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Title: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: king_gimpy on March 08, 2019, 08:48:59 pm
As much as I feel drawn to Satan and the demons, I've always felt drawn to the Nordic gods as well and didn't really know how to go about working with two pantheons, or if that would make me less dedicated to Satan.

Thanks guys/gals for any info I receive.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Liu on March 08, 2019, 09:21:56 pm
Well, if we would tell you no:
What do you think, would Satan value it more if you would listen to what other people say?
Or if you would decide that you nevertheless want to worship other deities as well and consider your own desires more important than the common opinion?

So, I would say, if you wanna worship other deities, following through with that makes you more dedicated to Satan as you are thereby following your own will.
(Depends of course on your concept of Satan, though.)

And if you then end up only worshiping those other deities, well, would that be so bad if you feel like doing so?

Which Norse deities btw?
Would be a bit of a difference depending on whether you refer to Odin, or to Loki, or to, say, Freyr.
Depending on that, I would have quite different ideas on how to combine the pantheons.

In general, venerating both Satan and entities from other pantheons is pretty widespread among Satanists.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Xepera maSet on March 09, 2019, 02:56:17 am
Absolutely, Satan is just one form of this being, who has always been part of a greater pantheon. I mainly have been working with other Egyptian deities, a few Hebrew entities, and lately Mephisopheles.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Kapalika on March 09, 2019, 04:02:43 am
Sure, if you are a pantheist or polytheist.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Mindmaster on March 09, 2019, 10:03:34 am
As much as I feel drawn to Satan and the demons, I've always felt drawn to the Nordic gods as well and didn't really know how to go about working with two pantheons, or if that would make me less dedicated to Satan.

Thanks guys/gals for any info I receive.

My experience, is that Satan isn't some jealous Jehovah. :D He's my bro, he's fam, but he doesn't care if I date other girls. :D

Anyway, there are all sorts of legit reasons to add additional pantheons to one's realm of experience. If anything, it lets you know the gods don't exist in enmity.

I work with Celtic and Greek pantheons if they suit me, which many of them do, but I'm completely a Satanist through and through.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Mindmaster on March 09, 2019, 10:20:15 am
Absolutely, Satan is just one form of this being, who has always been part of a greater pantheon. I mainly have been working with other Egyptian deities, a few Hebrew entities, and lately Mephisopheles.

From where I sit, I don't ascribe to this, but I understand where you are coming from. To me, all these energies are very different things. But, that being said, there is great value in reaching out and having direct knowledge of these things. You're a Satanist, you make the rules, you can talk to anything you want. :D

But, that being said, I experience "Satan" as different from supposed cultural equivalents... to me they're all different folks.

This sort of prompts me to write, btw... I'm thinking about things like cultural and blood connections (which is most of the non-Satan deities I work with). Anyway, it's an interesting subject... People seem to think blood does not matter, but if you find out your genealogy you will find immediate connections with those spiritual beings very easy. Anyway, something to explore.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Kapalika on March 09, 2019, 01:53:19 pm
That too what other people said, Satan isn't the jealous type, and I think compliments many other pantheons depending on interpretation. Surprisingly (to some) religion wasn't so rejecting of the carnal and more earthly/human aspects of existence before Christianity came onto the scene.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Cabshear on March 10, 2019, 04:09:17 pm
The real question should be

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Why would one want to worship Satan?

The colloquial concept of worship is that of slaves. In the western world the notion of worship is pretty cut and dry. If Satan is adversarial to slave mentalities then he would not demand any slave-like worship. Quite the opposite actually! Satan would demand study, the empowerment of humankind via knowledge and understanding. Even the Romantic image of Satan in Milton's Paradise Lost: "For it is better to Reign in Hell, than to Serve in Heaven."

Satan wouldn't take the same stand as the gods of the Right Hand Path who demand slavish worship while hiding behind false concepts like charity, altruism, and holiness.

worship (verb)
wor·​ship | \ ˈwər-shəp also ˈwȯr-  \
worshipped also worshiped; worshipping also worshiping
Definition of worship (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1 : to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
a celebrity worshipped by her fans


Referenced from: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship

I do not accept Satan as a supernatural power or deity. Since there is a lack of evidence of supernatural deities in our world. Experience of something Super-normal is one thing, supernatural is something very different.

