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Lore on Lilith (Demon Goddess/Wife of Satan) Hello  everyone - I just joined the forum today after the recent Reddit AMA. I briefly spoke with a few of your members there, and I'm reading my way through the first newsletter as I write this. So far it seems that my philosophy/metaphysics are quite different than the average Setian, but our methods and goals overlap. It is refreshing to come across a focused spiritual/conscious community such as this.

My name is Olive. I'm a practicing witch and moon priestess. I'm most familiar with Hindu Realism, Buddhism, Materialism, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, and all things to do with spellcraft. I don't say any of these is the one truth, but I hold all of them as perspectives within myself. Each has its own wisdom to share.

Now that the introduction is out of the way, let's discuss this topic in earnest. These stories are from the Abrahamic tradition; you may consider them apocryphal if you only read the Bible, but this is clearly an ancient figure. She still retains one name drop in Isaiah, and many more in Jewish texts. She is even mentioned explicitly in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Contrary to popular belief, Lilith was the first woman God created. He created her to be exactly equal with Adam. Both of them were male and female, fully self-satisfied, and androgynous. The only problem was that Lilith refused to be subservient to Adam as all other creatures were. There was a struggle for dominance during sex when he refused to submit to her as she had for him; Lilith decided to abandon Adam following this event - speaking "the ineffable name" as she did so.

Afterwards, other events may have transpired depending on which stories you believe. But eventually, God decided to make a new partner for Adam - one that would be incomplete without him and therefore appropriately subservient to him. He did this not by removing one rib, but his entire side. (I've heard Jewish rabbis argue this was the intent of the scripture, but we can get into that later if necessary.) He split Adam into two, one Man, one Woman. From this point on, they would always rely on one another.

So what happened with Lilith? She abandoned Eden and became the wife of Satan. She was immortal, having left the garden before the fall, and also the last 'complete' human. She is shown as female from the head to the waist, but below has male genitalia - representing her androgyny and sexual power.  (Interestingly, Satan is often depicted as both Male and Female as well; usually represented by giving him a pair of or just one breast.) Together they spawned all manner of demons. It was decided by god that 100 of her children would be put to death each day, and she made a deal with several archangels in exchange for her life. She agreed that any child who bore their names on an amulet would be protected from her.

There are many other stories that developed about her over time, and not all of them were unflattering. She is often credited as a protector of widows and single women, and the ultimate temptress for man. She is related to the Moon symbolically. She has also been used as a symbol for feminism. In the Qliphoth she appears prominently twice: once as Lilith the Younger, her traditional self, and once as Lilith the Elder, considered to be an anti-cherub - beautiful in appearance but putrefying in substance, and riding a strange beast.

I cannot imagine a more perfect bride for Satan.

I feel that many parts of this story have been made manifest in myself, both physically and psychically. (I'll elaborate on that when I get home and have a bit more time.) And her name and thoughtform hold much power. For these reasons I've begun to study her in more depth. I'll be posting my most interesting results here in this thread.

Discussion Topics
Discussion and interpretation of lore regarding Lilith.

Discussion of other gods and figures that fall under this archetype

Use of the names or symbols of Lilith in rituals and spells

Masculine and Feminine energies, their uses, balancing and extinguishing them.



December 11, 2017, 02:18:29 am
Re: Left Hand Path Quotes "If then you do not make yourself equal to God, you cannot apprehend God; for like is known by like.

Leap clear of all that is corporeal, and make yourself grown to a like expanse with that greatness which is beyond all measure; rise above all time and become eternal; then you will apprehend God. Think that for you too nothing is impossible; deem that you too are immortal, and that you are able to grasp all things in your thought, to know every craft and science; find your home in the haunts of every living creature; make yourself higher than all heights and lower than all depths; bring together in yourself all opposites of quality, heat and cold, dryness and fluidity; think that you are everywhere at once, on land, at sea, in heaven; think that you are not yet begotten, that you are in the womb, that you are young, that you are old, that you have died, that you are in the world beyond the grave; grasp in your thought all of this at once, all times and places, all substances and qualities and magnitudes together; then you can apprehend God.

But if you shut up your soul in your body, and abase yourself, and say 'I know nothing, I can do nothing; I am afraid of earth and sea, I cannot mount to heaven; I know not what I was, nor what I shall be,' then what have you to do with God?"
-Hermes Trismegistus

(Some might argue that this is RHP - I would argue that they aren't so different at sufficiently high levels of mastery. Although it seems to me one would be hard pressed to claim that the Hermetic tradition and the branches that split from it don't support individualism.)

