Forum => General LHP Discussion => Satanism => Topic started by: Hapu on January 07, 2020, 08:50:45 pm

Title: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 07, 2020, 08:50:45 pm
Money is economic freedom. We on the Left Hand Path are vocal about our insistence on freedom, yet often we're silent about the economic dimension thereof.

If I want to be free from fear and want, I need money or else the benevolence of a moneyed patron. Or to be a Buddhist, I suppose.

Money makes the world go round. Money is the God of the capitalists. Put your money where your mouth is and most will not only listen but obey.

The one with the gold makes the rules.

Radical freedom is the freedom to do as I please, and for that, I need moolah, filthy lucre.

Lately Mammon has been on my mind.

We would find it startling if someone knocked on our door and said, "Do you know Mammon?" But of course there's no need for that. Mammon's temples are everywhere. Banks! And their far more predatory siblings: Casinos!

In Mammon We Trust, here in the USA. One Nation Under Money.

Isn't it rich?

Title: Mammon Ritual
Post by: Hapu on January 08, 2020, 10:43:17 am
Mammon Ritual

This ritual is carefully constructed. Nothing in it is arbitrary. Perform it as is.

In preparation, listen to these at full volume.

Sound of bull roaring – go to the 26 seconds mark:
https://youtu.be/6SoeEP-pHA0 (https://youtu.be/6SoeEP-pHA0)

Sound of coins clinking:
https://youtu.be/67nLQ3Zl4_s (https://youtu.be/67nLQ3Zl4_s)

Sound of paper money being counted:
https://youtu.be/JrSlU1OJjl8 (https://youtu.be/JrSlU1OJjl8)

Now:

In a quiet, private space, either sit or stand, whichever is more comfortable for you. Do not kneel.

Throughout this ritual, fix your eyes on the Seal of Mammon, which I’ve attached. You may stare at this Seal on your computer, on your phone, on a piece of paper, or however else is convenient or most motivating for you. Just keep your eyes on the Seal.

Regulate your breathing.

Imagine a ring of boulders rising up from the ground all around you in a circle.

Imagine rushing water circulating all about the boulders in a circle all around you.

Imagine a rushing wind blowing over the water all around you in a circle.

Imagine giant flames burning in a circle all around you.

Imagine the sound of a bull roaring.

Imagine the smell of the interior of a new car.

Imagine the sound of coins clinking.

Imagine the smell of chocolate.

Imagine the sound of paper money being counted.

Imagine the smell of fresh, new paper money.

Imagine the sound of a bull roaring.

While inhaling, think the words, “Unexpected wealth,” then exhale.

While inhaling, think the words, “Unobstructed wealth,” then exhale.

While inhaling, think the words, “Uninterrupted wealth,” then exhale.

Inhale, then while exhaling onto the Seal, think the name “Mammon.” Repeat two more times.

That’s it. Done.

Disengage by closing your computer, placing your phone in your pocket, filing away your piece of paper, whatever applies. Leave the room. Do some unrelated task while thinking about some unrelated topic.

Perform this ritual no more than once a week.

Remember, Mammon helps those who help themselves, so if an opportunity for enrichment arises, but you have to take action in order to secure it, take that action.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 08, 2020, 12:57:59 pm
I did the working as described, left the room and looked around the house a bit. I have a few space heaters but all have failed except one. I intended to buy another soon, but after this exercise I found another one tucked away (which I really should have noticed before now), and it works fine.

So within minutes I already saved money through the electric sight gained from this exercise. Another thing that came to mind is that this place is rather akin to Sanford & Son's salvage yard, and I might as well start selling things off and pocket the change.

Good work @Hapu (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=457).






Title: Re: Money
Post by: Liu on January 08, 2020, 05:28:07 pm
Thanks for sharing your work!

But why no changing of details?
E.g., I guess the smell of the inside of a new car is supposed to be associated with having the money to buy that? I would only get negative feelings from that, though. I don't like cars, I don't intend to buy any ever probably, and on long car or bus trips I get nauseous, so I also don't associate the smell with good feelings.
And for example the aptness of the coin and bill sounds could be culture-dependent.

I don't intend to use that ritual anytime soon anyway, just curious.
(it's not like I'm rich or earn a lot, I'm just stingy and frugal and so I don't really feel much of a desire for more money than I currently earn, and kindling such a desire seems rather counter-productive at the moment)
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 08, 2020, 06:54:27 pm
My interpretation of this working involves maintaining dominion:

Quote from: Hapu
The one with the gold makes the rules.

Equally important to having a fat wallet is maintaining dominion through acquiring skills and talents which outclass those of others. Therefore I daresay that "gold" is being used here in a symbolic sense.

Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 09, 2020, 08:49:29 pm
The rich are focal points of energy. This is what some magicians don't understand. Money is energy. On the physical plane it's just metal or paper or magnetic ones and zeroes. But on the anthropological plane it's energy, which means it's the capacity for doing work. By its availability things get done. By its absence they don't. Precisely like sunlight beaming down into the trees. Precisely and literally, not metaphorically. It's just a question of planes, physical versus anthropological. On the physical plane, light, heat, and electricity enable work. On the anthropological plane, money enables work.

Power is the amount of energy converted into work over unit of time. To have power is to have access to energy and a mechanism for converting energy into work. On the physical plane, one source of energy is gasoline, and one conversion mechanism is the engine of an automobile. On the anthropological plane, the energy is money, and one conversion mechanism is the payroll system, be it automated or manual. If you have a known work product, a coherent labor process, an adequate payroll system, and sufficient funds, you can get meaningful things done.

Magicians are often told to aim at end goals, not at money, because money is seen as merely a means to an end, and not necessarily the only means. There's wisdom in this, no doubt about it, but it's not the complete truth. If your end goal is something substantial on either the physical or anthropological plane, then anthropological resources will have to be rallied, and that means that sooner or later you will need money brought to bear, either by you or by your minions. For example, short of someone dying and bequeathing you their home, you will not take ownership of a house without money being brought to bear.

The magician who wants to have real impact must eventually forge a relationship with Mammon.
 
Title: Re: Money
Post by: idgo on January 10, 2020, 01:08:34 am
Money as cash is an incarnation of Value, and perhaps its most universal one. I might call inequality the truly fundamental expression of value -- the human tendency to say "I would rather have that thing than this one, so much so that I will trade you for it" is what gives any form of trade its power -- but money is likely the most widespread and general form of trade.

