Forum => General LHP Discussion => Topic started by: Setamorphosis on August 20, 2017, 02:19:56 pm

Title: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamorphosis on August 20, 2017, 02:19:56 pm
I apologize if the title seems redundant, but I wrote it just in case there's a Setian here that doesn't take the Platonic Form approach.

I have three questions:

1. Do you believe Set can communicate with a person, whether by words or ideas?

2. How do you personally communicate with Set, if you do?

3. To what extent Set can have an influence in one's life?
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: pi_ramesses on August 20, 2017, 02:58:17 pm
Not at all @Ave Lucifugus (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=56). The challenge in answering your question is like trying to describe an ineffable experience. In short, here is my answer:

1. Yes. At times I hear a voice or think of something. The source is hidden.

2. If I do, I need not look any further than within my Self. Although I have known to be able to do it the other way around but not often. So the introspective method is my preference currently.

3. That is up to the individual to attenuate the accretions to his or her choosing.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamorphosis on August 21, 2017, 09:59:02 am
I see. That's really awesome. Do you ever pray to Set, even if metaphorically (form of introspection)?
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: pi_ramesses on August 21, 2017, 08:48:21 pm
I see. That's really awesome. Do you ever pray to Set, even if metaphorically (form of introspection)?

I suppose metaphorically in GBM through invocation. But similar to the thread on gods, I wouldn't say that I pray to Set for help with anything in particular. It's not something that I want or expect from Set. The Black Flame within is there so it's really on me if I fail to extract what I desire from it.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Xepera maSet on August 21, 2017, 10:04:46 pm
1. Absolutely. I've had a few truly deep interactions with Set, one of them made me a Setian and saved my life. More than the Jewish god ever did when I was growing up!

2. For me it's usually through visualization mediation. Since high school I've had this kind of astral garden of the gods I go to, where I've interacted with several of them.

3. As much as anything you, for example, read on a book. It can inspire, but Set doesn't seem to take direct control of any situation, and doesn't seem capable of any physical interaction with the world of matter.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamorphosis on August 22, 2017, 04:50:26 am
I, too, believe that entities have a subtle influence on this world, through people, by inspiring / idea conjuring.

Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamontet on August 22, 2017, 09:45:14 am

1. Do you believe Set can communicate with a person, whether by words or ideas?

2. How do you personally communicate with Set, if you do?

3. To what extent Set can have an influence in one's life?

All human beings possess the Essence of Set, known as the Black Flame, which gives us awareness, a heightened Sense of Self, and the potential for higher intelligence.  As Black Magicians we are become more attuned to the mind of Set than other humans, and through workings of Greater Black Magic the link between ourselves and Set becomes even stronger.  This makes it more probable and likely that Set would and does communicate with his Elect through presence, words, new ideas, and understandings.

Direct communication with the Prince of Darkness is done through ritual magic, what is known as Greater Black Magic.

The Setian can be sure of two events in which Set deliberately and directly intervenes in or influences our life.  Firstly, on a racial level, in eons past when Set first came forth and infused within that which would become humankind the essence of His own Being, the Gift of the Black Flame.  Secondly, that unique event in the individual Setians life on the Path of Xeper, when Set comes forth and enshrines within us further of His Essence.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamontet on August 23, 2017, 09:59:12 am
3. To what extent Set can have an influence in one's life?

Given the above mentioned interactions of Set with those of his own kind, it is very rare that Set would ever intervene in our lives.  He has given us the Magical tools we need to solve our own problems, to be the victors and conquerors of our own challenges and conquests in life, and forge our own way on the Path of Darkness.

"Set did not receive the aid of other gods in his quests, nor does Set give aid to those who seek to emulate these quests on a human level. Those who struggle (like Set) with the principle of Xeper are of his Essence. Their actions are essentially the same." - Don Webb

However, it is unlikely that Set would not accompany those who invite him on their own individual journeys and quests on the Path.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Deidre on August 23, 2017, 07:04:40 pm
3. To what extent Set can have an influence in one's life?

Given the above mentioned interactions of Set with those of his own kind, it is very rare that Set would ever intervene in our lives.  He has given us the Magical tools we need to solve our own problems, to be the victors and conquerors of our own challenges and conquests in life, and forge our own way on the Path of Darkness.