December 11, 2017, 02:48:57 pm
Re: My thoughts on Fatalism
To explain my position: The whole of existence - including both the "objective" part of matter/energy/space and the "subjective" parts of mind and awareness - can be considered to consist of a gigantic amount of states of being which interact by the laws of cause and effect. If the same situation should ever occur twice, and all aspects of it are identical to the previous time, then also the outcome will be the same.*
*There are theories regarding quantum physics that imply that this wouldn't be the case, but they don't seem proven yet, or I at least didn't understand yet how they would proof it.

It's not really just theory - randomness is inherent in quantum mechanics. Determinism takes the attitude that everything in the future would be perfectly predictable if one had perfect knowledge of the starting conditions. This seems possible in principle but not in practice. But when you get to quantum mechanics, it shows you that perfect knowledge of the initial conditions is not possible even in principle.

Another thing that is often overlooked within deterministic thought is the possibility that reality is beginningless. If this is the case, there would truly be no initial conditions to know and calculate from. I tend to believe that this is the nature of things, and it can be shown to be true through rational proofs and further supplemented by other methods. If existence is beginningless, you can try to say that if you had perfect knowledge of everything that existed everywhere, you could then calculate the exact future. But this statement doesn't grasp the full nature of infinity - how far it reaches beyond all we see and know, how it contains aspects and realities that are far different from the one we do all of our predicting within. With that taken into account, all you can really say is that if you were God (to use a word), you could know everything everywhere by being it, and thus perfectly predict the future. In which case, sure; but it is not a very meaningful statement or position to hold.

Despite these things, I still subscribe to a form of Fatalism. One must understand that time is only a dimension in the infinitude of this reality. This means that the past, present, and even the future exist right now, in definite form, as being. Time does not describe and prescribe the All, it is within the All. This must be the case. From within time, we say that things have arisen, are now, and will fall away. Things are new in every moment. But from without, reality is eternal, self-satisfying, and unchanged - for all time and beyond time.

This stuff is a little transcendental, and I'm not asking you to believe it at face value. But I have experienced it; I'm sure some others here have glimpsed this somewhere along their path.

That being said, does it matter? Haha, absolutely not! Why are people so concerned with thinking that our decisions must influence reality itself at the highest level? Or that we must find and walk the 'pre-ordained' path that was set for us by God. You just create mental blockages for yourself either way with that. You do not have "free will." You have Volition. And that is enough.

Just my take on it guys.  ;)

December 11, 2017, 05:22:33 pm
Re: Lore on Lilith (Demon Goddess/Wife of Satan) So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 1:27 NKJV (The account of Eve's creation isn't until Genesis 2:22)

Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

These verses tend to be confusing for radical christians and bible literalists. How did god create woman twice? And the first verse seems to imply that they were created together - at the same time. Whereas the latter implies that Adam pre-existed Eve.

Now, most of us who have looked into the matter probably admit that when the bible was standardized in between the years of 393 and 419, the christian and abrahamic traditions were most likely scrubbed of their most challenging material, and normalized for consistency and easy understanding for the masses. Even if it wasn't so black and white, we do know that much of the old tradition was excluded. Throughout the ensuing 1600 years, anything outside the canon was pushed further and further into the background.

Even still, Lilith has not been fully removed from the current bible, as I mentioned before and will quote presently. So if we approach this genesis conundrum already knowing her story, the contradictions are removed and it becomes very clear. "male and female He created them," together. Not a male and a female separately. What happens later on is the separation of the two parts of man - masculine and feminine. This also explains how we as a species who are two in body and mind(the genders) could be made in the image of one. God contains masculinity and femininity; so did the being made in his image before he was split. Further supporting this is the fact that Adam as a name for the first man in Hebrew is gender neutral.

At this point you may be saying - well, where are you getting that? It only says that a rib was taken from him, not half of his being. Well, some Rabbis such as  Jeremiah b. Leazar, Samuel b. Nahman, and Resh Lakish explain that the phrase used to describe eve's creation, mi-tzalotav, actually does refer to an entire side of him; they cite the similar use of this word in a different form Tsela in Exodus to describe one side of the holy tabernacle. Even if this interpretation is not 100% correct, one must admit how well Lilith's origin story is implied even by the modern Bible from which she has been almost entirely removed.

