meaning of his life is, but rather must recognize that it is he who is asked. In a word, each man is questioned by life; and he can only answer to life by answering for his own life; to life he can only respond by being responsible."

"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life—daily and hourly. Our answer must consist, not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual."

"Life is never made unbearable by circumstances, but only by lack of meaning and purpose."

"To draw an analogy: a man's suffering is similar to the behavior of a gas. If a certain quantity of gas is pumped into an empty chamber, it will fill the chamber completely and evenly, no matter how big the chamber. Thus suffering completely fills the human soul and conscious mind, no matter whether the suffering is great or little. Therefore the "size" of human suffering is absolutely relative."

"Love goes very far beyond the physical person of the beloved. It finds its deepest meaning in his spiritual being, his inner self. Whether or not he is actually present, whether or not he is still alive at all, ceases somehow to be of importance."

"But today’s society is characterized by achievement orientation, and consequently it adores people who are successful and happy and, in particular, it adores the young. It virtually ignores the value of all those who are otherwise, and in so doing blurs the decisive difference between being valuable in the sense of dignity and being valuable in the sense of usefulness. If one is not cognizant of this difference and holds that an individual’s value stems only from his present usefulness, then, believe me, one owes it only to personal inconsistency not to plead for euthanasia along the lines of Hitler’s program, that is to say, ‘mercy’ killing of all those who have lost their social usefulness, be it because of old age, incurable illness, mental deterioration, or whatever handicap they may suffer. Confounding the dignity of man with mere usefulness arises from conceptual confusion that in turn may be traced back to the contemporary nihilism transmitted on many an academic campus and many an analytical couch."

"Man does not simply exist but always decides what his existence will be, what he will become the next moment. By the same token, every human being has the freedom to change at any instant"

"A human being is not one thing among others; things determine each other, but man is ultimately self-determining. What he becomes - within the limits of endowment and environment- he has made out of himself. In the concentration camps, for example, in this living laboratory and on this testing ground, we watched and witnessed some of our comrades behave like swine while others behaved like saints. Man has both potentialities within himself; which one is actualized depends on decisions but not on conditions."

"What is demanded of man is not, as some existential philosophers teach, to endure the meaninglessness of life, but rather to bear his incapacity to grasp its unconditional meaningfulness in rational terms."

"Man's concern, even his despair, over the worthwhileness of life is an existential distress but by no means a mental disease."

"What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him."

"To suffer unecessarily is masochistic rather than heroic."

"At the beginning of human history, man lost some of the basic animal instincts in which an animal's behavior is embedded and by which it is secured. Such security, like paradise, is closed to man forever; man has to make choices."

July 26, 2018, 07:22:11 pm
Re: Never seen this mentioned before, but isn't pragmatism a defining LHP trait?
No. There is a clear distinction between the Self which is spiritual and the ego which is psychological. Similar to the gnostics, I make a distinction between the mind and the soul (they would use words soul and spirit). What you call the ego is a product of what society has told you and your biology. Seeking validation, acceptance, defense mechanisms (which distort reality) are all a part of the ego, the human ego. The ego does nothing but inhibit you from actualizing your spiritual Self.

Is there? The consciousness that is the mind seems to be how we also understand the soul. It is the immortal, knowing, questioning, self-aware, doubting mind that humans and possibly other species are gifted with. The ego is simply the part of consciousness that deals with things like pride, self-image, desire, drive, etc. Without the ego the very concepts that define the LHP would be impossible to achieve. Your biology and stimuli you cannot control relate to the brain whereas the ego is an aspect of the mind. All the things you mention are not inherently an issue. Seeking recognition for me simply means I care that my conclusions are true and valid, so I go to others who know about these things to see if it’s just me or if others agree. This is the closest we can really get to most knowledge. Defense mechanism are an absolute necessity to survival, and play a foundational role in self-care and personal time. You may think of these like snapping at someone when they mention a touchy topic, but it stretches up to and including doing things to manage you stress, keeping yourself out of toxic situations, etc.

I think you're mixing up biological urges and properties with spiritual ones. Humanity is not what sets us apart from anything; it's the black flame and the soul - both of which are spiritual. Humanity is the middle ground between ape and god: it has properties of both. Look into evolutionary psychology, or hell just observe chimpanzees and you'll see that they do some of the things we do. Why do you think Midgard (middle earth) is the World of Man? Why do you think so many esoteric traditions place mankind right in the middle? The purpose of your spiritual being is to actualize your potential.