It's no accident that value as "that thing has value because I will trade you something for it" bears the same name as moral values, as "I think that would be wrong and so I would not do it no matter how much someone paid me". These moral values, uncommon though they may be these days, delineate the only areas which Value-as-money cannot directly control. They seem somewhat unfashionable of late, which is a boon to capitalism as a system and the sorcerers who manipulate their worlds with it alike.

Cash is certainly the most prevalent incarnation of Value, but capitalism has constructed many competitors for it, some of which can even overpower it in their areas of expertise. A comparison of investment vehicles against the gradual devaluation of physical cash tucked under a mattress is the most obvious example, though units of work or thought from brands to clicks to cryptocurrencies are also presently in vogue. These work-units have their disadvantages against cash, of course, being relatively illiquid and inconvenient to convert between forms, but they have the advantage of being creatable directly from forms of power typically near the outskirts of Mammon's domain.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 10, 2020, 09:01:27 am
It's no accident that value as "that thing has value because I will trade you something for it" bears the same name as moral values, as "I think that would be wrong and so I would not do it no matter how much someone paid me". These moral values, uncommon though they may be these days, delineate the only areas which Value-as-money cannot directly control. They seem somewhat unfashionable of late, which is a boon to capitalism as a system and the sorcerers who manipulate their worlds with it alike.

Yes.

No one can serve two masters. Either you will love the one and hate the other, or you will detest the one and cling to the other. You cannot serve both piety and money.

Let the Christians take from that what they will, while I take exactly the opposite.
Title: Re: Mammon and Money
Post by: Hapu on January 10, 2020, 09:52:25 am
From time to time a sorcerer will perform a ritual, and as a result the scales will fall from his eyes, and suddenly he will see that he has had a benefactor all along, and he will see what that benefactor has been doing for him. When this occurs, what remains for the sorcerer to do is say thank you. Remember this. The principle of courtesy has great currency in hell.

I performed the Mammon Ritual two days ago. This morning the scales fell from my eyes and I saw that Mammon had been my benefactor for decades.

At the company I work for, it is against corporate policy for someone with no Bachelor's Degree to hold the rank of second level manager. I hold the rank of second level manager and I have no Bachelor's degree.

I was promoted to second level manager some twenty years ago. In order for this to occur, I had to succeed at a task which had daunted some of those who were already at said rank. I did so. But I still would not have been promoted if I hadn't had a particular supervisor who was warrior enough to battle on my behalf. She fought and won, and then, as if she had done the one thing she had been there to do, she found a better opportunity elsewhere and left the company. I never heard from her again.

I remember the day I learned of my promotion being approved. On the morning of that day, as I was crossing the parking lot to enter the building I worked in, right in front of me a hawk swooped down from the sky and like a guided missile collided with the bird that had been its prey, and then flew off with its prize. As I caught my breath and my heart re-started, so startled was I, the certainty came to me that my promotion had been approved. And so it was.

At the company I work for, it is likewise against corporate policy for someone to work from home for more than two days a week. I work from home full time, all five days of the work week.

I had to have a good argument for this, and I did and still do. But arguments do not suffice when policy is being circumvented. A focal point of energy must weave the threads on one's behalf. My boss's boss is that focal point of energy. That she is willing is due to the confluence of factors that men call luck.

Finally, in recent months I found myself failing at a work task. For a variety of reasons I was ill suited to success. I may actually have failed had fate not intervened. A member of my work team had violated corporate policy flagrantly enough to earn termination. Someone had to take over his projects. My boss and boss's boss decided the most capable person to do this was me. Magically my prior responsibilities were removed from my shoulders and distributed among others on the team. I took over my new responsibilities. And the task I had been failing at was no longer mine. Someone else would finish it. I was off the hook.

Great and profound is the name of Mammon.

Money flows in two directions, toward and away. In my prior examples, money was flowing toward me in the form of a pay check. In this last example, money is flowing away from me in a commercial transaction.

Since 2009 my path has included physical exercise of a fairly strenuous nature. Recently, due to the debilitations of age, I can no longer engage in the kinds of exercise I used to. (Martial arts.) Nor can I jog or do anything that puts pressure on my feet, ankles, knees, calves, or thighs. I need something new. There is only one form of exercise that meets my needs, and that is swimming. But I don't have a pool. Nor has there been a gym in my area that offers one. Until practically the very second I needed one to exist. Lo and behold, on practically the very day that I was realizing my only recourse was to swim, a new gym opened up in my area, and it offered a pool. Yesterday I signed up as a member, along with my daughter. Such are the confluence of factors that men call luck.

Great and profound is the name of Mammon.

Mammon, I thank you. Publicly I thank you. Before witnesses competent to comprehend the statement, I thank you. My longtime benefactor, my precious friend in low places, I thank you. Purveyor of good fortune when I didn't even know it was you, I thank you. I know the principle of courtesy has great currency in hell, and so I have honored it. Mammon, I thank you. Great and profound is your name.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: idgo on January 10, 2020, 05:32:51 pm
It's no accident that value as "that thing has value because I will trade you something for it" bears the same name as moral values, as "I think that would be wrong and so I would not do it no matter how much someone paid me". These moral values, uncommon though they may be these days, delineate the only areas which Value-as-money cannot directly control. They seem somewhat unfashionable of late, which is a boon to capitalism as a system and the sorcerers who manipulate their worlds with it alike.

Yes.

No one can serve two masters. Either you will love the one and hate the other, or you will detest the one and cling to the other. You cannot serve both piety and money.

Let the Christians take from that what they will, while I take exactly the opposite.

Interesting, they don't look so separate at all to me. It looks to me like the "master" of Value has a list of demands, and finances are often but not always at the top of that list. This interpretation looks incomplete, though, when I examine the ways in which a non-financial value (perhaps "I shall only work part time so that I can care for cute animals") can be converted into a financial one ("donate money to help save the cute animals who were hurt by a natural disaster!").

Of the magics, I think alchemy is most closely aligned with how money functions in my life. The whole philosopher's stone meme is about eternal life, which can be read as maximizing the time available to spend as one chooses rather than as one feels compelled to. And money fulfills exactly that purpose: I invest some time into lucrative work, as the alchemist invests some lead and other chemicals, and through the vehicle of money received related to that time investment, I can purchase the goods and services that eliminate several times over more drudgery from my life. A few minutes of work becomes money which can provide something I need yet would have had to invest multiple hours to create for myself at the same standard of quality, such as a good meal.