They shall call its nobles to the kingdom,
But none shall be there, and all its princes shall be nothing.
And thorns shall come up in its palaces,
Nettles and brambles in its fortresses;
It shall be a habitation of jackals,
A courtyard for ostriches.
The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the jackals,
And the wild goat shall bleat to its companion;
Also Lilith shall rest there,
And find for herself a place of rest.
There the arrow snake shall make her nest and lay eggs
And hatch, and gather them under her shadow;
There also shall the hawks be gathered,
Every one with her mate.

Isaiah 34:12-15
Lilith is sometimes translated as 'Night Creature', or 'Fair Demon' as opposed to the 'Beastial Demon' much more commonly mentioned - but the original word is her name, without a doubt. Lilit.

This chapter is about the incoming fury and vengeance upon nations by God. It describes in detail how these places will be utterly destroyed and ruined - the ground soaked with fat and the salt of blood. The place is forever burning, and lies in waste for generation on generation. It says no man will ever walk there again. It then goes on to list what will be left behind - unclean animals such as jackals, and wild goats, and night owls, and vipers and birds of prey. For someone who doesn't understand Lilith or/and is reading a translation that removes her name - this seems like it is meant to be bad but it's definitely a step down from the wrath mentioned beforehand.

Only if you understand her does the pure horror of the situation described actually get driven home. In the midst of that devastation, death, ruin and cinder where no man can go - the immortal Queen of Hell makes a home for herself. And all the terrible creatures gather round her the safety of her presence, constantly writhing and breeding with each other and with her - multiplying and spawning demons.

Now that, that is truly a fate to be feared. Any kingdom subjected to that would be reduced to a lifeless blight on the land comparable to the depths of hell itself.  With the knowledge of Lilith we see just how punishing the vengeance of God can be.

If someone of gnosis approaches these stories, Lilith seems to become a truly exalted being. The gnostic premise says that the creator god of the old testament is Demiurge - a corrupt and a maleficent being. (Not that hard to believe considering what we just read in Isaiah, hmm? And that's only the beginning.) So Lilith rejects the will of God and of Adam, abandons them both to forge her own path. And she may well have been the first being to do this, perhaps even before the fall of Lucifer. Why do I say this? Well simply, the creation account of Adam and Lilith is stated to be the beginning. There was no time before this. Moreover, Ezekiel 28:13-15 tells us that there was a time when Lucifer walked through the garden of eden and the mountain of god, before he fell.

This raises some interesting questions. Was Lilith or Lucifer the first to rebel against God? Or... did they perhaps conspire together before leaving as an unholy union? The reasons for Lilith's disenchantment are fairly obvious - she was created so complete and powerful and yet placed into a position of subservience which she chafed against. The reasons for Lucifer's disenchantment seem obvious as well; he was the highest of God's angels, and was angered by God's decision that Man should be made king of the earth and not him, as well as the declaration that Lucifer must bow before Adam. But then one remembers that the Morning Star did not rebel for some time after this decision and remained in the garden of Eden.

Was he inspired by Lilith's strength to leave of his own accord? I think not. It cannot be said that Satan lacks resolve. I think he desired her. He was consumed by jealousy over Adam and his dominion over the Earth. In his eyes, that was his position. And most painful of all, the jewel of everything that Adam owned, the crown of his kingdom - was that Woman god made for him. His most beautiful wife and partner, who would surely bear him innumerable heirs as the years went by while Satan would be forever singular and alone. Satan would have her for himself.

And on Lilith's part - Adam was her mirror. They were both made of the same stuff and of equal power. But he could not offer her anything new, and continued to insist that she submit to him. Perhaps she often went wandering through the garden alone, contemplating her fate and existence. Perhaps in her wanderings she came across a totally new being - bejewelled, breathtaking, and endlessly worthy. God's highest servant. One who did not try to change her, but instead showed her new ways to explore and strengthen her individuality...

Yes, they were perfect for one another. We can never know which of them made the plan to leave, but perhaps their forbidden love made that decision all the more easy when the time came. Maybe that union with she that belonged to Adam was the rebellion for which Satan was exiled. Either way, they were successful. Adam's wife and crown was stolen from him, just as God's highest and most beloved servant left his kingdom and spited him. (Again we see that symmetry between man and god.) This was a disastrous scenario. God's chosen king could have no children now that Lilith had left and paired with Satan. In time, the earth would become nothing but a nest for demons borne from their union.