"Set did not receive the aid of other gods in his quests, nor does Set give aid to those who seek to emulate these quests on a human level. Those who struggle (like Set) with the principle of Xeper are of his Essence. Their actions are essentially the same." - Don Webb

However, it is unlikely that Set would not accompany those who invite him on their own individual journeys and quests on the Path.

Would you say that the struggle is part of the Setian way, or maybe thee way?  If you were to call upon Set, would you feel his response? If you do, would that be somewhat like he is intervening?

Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamontet on August 23, 2017, 07:43:46 pm
3. To what extent Set can have an influence in one's life?

Given the above mentioned interactions of Set with those of his own kind, it is very rare that Set would ever intervene in our lives.  He has given us the Magical tools we need to solve our own problems, to be the victors and conquerors of our own challenges and conquests in life, and forge our own way on the Path of Darkness.

"Set did not receive the aid of other gods in his quests, nor does Set give aid to those who seek to emulate these quests on a human level. Those who struggle (like Set) with the principle of Xeper are of his Essence. Their actions are essentially the same." - Don Webb

However, it is unlikely that Set would not accompany those who invite him on their own individual journeys and quests on the Path.

Would you say that the struggle is part of the Setian way, or maybe thee way?  If you were to call upon Set, would you feel his response? If you do, would that be somewhat like he is intervening?

The struggle is part of the Path of Xeper, Self-directed Self-evolution isn't always easy.  Remember, the LHP is the path of most resistance.  Ha, but you Deidre have brought up a similar point or argument I presented to Priest Don Webb in a letter back in the day.  We don't look for Set around every corner, but when called upon, Set does subtly intervene at times in our life.  It was this same argument that tipped the balance in my favor and helped get me Recognized to the Degree of Adept in the Temple of Set, when I was a member.  ;)
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Deidre on August 23, 2017, 09:42:34 pm
3. To what extent Set can have an influence in one's life?

Given the above mentioned interactions of Set with those of his own kind, it is very rare that Set would ever intervene in our lives.  He has given us the Magical tools we need to solve our own problems, to be the victors and conquerors of our own challenges and conquests in life, and forge our own way on the Path of Darkness.

"Set did not receive the aid of other gods in his quests, nor does Set give aid to those who seek to emulate these quests on a human level. Those who struggle (like Set) with the principle of Xeper are of his Essence. Their actions are essentially the same." - Don Webb

However, it is unlikely that Set would not accompany those who invite him on their own individual journeys and quests on the Path.

Would you say that the struggle is part of the Setian way, or maybe thee way?  If you were to call upon Set, would you feel his response? If you do, would that be somewhat like he is intervening?

The struggle is part of the Path of Xeper, Self-directed Self-evolution isn't always easy.  Remember, the LHP is the path of most resistance.  Ha, but you Deidre have brought up a similar point or argument I presented to Priest Don Webb in a letter back in the day.  We don't look for Set around every corner, but when called upon, Set does subtly intervene at times in our life.  It was this same argument that tipped the balance in my favor and got me Recognized to the Degree of Adept in the Temple of Set.  ;)

If I were to follow Set, I'd call on him always. lol It's just what I do when it comes to deities. ^_^

So you have degrees, and ceremonies, interesting.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Onyx on August 23, 2017, 09:44:30 pm
It is often difficult to resist the things that work against your sense of self-rulership. But once the fear of unknown consequences is overcome, your intuition is automatically put into the driver's seat. Action versus Reaction. I try to think of what Set represents often, especially in terms of what I'm really capable of instead of relying on the assumptions of others.

I have sensed the presence of Set as an "interested party". But more importantly to me (as Don Webb indicates in his book Uncle Setnakt's Guide to the Left-Hand Path) is to not become a "big fish in a small pond". There is plenty of practicable wisdom available from our kindred spirits who have their own unique and varied understandings of the Left-Hand Path.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamorphosis on August 24, 2017, 04:30:59 am
As someone has been changing a lot in short periods of time (and still am to this day), I agree that self-evolution isn't always easy. In fact, some things were deeply ingrained, so it took some effort and time to root them out.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Setamontet on August 24, 2017, 08:29:08 am

So you have degrees, and ceremonies, interesting.

The ToS has a degree system, but I am no longer a member of the ToS.
Title: Re: To Setians who take the Platonic Form approach: I have some questions
Post by: Xepera maSet on August 24, 2017, 11:16:01 am
It's cheesy, but I kind of buy into the idea that "when you think of Set he thinks of you." If you understand Platonism it's much less some religious saying and more an obvious statement of fact though.