Of course, taking this approach to the extreme, by foisting off all problems of skill save the earning of money onto others, takes one in an entirely different direction from most conventional life goals, by minimizing the opportunities to personally practice and enhance those skills. In one way, the conventional goals are simply a coping mechanism for trying to make do in, instead of break out of, unfortunate situations. In another way, those goals may be reflective of one's actual Will from time to time, in which cases the opportunity to buy away all daily practice can be viewed as a test of whether one is foolish enough to take things that are to one's own disavantage. And ultimately, most concrete skills can be bought as tutelage from their experts with an appropriate financial intervention.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Etu Malku on January 10, 2020, 08:19:46 pm
Money Magic is Mercuræn Majiq! Wealth and Prosperity tend to be the goal as opposed to simply 'money'. However, the actual goal for the sirius sorcerer is Sovereignty, which for some is to acquire enough wealth & prosperity so that you can come and go as you please, so to speak, or to become a hermit and removed from the demands of the World of Horrors. In either case, the goal is sovereignty in one's life in order to be free from distractions and the necessary time to evolve as a mage.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Liu on January 11, 2020, 08:27:29 am
Yes.

No one can serve two masters. Either you will love the one and hate the other, or you will detest the one and cling to the other. You cannot serve both piety and money.

Let the Christians take from that what they will, while I take exactly the opposite.
Why piety? The values I would pit against money are enjoyment and knowledge.
I work in a research field that is completely dependent on public funding and won't ever produce anything of economic value beyond a book perhaps once in a while (and with the current move to open access, probably not even that).

So a significant amount of people willing to work in this field do so because they enjoy doing the kind of work they are doing here and the insights it generates, because they easily could make more money and have an easier time getting a job in almost all other fields. I wouldn't call that piety.

Regarding your post on all the things you thank Mammon for - could you elaborate why you ascribe them to him? As you say, the result of some of these was an improvement of your financial situation, but not of all of them, and the reason why had no more to do with money than I would ascribe it to money if someone starts buying different food (of roughly the same price) to improve their diet. Sure there is money involved in all these things, it just doesn't seem like the essential factor. So your image of Mammon must be much vaster than that.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Km Anu on January 11, 2020, 09:47:50 am
Mammon Ritual

Remember, Mammon helps those who help themselves, so if an opportunity for enrichment arises, but you have to take action in order to secure it, take that action.

Interesting choice of sounds, reminds me of Fehu. Especially with the bull roar. Similarly,  the method of strong visualization reminds me a bit of the imagery that comes from the rune poems, shifting with each breath.

It also shows just how unnecessary the rune is for every situation, especially just to acquire wealth. It's not as personalized as the above method. The specific details of material wealth remained the focus whereas in my vocal practice, the general idea of wealth would produce very abstract concepts. (Like knowledge or time for example.)

I'll perform this one more time in a week and let you know what else I see.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 11, 2020, 10:42:25 am
Mammon Ritual

Interesting choice of sounds, reminds me of Fehu. Especially with the bull roar. Similarly,  the method of strong visualization reminds me a bit of the imagery that comes from the rune poems, shifting with each breath.

Incidentally, I have the Fehu rune tattooed on my left bicep.


I'll perform this one more time in a week and let you know what else I see.

I look forward to it.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 11, 2020, 11:23:42 am
Why piety? The values I would pit against money are enjoyment and knowledge.

Yet money is the conduit to many forms of enjoyment and knowledge, and piety is the conduit to neither. Whatever enjoyment or knowledge one seems to gain from piety are in fact self-deceit. Piety in general is woven throughout with self-deceit.

Piety is the reason many people take a "best things in life are free" attitude toward life. Sunsets are certainly enjoyable, without question, but for most of us it is pious to choose a sunset over one's favorite food or one's favorite form of entertainment. As for sex, it is one of the most expensive pastimes, at least for the hunter. The hunted can get sex without spending any money.

Public libraries may seem to offer enjoyment and knowledge for free, but this is an illusion. We pay for public libraries with our taxes. Money well spent, I hasten to add.


I work in a research field that is completely dependent on public funding and won't ever produce anything of economic value beyond a book perhaps once in a while (and with the current move to open access, probably not even that).

So a significant amount of people willing to work in this field do so because they enjoy doing the kind of work they are doing here and the insights it generates, because they easily could make more money and have an easier time getting a job in almost all other fields. I wouldn't call that piety.

I wouldn't either. I would call it an economic decision: weighing the opportunity cost of choosing one particular career against the enjoyment and other rewards the career affords.
 

Regarding your post on all the things you thank Mammon for - could you elaborate why you ascribe them to him? As you say, the result of some of these was an improvement of your financial situation, but not of all of them, and the reason why had no more to do with money than I would ascribe it to money if someone starts buying different food (of roughly the same price) to improve their diet. Sure there is money involved in all these things, it just doesn't seem like the essential factor. So your image of Mammon must be much vaster than that.

Mammon is money coming in and money going out, and how and why the money comes in, and how and why the money goes out. Mammon is economics. 
 
Economics is the hydraulics of the anthropological plane.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Liu on January 11, 2020, 01:37:32 pm
Why piety? The values I would pit against money are enjoyment and knowledge.

Yet money is the conduit to many forms of enjoyment and knowledge, and piety is the conduit to neither. Whatever enjoyment or knowledge one seems to gain from piety are in fact self-deceit. Piety in general is woven throughout with self-deceit.

Piety is the reason many people take a "best things in life are free" attitude toward life. Sunsets are certainly enjoyable, without question, but for most of us it is pious to choose a sunset over one's favorite food or one's favorite form of entertainment. As for sex, it is one of the most expensive pastimes, at least for the hunter. The hunted can get sex without spending any money.
It doesn't feel like piety to me if I fulfill my desires with stuff I get for free. It's economic thinking - unless it leads me to not use my opportunities due to downplaying my needs.

And I see self-deceit also in believing that something must be better just because it's more expensive.

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Public libraries may seem to offer enjoyment and knowledge for free, but this is an illusion. We pay for public libraries with our taxes. Money well spent, I hasten to add.