This is why it was necessary for God to send his remaining archangels to hunt her down and curse her in a way that would prevent her children from becoming numerous. She was allowed to live, but creation was ruined. God had no choice but to punish the usurpers and start anew. This time he split another being from Adam that contained all of his female characteristics: Eve. Surely she would never betray him, having come from the same flesh...

We all know how that turned out. Satan would prevail again and deceive this new woman, bringing death, misery and weakness to his hated rival, Adam. Forever would he haunt their steps and try to destroy them.

That last bit is speculation and invention on my part - but I do think it is worth showing just how much nuance can be brought to the bible through knowledge of things outside of it, and things that have been removed from it. I hope you see now why I felt that this archetype carried so much power. It feels like a key that has been kept secret throughout the ages, that actually explains why things happened the way they did in the beginning. (According to the Abrahamic tradition, of course. I am not anywhere arguing that any of this actually took place.)

I've got some responses for what King Mob has contributed coming as well, I just wanted to get some of this stuff down first. But for now, I'm afraid I'm out of time. I apologize if this is sloppy and unedited. Thanks for reading everyone.  :)

December 11, 2017, 07:29:27 pm
Re: Paradigm Shift 1.0 This is a really important topic for people that are serious about magic and internal alchemy. I've done a lot of work over the past year with manufactured perspectives and it has paid off tremendously for me.

Mentality is everything in this work. Mentality is the road you're on. Mentality determines what kind of realizations you can have at a given moment.

The paradigms I have don't form as much of a strict hierarchy; it's more like I hold them all within me and easily swap back and forth to see different connections. Some of them are extremely important to my understanding of life in general, and others are more minor types that might lay outside of my normal functioning ones and yet can still be useful for certain subjects.

Materialism is one of the more important ones I operate normally in. Not the typical modern materialistic mindset, but something more similar to the ancient atomism of Kanada and Kapila, supplemented by modern information and different types of theoretical frameworks, but not denying the depth of experience and wisdom available in subjective states and experiences. This one is really important because it disabuses me of deluding fantastical notions about the work I do and gives me a sober view on what life and existence on this planet really is. It is also good for breaking the illusion of the physical world first, and then giving room for the inner explorations I partake in. I also have mentalities that are more conducive to so-called magical thinking, channeling, communion with entities, etc.

An example of a small paradigm I carry within me is Flat Earth. I don't actually take this to be the true cosmology of the universe in my ordinary practice, however this perspective gives one a much deeper understanding of astrology and ancient wisdom which is mainly based on this type of model for reality. Another benefit of it is that it puts all of my "knowledge" about galaxies and super clusters and the distant universe in perspective; all of that stuff was given to me by human institutions and affirmed by nothing other than argument by authority. Therefore when I get wrapped up in thoughts of sci-fi and the future of space colonization and mankind, it reminds me that these thoughts are really no different from the fantastical notions of heaven and hell and angels and such that your average christian goes on about - other than that the authority giving this 'religion' seems a lot more reliable to me.

It is centering to be able to enter that paradigm and be reminded that all of that stuff is really just more wordly knowledge with questionable reliability - a reminder to turn inwards again. It's also a powerful perspective when it comes to critiquing government and society, because within it the truth of flat earth is so system-busting there is practically no question of blindly trusting anything that comes to me from the government or corporate establishments. Another thing is that it puts your focus squarely on this world and accessible reality rather than this mental image of 'the universe'.

It's quite an interesting one and a good example I think of what being flexible with what perspectives you inhabit can do. I'd recommend looking into flat earth arguments even if you're 100% sure it's not true. You get less and less certain the more you look into it, and it gives you an example of how much you can take for granted and absorb without really knowing or thinking about it.

January 01, 2018, 11:14:58 pm
Re: What is justice? I think love, respect and charity are commendable, ethical even. But the problem with Justice is that it implies something more general, something natural to the cycle of life. Of course, when we look at this world we run into immediate problems with trying to form a concept of justice because anything goes here. All creatures strive to devour and consume other living things in order to extend their own time for the briefest of measures. Every animal is a hunter and is in turn hunted incessantly. Always and everywhere where life is, the cries of suffering and sacrifice are on the wind. Our species is no exception to this - in fact we add treachery and deceit and bewilderment on top of it. We use what power we do have to enslave the world to our own ends, and despite the comfort this generates we live lives of little joy. Every person from childhood on experiences pain and sorrow and disappointment and disease. Ultimately the saint and sinner, the wise and the foolish all meet the same fate.