I don’t know what you mean. “Humanity” is not something we have, it is a scientific categorization. Our  physiological makeup as well as a higher isolate consciousness is what makes one a “human” or gives them humanity, and this isolate consciousness is also synonymous with the black flame – it is what the black flame is so far as it has been defined. Evolutionary psychology and anthropology was one of my main fields of study, it’s why I know the UPR is evidence that consciousness and matter are separate things. Chimps do not appear to have isolate consciousness / the black flame, which is part of why they are so similar but not “human”. The symbolism of man in the middle is one commonly associated with balance. It is about not going to far in one direction or the other, like community/isolation for instance. It has nothing to do with the definitions of Left and Right Hand Path. Both hands would likely say balance is important, but this doesn’t make their goals any more mutually exclusive.

I would also like to add that there is nothing spiritual about having pleasure of the human ego as your main goal in existence. By doing so, you're essentially clinging onto your ape nature. Every single one person who chases the ape-mind dream, whilst neglecting their spiritual Self (e.g. LaVeyan Satanist) that I've met takes the mundane world too seriously, is depressed, angry, displeased, or somewhat neurotic because they want to be "the best version of themself" which is an illusion. There is no such thing. By chasing that "dream," you'll basically be like a hamster in the wheel, hoping to go somewhere, when you're really just in one place.

I highly disagree again. Meaning itself is spiritual, from the side of consciousness and not inherent in matter. If one’s meaning is in carnal pleasure then they can and should pursue it. What works is “the Good,” within moral confines of course. An ape does not get to choose if they seek pleasure or abstain, a human does. And either way is a free choice being made by the individual. I also highly disagree that we should not constantly seek self-improvement, and I would argue that if constant growth/improvement is not one’s goal then they indeed are not LHP. But again that’s just a choice, there’s nothing “wrong” with walking any path so long as one remains moral and ethical.

But I'll tell you what: every single person that I've met who favors their spiritual Self over their ape self is satisfied, happy, and very content with their life. Do they have problems? Sure, everyone does, but they're far better at getting back on their feet as opposed to their human-ego chasing counterparts.

I am always weary of generalization, statistics simply do not work that way. It also can’t be tied to the spirituality itself. Something “more religious” really just boils down to “more ignorant” or “apathetic” or “indoctrinated.” Even in the meta-studies of the effects of religion and spirituality there are still many outliers with negative effects.

If LHP means to chase human-ego demands as your primary goal in existence, then I'm happy to proclaim that I am not LHP.

Perhaps you are right, and there is nothing wrong with that. What works is what’s good. But I think when we start saying “you have to believe XYZ specifically to be LHP” we cross a line there’s no coming back from. Once we criticize the freedom of others to self-determination when they are not violating any morality or ethics, I think we leave behind the LHP.

July 26, 2018, 10:21:42 pm
Re: Wish List Isn't your flame a gif? It flickers.
July 27, 2018, 02:01:56 pm
Re: What are you doing right now? Hanging with my best friend.
July 29, 2018, 02:33:39 am
First authorized and official Order of the Serpent pendant

July 31, 2018, 06:21:48 pm
Re: I'll be around I am doing ok. Leaving my job which seems to be the cause of my decline. Seeking extra help for my depression and anxiety. Just working on the bottom of the hierarchy of needs. Will keep you posted.
August 06, 2018, 03:36:30 pm
Modern Western Morality - brought to you by postmodernism
- X is racist, unless my group does it!

- X is hateful, unless my group does it!

- X is distasteful, unless my group does it!

- X is morally wrong, unless my group does it!

- X should be outlawed, unless my group does it!

- X group should have freedom to be who they are, unless they aren't in my group!

August 08, 2018, 03:20:02 pm
Re: Left Hand Path Quotes Don't need a motherfucker looking down on me, motherfucker looking down on me. At least I know, wherever I go, I've got the Devil beneath my feet!

- Marilyn Manson, Devil Beneath My Feet

August 08, 2018, 06:34:28 pm
Re: What are you doing right now? Painting the bathrooms to heavy metal. I thought unemployment would be kinda like a stressful summer break, but it's more like relaxingly checking off your to do list!
August 09, 2018, 03:11:35 pm
Re: First authorized and official Order of the Serpent pendant
August 12, 2018, 02:03:07 am