Public libraries aren't free even if one disregards taxes, you have to pay an annual fee (even if a fairly small one) to borrow books.
Free "libraries" are open-access-journals, file-sharing services, online forums, public book-exchange places, and similar, and those are hardly paid by taxes.

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I wouldn't either. I would call it an economic decision: weighing the opportunity cost of choosing one particular career against the enjoyment and other rewards the career affords.
Well if you consider that an aspect of economics, everything is.

Mammon is money coming in and money going out, and how and why the money comes in, and how and why the money goes out. Mammon is economics. 
 
Economics is the hydraulics of the anthropological plane.
Yes, all your examples are somehow linked into that, but it still does not seem like the causal mechanism behind all of them - based on what you wrote, there is no economic cause for why your boss lets you work from home after all.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 12, 2020, 11:45:03 am
It doesn't feel like piety to me if I fulfill my desires with stuff I get for free. It's economic thinking - unless it leads me to not use my opportunities due to downplaying my needs.

Your concluding sentence is on the right track. If I go to the library to get a book because that's the cheapest way for me to obtain what I want to read, and I have no need to own what I've read after I've read it, that's economic thinking, as you say. If I forego something I want because I have some notion of the moral excellence of asceticism, that's (a form of) piety. There are other forms of piety, but asceticism is one. Another word for asceticism is abstinence, as in this:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.



And I see self-deceit also in believing that something must be better just because it's more expensive.

You're correct in that. I recall an experiment that was done, in which the same product was sold under two different prices, and the higher priced items sold better, despite being identical to the lower priced items. The buyers of the higher priced items were dupes.

Even so, it is generally the case that prices obey the law of supply and demand. High supply, low demand, low price. Low supply, high demand, high price. High supply, high demand, medium price. Low supply, low demand - probably won't be sold at all. Higher prices tend to indicate higher demand. Whether high demand indicates high quality must be assessed on a case by case basis.


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I wouldn't either. I would call it an economic decision: weighing the opportunity cost of choosing one particular career against the enjoyment and other rewards the career affords.
Well if you consider that an aspect of economics, everything is.

Exactly.


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Mammon is money coming in and money going out, and how and why the money comes in, and how and why the money goes out. Mammon is economics. 
 
Economics is the hydraulics of the anthropological plane.
Yes, all your examples are somehow linked into that, but it still does not seem like the causal mechanism behind all of them - based on what you wrote, there is no economic cause for why your boss lets you work from home after all.

It isn't necessary, nor is it the case, that all human decisions are motivated by economics. There will, nevertheless, be economic ramifications to almost every decision. I go to the gym to swim. I do this for health and fitness. I don't do this to make money. Nevertheless, I spend money in order to do it. That's an economic ramification.

Incidentally, one of the reasons my boss's boss lets me work from home is the lower cost to the company, so her motivation is partially economic. Meanwhile, because I work from home, I spend less money on gasoline and automobile maintenance. That's an economic ramification. Also, because I work from home, I earn my income with significantly less effort and psychological strain, which makes employment a better economic deal for me. Also, because my boss's boss lets me work from home, I am far less likely to look for a job elsewhere, and that allows my boss's boss to continue to be able to buy my services, which are economically valuable to the company.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 12, 2020, 12:02:39 pm
Quote from: Hapu
I recall an experiment that was done, in which the same product was sold under two different prices, and the higher priced items sold better, despite being identical to the lower priced items.

I've heard of businesses doing stuff like that. One guy claimed he had two vacuum cleaners of similar make (but different colors) on display, and that the one he artificially priced higher sold better.

Edit: I'm reminded of a now-defunct grocery store, who for years sold jars of peanut butter and jelly with their own branding for more than the generic ones produced by the same company. Besides the label, they were identical. It's hilarious.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 12, 2020, 06:31:51 pm
I'm re-arranging the altar for my next invocation of Mammon. There is paper money in the shopping cart (and coins in the drawer) so the sounds will be made through direct interaction. Similar working but removed from the computer.

One of my final preperations involves how best to incorporate the Seal of Mammon. @Hapu (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=457) suggested to perform the ritual as-is, which I at least highly recommend the first time around.

To me, the whole idea is logically sound and one I will continue to explore.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 12, 2020, 09:53:21 pm
I'm re-arranging the altar for my next invocation of Mammon. There is paper money in the shopping cart (and coins in the drawer) so the sounds will be made through direct interaction. Similar working but removed from the computer.

I adore the shopping cart.


One of my final preperations involves how best to incorporate the Seal of Mammon. @Hapu (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=457) suggested to perform the ritual as-is, which I at least highly recommend the first time around.

To me, the whole idea is logically sound and one I will continue to explore.

I may have the Seal made into a medallion. Someone on Etsy could surely do it.

Maybe for your ritual you could incorporate an actual chocolate bar for the aroma.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 13, 2020, 11:07:14 am
I discard 2 and pick up 3.

2: internal and external universes.

3: subjective plane, anthropological plane, physical plane.

The mindset of 2 allows only 2 domains in which a ritual can succeed: the internal and the external. This is accurate but unhelpful. The non-internal is too vast under this mindset. It includes, for example, planets and stars, and because I have zero expectation of my ritual affecting, for example, planets and stars, I dupe myself into thinking my ritual can only affect my internal universe.

The mindset of 3 allows 3 domains in which a ritual can succeed: my subjective plane, the anthropological plane, and the physical plane. I have every expectation of a ritual succeeding on my subjective plane. I generally have zero expectation of a ritual succeeding on the physical plane. In between these two extremes is the middle domain, the anthropological plane, and it is there that serious magic is done.

It is on the anthropological plane that the demons sit their thrones, and greatest among them is Mammon, for economic transactions provide the conduits by which nearly all else of any import can manifest. Think of the demons as an organized crime family. Mammon is the Don.

Our compatriot idgo did magic to manifest copper wire. He found the copper wire while digging in the earth. He spent no money! Was Mammon uninvolved, then? Hardly. Someone spent money to purchase copper wire, or else someone stole it, and even theft is Mammon, for to spend or to steal is an economic decision. Whoever bought or stole the wire had extra when finished. This extra, on purpose or by accident, was discarded, and got buried under dirt, and was dug up by idgo. The conduits by which the wire manifested for idgo were provided by economic transactions.