"He who performs an act or causes an act to be performed ........he who destroys life, the thief, the housebreaker, the plunderer, the highwayman, the adulterer and the liar......... commits no sin. Even if with a razor-sharp discus a man were to reduce all the life on earth to a single heap of flesh he would commit no sin, neither would sin approach him....." -Purana Kassapa ~450 BCE

Basically, nothing is holy here. If there is any such thing as goodness and righteousness, it does not come from the patterns of this world but from somewhere else - that being within us. Therefore any such standardized system of justice will be subjective, incomplete and in some cases intellectually stultifying. I think it becomes a more manageable task to aspire to act justly, rather than to define justice. I think simply that if someone acts from a place of mindfulness and consciousness, whatsoever they do will be just. It is hard to willingly commit many evils if one is not deluded or acting unconsciously. That makes mindfulness the only real virtue, but it produces compassion and love.

January 02, 2018, 03:41:46 am
Re: Explaining Magic with Psychology I have a similar psychological model of magic in my materialist paradigm. I think the individual soul arises with and exists concurrently with the body. I do not believe it survives independently or apart from it, and neither does it reincarnate and live again. (At least in the way people generally think about reincarnation - there is a deeper understanding buried in that doctrine however.)  That being said I think it's important to acknowledge that the dimension of mind has hidden properties and states that can contain knowledge and wisdom. I do not rule out the possibility of obtaining certain types of knowledge through magical means, as mentioned in the list of things the model doesn't cover.

I think that this model covers magic quite nicely; the only few things that this model cannot explain are experiences that are really out there, such as:

1. Receiving information you couldn't have possibly known in evocation
4. Telepathic experiences, which aren't frequent, but still

5. Being able to obtain information you couldn't have possibly known during astral travel

People speak of learning things in the Akashic records. And I also do not rule out information gained in so-called "past life regressions" or experiences. Heck, I reinvented half of witchcraft through direct channeling before I ever even picked up a book on it. Even if these things are possible, I do not think it proves or points to the independent existence of the soul from the body. Instead, it just points to the fact that we are all interpreting parts of this manifold mind. It has been said that "thoughts float in the air," referencing telepathy, two people having the same thought at the same time, gaining knowledge, etc; now, they don't literally float through the air, that's just referencing this phenomena.

If you want to be careful to not externalize this partially shared pool of information with the way you talk about it, instead of saying we interpret the manifold mind - you can say we are all built on top of versions of the manifold mind.

It really raises questions about how much is available and how some of this stuff could be known by or stored by the brain. I don't have all the answers on that one, but I know for a fact that the subconscious mind and the hidden parts of our metaphysical dimensions are not simply inert echo chambers as one might expect of fully self-contained and physically-emanating minds.

January 02, 2018, 04:21:59 am
Re: How do you treat your altar? I have a blessed circle outside of my house - a disc cleared out in a bed of leaves over flat ground. Surprisingly it has kept its shape for some 2-3 months now despite having no structure beyond this. I visit it at least once a day, and speak blessings in it almost as often. This is where I most often practice my rituals in honor of the immaculate moon. Spatters of different colored wax can be seen in the center if one is observant. I do yoga here occasionally, and from time to time I like to come here and read old poetry during the day.

I have a few other spots that have this type of significance for me. I have a room that has walls covered in art and sigils created by myself and those close to me. It is decorated with objects that hold meaning or power for me, including a wicked dagger depicting a topless woman on the handle (from India); a vintage stoneware cup with a discolored concentric rainbow and a large crack (from Korea); a honeycomb; keepsakes from Spain, Italy, Russia, Alaska, Haiti and other places I've visited; my spellbook and my box of secrets; and in the middle my Zafu and Zabuton, upon which I practice daily meditation. I'm working on setting up a more formal altar here to have a place to focus the energy from all my little totems.

There's a fallen tree deeper into the woods nearby that I often visit. I walk along the horizontal trunk some 45 feet (a test of balance in places, there is no easy place to step off of the tree once you're on it) and come to a large forward limb with a split that is just wide enough to comfortably hold my cross-legged sitting body about 8 feet off the forest floor. I use this place for serene contemplation, meditation and observation away from the busy throng of the world.