Give the devil his due.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: idgo on January 13, 2020, 05:17:26 pm
I discard 2 and pick up 3.

2: internal and external universes.

3: subjective plane, anthropological plane, physical plane.

The mindset of 2 allows only 2 domains in which a ritual can succeed: the internal and the external. This is accurate but unhelpful. The non-internal is too vast under this mindset. It includes, for example, planets and stars, and because I have zero expectation of my ritual affecting, for example, planets and stars, I dupe myself into thinking my ritual can only affect my internal universe.

The mindset of 3 allows 3 domains in which a ritual can succeed: my subjective plane, the anthropological plane, and the physical plane. I have every expectation of a ritual succeeding on my subjective plane. I generally have zero expectation of a ritual succeeding on the physical plane. In between these two extremes is the middle domain, the anthropological plane, and it is there that serious magic is done.

Well noted, how if our SU/OU "dichotomy" has indeed a line between them, it will have those problems of limitation. When I look for the line in my own usage of them, though, I find not a division but a spectrum. Some things are absolutely and exclusively interior to my mind -- they arise from within it after many levels of indirection from any external stimuli they might have been based upon, and never have cause to exit my subjective experience. Other things are extremely external to me -- they are little details among others, which only affect me (if at all) through side effects of their side effects. But most things are of intermediate internality/externality: some contributing factors are useful to describe as having come from within me, while others are useful to describe as coming from without.

The habit of glossing them into a duality, however, is rather untidy.

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Our compatriot idgo did magic to manifest copper wire. He found the copper wire while digging in the earth. He spent no money! Was Mammon uninvolved, then? Hardly. Someone spent money to purchase copper wire, or else someone stole it, and even theft is Mammon, for to spend or to steal is an economic decision. Whoever bought or stole the wire had extra when finished. This extra, on purpose or by accident, was discarded, and got buried under dirt, and was dug up by idgo. The conduits by which the wire manifested for idgo were provided by economic transactions.

Give the devil his due.

I prefer to call it having had good luck -- helps reality heal back up after an improbability, banishes the sort of expectations that might encourage a reliance on improbability to meet future needs, and so on. But since you like my luck, I'll point out where it can be tied to Mammon even more tightly than you've already discerned:

1) That copper might have been in the ground because someone dropped and lost it, but by far the highest probability (based on my knowledge of the people who have lived here for the past ~100 years) for how it got there is that tossing it into the bushes was the cheapest way to be rid of it. We could credit Mammon with goading some past builder to toss their rubbish out into the local ecology rather than hiring a service to properly remove it away toss it into some more remote and socially sanctioned ecology instead.

2) I was engaged in the recreation of purchasing and subsequently planting a tree, and at liberty to pick a spot for the tree which seemed nice on the spur of the moment rather than having over-planned over months of saving up for the project, because my general career and lifestyle engage me with Mammon in a way that we both seem to find satisfactory. From owning land that I consider worth investing perennial plants into, to having the free time to put them in myself, to having the disposable income to happen to pick up that second tree when it jumped out at me, in the world of understanding-through-Mammon it is Mammon all the way down.

Oh, and a little more of the story of why I was planting that tree in the first place might amuse: I was purchasing a fruit tree from a seller at a market, because I like participating in a world where they sell trees at markets so I make a point of being sure to buy some now and again, as the world gets more of what we collectively pay for. This seller brings bare-root fruit trees to the market at this time of year -- all the apples are together with their roots wrapped with sawdust and burlap, all the peaches are together similarly, and so forth. I had only really planned on getting one tree, but as the seller knealt to separate it from the bundle of its species, a single tree from a neighboring bundle fell over onto the tree I was purchasing! On an impulse, I bought the second tree too, joking that it looked like it wanted to come along. I had an idea of where I'd plant the first tree, but since the second tree hopped into my order unexpectedly, I had to wander all around finding it a site. And once we (well, my desires for how I'd like my garden to look, plus my expectations about what the tree would need in order to give me the tastiest food) came to an agreement on where to put it, that was where the chunk of metal I'd been looking for turned up.

We could go many ways from here -- we could call the tree a lucky tree, we could call me a person who has luck, we could fall in a hole about how improbable the whole thing was and ruminate on the unlikelihood that it would ever happen again, or we could personify any sort of deity of things happening and attribute part or all of the story to their intervention. What the ease of applying the Mammon-concept to the story shows to me personally is that this Mammon-concept is shaped right to take a seat as a full-fledged God; it has the required combination of specificity and flexibility.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 14, 2020, 12:13:42 am
...But since you like my luck, I'll point out where it can be tied to Mammon even more tightly than you've already discerned:

Your examples show a good understanding of how the Wyrd is woven throughout with economics. Or we can set aside the tapestry metaphor and think instead of the human body as perceived by a master of Kyoshu Jitsu. Economics is the pressure points the master can grip and thereby control the whole body.


We could go many ways from here -- we could call the tree a lucky tree, we could call me a person who has luck, we could fall in a hole about how improbable the whole thing was and ruminate on the unlikelihood that it would ever happen again, or we could personify any sort of deity of things happening and attribute part or all of the story to their intervention. What the ease of applying the Mammon-concept to the story shows to me personally is that this Mammon-concept is shaped right to take a seat as a full-fledged God; it has the required combination of specificity and flexibility.

Yes.

I'll add a little more to the cosmology. Think of Hell as the Old Country and Earth as the New World. (The analogy being drawn is to Italy and the United States in relation to the Mafia.) Satan is the Don in the Old Country and  Mammon is the Don in the New World.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 14, 2020, 06:57:47 pm
Quote from: Hapu
I adore the shopping cart.

The Satanic Cross I hung upon the cart made a nice "cha-ching" sound as I pulled a $20 bill from it today. Hail Mammon!
Title: Re: The Mammonite Blasphemy
Post by: Hapu on January 15, 2020, 10:34:42 am
When you read this, you may feel the urge to smirk or chuckle. That's to be expected and is even to some extent intended. Blasphemy will always be a little ridiculous. Just remember that (apparent) absurdity sheds light on truths that are normally obscured in darkness. Also remember that something can simultaneously be ridiculous and sublime.

THE MAMMONITE BLASPHEMY

Opulent Mammon,
Outcast Angel of Money and Its Purposes,
great and profound is your name.
Your empire spread,
your dominion be fed,
from Earth to every habitable world.

Give us this day all manner of assets and income,
reduce our liabilities and expenses,
and increase our equity.
Lead us in the paths of profit for your name's sake,
and deliver us from loss.

For yours is the property, the manpower, and the liquidity,
forever.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Liu on January 15, 2020, 07:01:09 pm
To me that doesn't feel ridiculous but pious. In a good way. In the sense of an expression of heart-felt devotion.

But lol @ the ambiguity of "equity".

It doesn't feel like piety to me if I fulfill my desires with stuff I get for free. It's economic thinking - unless it leads me to not use my opportunities due to downplaying my needs.

Your concluding sentence is on the right track. If I go to the library to get a book because that's the cheapest way for me to obtain what I want to read, and I have no need to own what I've read after I've read it, that's economic thinking, as you say. If I forego something I want because I have some notion of the moral excellence of asceticism, that's (a form of) piety.
But what if one has the notion that asceticism is good for one's mental wellbeing? I don't get morals but I get certain forms of asceticism. E.g. you may abstain from sweets not only for your physical health but also in order to make other food taste more enjoyable or to overcome the unpleasant cravings related to an addiction or to challenge your willpower. Doesn't mean you don't still want those sweets, but you also want these other benefits, and so you decide for that aspect of the will of yours that happens to fit under the label of asceticism.
Or what other reasons do people have for asceticism? All explanations for it I heard thus far, except for "because my religion says so", where of that kind. Well I guess one can also just believe in asceticism because it sounds right. Which is not bad per se, just going by feeling/intuition is often necessary after all. Which, incidentally, seems not too far off from what you are doing here:

It isn't necessary, nor is it the case, that all human decisions are motivated by economics. There will, nevertheless, be economic ramifications to almost every decision. I go to the gym to swim. I do this for health and fitness. I don't do this to make money. Nevertheless, I spend money in order to do it. That's an economic ramification.
I see - magickal/associative thinking, not causal/logical thinking.

Limiting things to the anthropological plane does not make any difference really on the causal level, but it feels like it, thereby making it easier to buy into it (pun not intended).

The difference to the pious (in your sense) person is which exactly? I can think of several points that may differ, but perhaps you want to explain it yourself which ones apply?
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 16, 2020, 01:45:10 am
But what if one has the notion that asceticism is good for one's mental wellbeing? I don't get morals but I get certain forms of asceticism. E.g. you may abstain from sweets not only for your physical health but also in order to make other food taste more enjoyable or to overcome the unpleasant cravings related to an addiction or to challenge your willpower. Doesn't mean you don't still want those sweets, but you also want these other benefits, and so you decide for that aspect of the will of yours that happens to fit under the label of asceticism.

All of that seems plausible and you're right, none of it is piety.
 

Or what other reasons do people have for asceticism? All explanations for it I heard thus far, except for "because my religion says so", were of that kind.

Physical or mental health or long term gain.


Limiting things to the anthropological plane does not make any difference really on the causal level, but it feels like it, thereby making it easier to buy into it (pun not intended).

I don't believe magic can alter the physical plane. Do a thousand rituals and you won't succeed at changing the color of the carpet. But magic can certainly alter the anthropological plane. Do one ritual well and you may redirect the vectors of human processes and lo and behold, the old carpet will be replaced, and the new carpet will be the color you wanted.


The difference to the pious (in your sense) person is which exactly? I can think of several points that may differ, but perhaps you want to explain it yourself which ones apply?

I don't understand your question. Difference between what and what?
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 16, 2020, 01:53:27 am
I put in a claim for a damaged office chair and was pleasantly surprised to be awarded a full refund, and the process was quick and painless. Mammon takes care of his own.

Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 16, 2020, 04:56:29 pm
Dear @Hapu (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=457), since I was unable to find a match, I was wondering if this Seal of Mammon is one of your own design or originated somewhere else. (It really doesn't matter as I prefer it to others I've seen, just curious.)
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Km Anu on January 16, 2020, 05:17:21 pm
We ran out of money, but I had saved 200 dollars in a jar around November for yuletide gifts and I guess we didnt use it. Without it we wouldnt have had groceries this week. I'm still not sure if this was a blessing but I'm  choosing to view it as such. I've yet to perform the ritual again though, I'm a little under the weather at the moment.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 17, 2020, 01:16:04 am
Dear @Hapu (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=457), since I was unable to find a match, I was wondering if this Seal of Mammon is one of your own design or originated somewhere else. (It really doesn't matter as I prefer it to others I've seen, just curious.)

I found the image by googling. I tried just now to find it again and it was difficult. I finally found it but couldn't link to the page it was on. Something about CV Magazine.

I also found a picture of a metallic pendant with the image on it.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 17, 2020, 12:50:51 pm
I couldn't help it.

Title: Re: Doxology of Mammon
Post by: Hapu on January 17, 2020, 01:06:35 pm
THE DOXOLOGY OF MAMMON

Gold be ascendant.
Mammon!
Gold over guns.
Mammon!
Gold over gods.
Mammon!
Gold over all.
Mammon!
His reign be everlasting.
Title: Re: Mammon as Monopoly Man
Post by: Hapu on January 17, 2020, 02:03:54 pm
Aside from a wolf, I haven't found any suggestion as to what Mammon would look like. (He's not the Bull God. That's Moloch.) So I've decided to visualize Mammon as Monopoly Man. It seems the perfect image.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 17, 2020, 02:36:34 pm
I like the idea. Monopoly had different game markers at different times, including an overflowing sack of cash.

Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 17, 2020, 05:39:41 pm
Speaking of Monopoly, let's not forget about wagers:

Over 25 years ago I was interested in a used (and rather obsolete) Commodore 128 desktop model, which had two main processors, two video processors, an audio synthesizer, and a built-in disk drive. It required a special monitor for the two video modes.

They wanted $200 for all of it, I talked them down to $80 for the computer and monitor. Good thing I did, as I blew up the extra video chip in attempts to create my own video modes. Otherwise the computer worked fine, but after that I was glad I paid the minimum price.

Title: Re: Money
Post by: Liu on January 18, 2020, 09:44:55 am
I don't believe magic can alter the physical plane. Do a thousand rituals and you won't succeed at changing the color of the carpet. But magic can certainly alter the anthropological plane. Do one ritual well and you may redirect the vectors of human processes and lo and behold, the old carpet will be replaced, and the new carpet will be the color you wanted.