Elsewhere in these woods I found a half-constructed shelter on top of a hill which had collapsed and been abandoned years ago. I righted the structure and found it to have a camouflaged tarp roof, wooden walls about 2ft high on 4 sides, and a mysterious chair left behind there which I sit in and survey the surrounding forest for a time each time I walk through here.

January 02, 2018, 05:13:01 am
Re: What would happen if you wore an inverted pentagram to work? That's a really interesting idea actually. I feel like it would be a good filter for the people you meet. You would learn a great deal about someone based on whether they are immediately disturbed, completely unobservant, completely uncaring, interested; if they give you a knowing look and nod, or even someone who laughs and says "Wait are you actually  wearing a pentagram?"

That being said, I work a part time job (mostly teenagers and older people) and I think most of my fellow employees would be deeply judgmental of such a thing. It wouldn't really be appropriate for the job, anyways. If you have a more mature work environment, I do feel that it could be an interesting conversation starter and tactic. Thing is though, most people don't know much about the path, or magic, or even real spirituality. So I prefer to use more subtle signs and only move into these subjects once I've vetted a person. Some people just aren't ready to talk about this stuff and others just aren't ready to hear it.

January 02, 2018, 05:18:31 pm
Re: Need Opinions: Anti-Cosmic Approach to LHP I just read through all of this and I've gotta say I really appreciate the current of thought happening here. I think my path has tread a lot of the same ground as this Acosmicism or Acosmic Adversarialism.

One thing I found interesting in particular was the earlier discussion on Demonolatry in the faustian sense; makings pacts with and devoting oneself to a particular entity through which one comes into contact with forbidden knowledge and other energies. I have found this to be a particularly effective approach even though I thought of it differently when I first started experimenting with this.

I chose to align and devote myself not to a conceptual entity from history or religion, but to the Immaculate Moon and the feminine energies associated with it within myself. I have spent much time since then performing rituals for and by her, honoring her cycles, and discovering her many appellations in search of her true name. Many things have I done in this lunar work.

After some time the character of my work changed. It was no longer of the nature of idolatry and worship as it had been in the beginning. Instead I became this white goddess, or at least a vessel or manifestation of it on this plane. And yet it continue to evolve through me. Things have been revealed to me in such a way that I have come to believe the creatures who are born and die here by her humble light have been deeply impacted by it. The eternal presence of her being and observation has been forever seared into or built into our biology and development. There's so much I could say about this path but I don't want to overload this thread with such an essay of a post.

Demonolatry is essentially an achetypical approach to these entities and energetic states. I think I happened to discover a deeply ingrained one (at least within myself) that contains a lot of what I would call wisdom (to use a word). I am curious if you would classify this as the same type of relationship as the one you experienced, Setamorphosis. I wonder what kind of entity you worked with and if you were happy with the result.

It's interesting, because my reverence for the moon has revealed different parts that are normally thrown into separate entities. There is an aspect of the Great Mother in it, with the connections to femininity and fertility. There's also the aspect of her the as Queen of Night  or Light in the Darkness, which is somewhat reminiscent of Set to me, especially because she suggests the possibility of the perfected soul. Also we have this aspect of constant cycles of birth and death, and yet immortality as part of that, which calls to mind Xeper or the remanifesting serpent in Apophis terms. (I just picked this book recently and have been working through it. I'm feeling some synchronicity in the things that King Mob has been posting about it honestly.)

There are also elements of silence, stillness, and humility - which come into play in my meditative practices. I'm sure you guys know how essential they are for internal alchemy. I'm gonna leave it here for now but there's another big topic I want to get into later about LHP/RHP/MP and how the separation between their goals is suspect. In very short form, LHP falsely fears total absorption of the self and thus results in clinging to egoic identities which limits their progression and ability to see what might be called Ultimate Truth; true RHP (which is rare) is mainly about direct techniques to connect to the void/unborn/source, but they stop here and don't teach methods of remanifestation or intentionality - instead preferring to remain in choiceless centered awareness. These practices are both necessary, I've found, in the highest levels of our path.

If you ask me, the truest blasphemy or greatest black magic is the super assertion of self of an enlightened being, whether that is manifested in the material dimension or the immaterial dimension. I know that's a loaded statement but I want to expand on this when I have more time to synthesize.

January 02, 2018, 07:13:42 pm