I have heard claims for and against either working.
And I find it a tad difficult to see the exact border between the planes.
For example, I focus my magick mainly on the following things:
my physical well-being
my mental well-being (e.g. against anxiety)
randomness-factors in games

The first two out of necessity/to support other approaches, the last for the heck of it.

I think I have the most success in the 2nd realm, the least in the 1st. That would be in line with your belief, yet not with the mechanism behind it. Games are a part of the anthropological plane but randomness factors in them are completely independent from human action, and the body is a part of the physical plane but with doctors being part of the anthropological plane, there should be more opportunity for influencing the outcome.

I don't really do rituals, though, my approaches are mainly focused intention, spontaneous prayer, raising energy, scientifically proven methods like autogenic training, ... I have trouble getting into the proper mindset for a formal ritual.

Also, it's difficult to measure success. Perhaps I already have huge success with my magick and would be deadly sick without.

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The difference to the pious (in your sense) person is which exactly? I can think of several points that may differ, but perhaps you want to explain it yourself which ones apply?

I don't understand your question. Difference between what and what?
Between a pious belief in the virtue of asceticism and your belief in the power of Mammon.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 18, 2020, 10:48:53 am
I don't believe magic can alter the physical plane. Do a thousand rituals and you won't succeed at changing the color of the carpet. But magic can certainly alter the anthropological plane. Do one ritual well and you may redirect the vectors of human processes and lo and behold, the old carpet will be replaced, and the new carpet will be the color you wanted.

I have heard claims for and against either working.

You can let your own experience be the arbiter.


And I find it a tad difficult to see the exact border between the planes.
For example, I focus my magick mainly on the following things:
my physical well-being
my mental well-being (e.g. against anxiety)
randomness-factors in games

The first two out of necessity/to support other approaches, the last for the heck of it.

I think I have the most success in the 2nd realm, the least in the 1st.

To be expected. The 2nd realm is the subjective plane, where magic will always have the most success. The 1st realm is the physical plane, where magic will never work at all.


That would be in line with your belief, yet not with the mechanism behind it.

It entirely corroborates the mechanism I've suggested.


Games are a part of the anthropological plane but randomness factors in them are completely independent from human action

Not true. There is no such thing as true randomness. There is only human ignorance of the chain of causality.


...and the body is a part of the physical plane but with doctors being part of the anthropological plane, there should be more opportunity for influencing the outcome.

Good point. But there's another factor, which is the scope of the objective. If the field of medicine has not yet found a treatment for what ails you, doing magic to try to change that is to attempt something of colossal scope. The level of power required is beyond the potential of one magician working alone. You'd need an army.


I don't really do rituals, though, my approaches are mainly focused intention, spontaneous prayer, raising energy, scientifically proven methods like autogenic training, ... I have trouble getting into the proper mindset for a formal ritual.

My definition of ritual is simply, "doing magic." As far as I'm concerned, all the things you cited are rituals.


Also, it's difficult to measure success. Perhaps I already have huge success with my magick and would be deadly sick without.

That's doubtful. However, you're probably coping with your ailments much better as a result of your magic.

The difference to the pious (in your sense) person is which exactly? I can think of several points that may differ, but perhaps you want to explain it yourself which ones apply?

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I don't understand your question. Difference between what and what?

Between a pious belief in the virtue of asceticism and your belief in the power of Mammon.

I'm not sure the word "pious" can be applied to belief. Piety is something we do. I don't think of belief as a form of action.

Piety is right hand action. It's action done to please a higher power. I don't care about pleasing Mammon. I align with Mammon because Mammon aligns with me.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Liu on January 18, 2020, 05:38:51 pm
Not true. There is no such thing as true randomness. There is only human ignorance of the chain of causality.
Yes, but in the cases in question it seems purely dependent on the physical plane.
E.g., one game in which I had the impression of having quite some success with this was influencing random coin throws in Pokemon Trading Card Game Online, which I mainly played against other people.
Currently I mainly try to divine which direction to take in the randomly created maps in a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game, and my intuition for that seems not very good.

Where would be something on the anthropological plane to influence the randomness in these cases, except for, in the case of the coin throws, the magick of my opponent, which would actually make this more difficult?

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...and the body is a part of the physical plane but with doctors being part of the anthropological plane, there should be more opportunity for influencing the outcome.
Good point. But there's another factor, which is the scope of the objective. If the field of medicine has not yet found a treatment for what ails you, doing magic to try to change that is to attempt something of colossal scope. The level of power required is beyond the potential of one magician working alone. You'd need an army.
Which means I shouldn't beat myself up for not managing to improve that part, and just continue trying what I can and take things as they come.

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I don't really do rituals, though, my approaches are mainly focused intention, spontaneous prayer, raising energy, scientifically proven methods like autogenic training, ... I have trouble getting into the proper mindset for a formal ritual.
My definition of ritual is simply, "doing magic." As far as I'm concerned, all the things you cited are rituals.
I have a tendency to believe that I'm not actually practicing much but mainly being an armchair occultist (well I just like reading even if it may not be the most efficient way of learning this), so it's encouraging that you'd count these things as rituals.

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Also, it's difficult to measure success. Perhaps I already have huge success with my magick and would be deadly sick without.
That's doubtful. However, you're probably coping with your ailments much better as a result of your magic.
Yes, it doesn't seem likely to me either.
But it's certain that magick, or spirituality in general, is helping me coping.

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I'm not sure the word "pious" can be applied to belief. Piety is something we do. I don't think of belief as a form of action.

Piety is right hand action. It's action done to please a higher power. I don't care about pleasing Mammon. I align with Mammon because Mammon aligns with me.
That once more shows me how rarely I have to do with RHP-practitioners. Can't remember the last time I heard someone say or imply they'd do something because their deity wants them to, except for when they truly cared about that deity and therefore liked doing something for it, or in the context of a deal with a deity.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 21, 2020, 11:43:52 am
New version.




Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 21, 2020, 01:04:50 pm
New version.

Even better than the old one! Nicely done.

I'd very much enjoy it if you included your image in the next TIS.


Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on January 21, 2020, 02:11:51 pm
The whole idea would make for a great article, I'd be happy to assist. I like the seriousness combined with a sense of humor - Black Magic at it's finest. I'm wondering about the reverse side of the million-dollar bill, maybe do a stylized shopping cart, more Monopoly symbolism, etc. Perhaps "A Penny Saved is a Million Dollars not Earned".



Title: Re: Money
Post by: Melias on January 21, 2020, 03:52:10 pm
This thread is one of the finest in the entire forum, I think. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the contributions and debate, including the more humorous parts; they all make it very special and also uncommon (in a good way). Definitely journal material.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 22, 2020, 07:43:29 pm
Just thought I'd mention that I have Alexa play this song every time I join the forum.

https://youtu.be/sndo_wdc384 (https://youtu.be/sndo_wdc384)
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 23, 2020, 09:34:22 pm
My son-in-law unexpectedly gifted me with a $150 pair of sneakers! He got a deal on them but that too is Mammon.

Thank you Mammon!

Also I received my Mammon pendant in the mail today. See pic.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Melias on January 24, 2020, 12:04:01 am
Ah I really like that seal! Well done, awesome purchase! Seems like fine execution in every detail.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 27, 2020, 01:39:16 am
Today, by luck, i decided to go to the ATM, and when I saw my balance, something seemed off. Neurons fired, and I remembered I hadn't paid my credit cards, one of which had a payment due exactly today. I went home, fired up my laptop, and paid on the due date, preserving my stellar payment history.

Thanks Mammon.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on January 27, 2020, 10:07:40 pm
This afternoon, by luck, I checked my mailbox - which is down the street - and lo and behold, the monthly account statement I would normally receive a week later had arrived this afternoon, the 27th. I had been planning to pay off the entire remaining balance upon receiving this particular statement, but I was a little worried that by the time my payment got processed, some silly morsel of interest would have accrued, and I would have to be bothered with this bill for one more month. (I have to pay this stupid thing with money orders, which means a monthly trip to the post office, which for me is an irritant.) It turns out that by luck I had taken off a half day from work this afternoon, and so, being free to do as I pleased, I checked the hours of the post office, and, by luck, there was just enough time for me to pull together the papers I needed, drive to the post office, and complete the necessary transactions. I feel confident I won't get hit with some silly little mouthful of interest.

Do you see what happened? Luck enabled me to achieve peace of mind regarding financial matters. The world of money is actually becoming responsive to how I feel.

Thanks Mammon!
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Melias on January 29, 2020, 02:13:54 pm
Something really cool happened while implementing the link to Mammon.

First, it was the end of the month which was particularly difficult, and finances were low. Suddenly an influx due to come more than a week later came early, sorting me out. The other was, I was thinking very intently on 5 euro notes; like the dollar bill, they have this greenish hue which I like and as we all know, it has long been associated with money. Normally I don't get to see more than one or two of these notes due to going quickly for daily shopping. And I thought, wouldn't it be nice if I came home with a load of fivers? The day after (that is, today) it happened; through random exchanges I got eleven of those in my wallet!!! In all my years, this has never happened. I would get 4-5 at best, once every four years. But never 11 at the same morning, just after contemplating it before Mammon's altar!

(obviously someone can go to the bank and change money in order to get the fivers, but this defeats the point. The point is to happen naturally without forcing the issue, like true magic; the will provides the generative force but higher powers assist and the result takes place).

Thanks Mammon.
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on February 02, 2020, 12:05:43 pm
I'll be receiving several thousand dollars I wouldn't otherwise have gotten if a specific set of events had not occurred.

In the company I work for, annual bonuses are given, and pretty substantial ones. They're a function of gross pay and performance ranking. To get the highest ranking, you have to "walk on water," as we say in the company. There's also a quota. Less than 20% of all personnel can receive the highest ranking.

I was quite successful in my endeavors this past year, but another fellow in my work group, whom I'll name No Go, was even more successful. He would surely have gotten the highest ranking and I would not have. (My work group has more than five people but less than ten, and the nature of our work doesn't lend itself to the "walks on water" designation as readily as the nature of the work in some other groups, so typically, in my work group, only one person per year gets the highest ranking.) But then stuff happened.

No Go committed one of my company's cardinal sins. Nothing illegal, mind you, and not even unethical, but in the culture of my company, unforgivable. He was asked to take early retirement and he did so. Because of certain business virtues I happen to possess, I was asked to take over his work. (All of my prior work was handed off to other people.) Bear in mind, No Go had been doing his job for 15 years. He was one of the foremost subject matter experts in his area, and the only person in my work group who knew anything at all about his area, and he had documented practically nothing. Taking over his work has been quite the challenge.

So No Go is gone, and my year was pretty stellar, and I had taken over No Go's work. Can you guess who's getting the "walks on water" ranking? Yup. Right on the first try.

Several thousand dollars in my pocket.

Thanks Mammon!
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Melias on February 13, 2020, 01:49:59 pm
During the last few days I've been having discussions about Mammon with some friends. In fact, two of them have been pleasantly surprised by what I told them, and their interest peaked. When I got home I did some more cosmetic adds-on to the portable altar of Mammon, and at the same night, a female friend offered me 10 US dollars as a gift! I said, what for? For your work with Mammon, she said. (She was one of the two that I informed them about working with Mammon) - even so, 10 bucks earned like this was definitely Mammon's doing.

Tnanks Mammon!
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Hapu on February 18, 2020, 11:05:44 am
I finally went shopping for a new office chair to replace the one that was damaged (see prior post up above in this thread). I found a chair that was even better suited to me than the one that had been damaged, and this one was marked down from $260 to $150, nearly half off. I bought it with the reimbursement money I'd gotten for the broken one ($299) which means I had a better chair than before and $149 in my pocket.

Thanks Mammon!
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Melias on February 29, 2020, 12:00:48 pm
Last night was the second time this month a person I know gave me 20 euros simply because they liked me, without having to do anything to / for them. Both times it happened, I've been doing the entire focused formula regarding Mammon, and yes it happened again! That's a total of 40 euros without actually having to do anything more than being focused.

Thanks Mammon!
Title: Re: Money
Post by: Onyx on February 29, 2020, 12:08:41 pm
Apparently I have around $100 in quarters alone. I don't like to carry around too much change in the pocket, so in effect I've been saving a little extra money without really thinking about it. I don't intend to change my habits, but rather will continue to fill up the piggy-bank, which can always be cashed out in a pinch.