The real question is: Why would the rebel against Tyrant Deities (which probably don't exist) would even want to be worshiped the way those deities were?

No matter which way you slice it the path leads to Supernatural Madness. Inverse Christianity isn't LHP at all. It's just really Goth RHP. 

Worship of Satan is very much missing the greater point.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Liu on March 10, 2019, 05:19:13 pm
Devotional Satanism and Inverse Christianity are two very different things, though.

Why I would like to worship Satan?

Because it feels good to do so. Because I've fallen in love with my deity and need some way to express my feelings. Because it's part of my character to enjoy being submissive.

All that by the way independent of whether Satan exists as an actual being or not.

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I do not accept Satan as a supernatural power or deity. Since there is a lack of evidence of supernatural deities in our world. Experience of something Super-normal is one thing, supernatural is something very different.
I agree with you in preferring the term supernormal over supernatural - yet we needn't take that Merriam Webster-definition that literally, it likely still has the sense intended by the author if we exchange that term.
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Satan would demand study, the empowerment of humankind via knowledge and understanding.
Why would worship be in conflict with learning? Striving for knowledge is a form of worshiping Satan, imo.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Inlustratus on March 10, 2019, 08:52:32 pm
Why would worship be in conflict with learning? Striving for knowledge is a form of worshiping Satan, imo.

Exactly. If I had to give a name to my system of beliefs it would probably something like "Chaos-gnostic Luciferianism". Discovering Gnosis is the ultimate goal for myself which can be achieved through both veneration and learning. Now, I don't worship Lucifer in the same sense that 99% of religions worship their gods, but there is a deep sense of connection.

At the same time I both believe and don't believe in the literal existence of Lucifer. You decide ;)
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: king_gimpy on March 12, 2019, 12:49:46 am
I don't find worship or even adoration of Satan to be inherently bad. I admire him because he and the demons/fallen angels lead man to freedom. I am FREE to choose to worship Satan and work with he and his. He does not force me, nor does he threaten me if I do not.

I worship Satan because a relationship with him is what I want. It's nothing at all like the Christians who worship their "God" out of fear and guilt. I hate God, I view Satan as being everything God is not, chief of all he is freeing. He broke the chains of my Christian upbringing and let me see through the veil of guilt and shame they had blinded me with.

Satan opened my eyes, so I choose to work with him and worship him.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Onyx on April 02, 2019, 12:44:39 pm
I don't really care for the term "worship" that much. But when it comes to the belief in external deities, they can only be as real as what they represent is real. For that reason, I accept both atheistic and theistic interpretations, it hardly matters anyway.

Quote from: Cabshear
...there is a lack of evidence of supernatural deities in our world.

One thing we do have hard evidence for is that life is short and not always sweet. Having rejected conventional religion, we find our own ways to make it meaningful and enjoyable.

Quote from: Inlustratus
At the same time I both believe and don't believe in the literal existence of Lucifer.

I can relate to this statement, it's that unknown thing which is difficult to put a finger on. This probably isn't a real word, but dare I say "quasi-theism"?
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Lyscii on April 12, 2019, 07:18:00 pm
Quasi-Theism could apply to my point of view as well. I have yet to see anything that convinces me that any deity exists in the objective universe as anything more than an idea in the minds of humans, along with all the depictions that are in art and literature that result from this idea. But these ideas still exert an influence on us, changing our thoughts and actions. Whether or not Yahweh exists, millions of people have been killed in his name. I can perceive and interact with my interpretation of a deity, which varies from someone else's interpretation. I can do this and recognize that it is entirely possible that it is all in my head, but this doesn't have to reduce it's meaning.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Etu Malku on April 13, 2019, 03:35:56 pm
You can worship whatever/whoever you want . . . the quest is, why would you want to worship anything other than your Self? I'd like to point out that admiration and emulation are not forms of worshiping.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Kapalika on April 14, 2019, 12:59:46 am
I would rather someone worship Satan, or a pre-Christian god instead of Yahweh. I believe some gods are what I call "pretenders to the throne" i.e. anti-natural deities which seek eradication of innate nature.

Yahweh is the most popular of this, and in the Christian Bible they say that when a sinner accepts Yeshua that their old nature "dies" and that they gain a new nature (hence being "born again").

Contrasting, Satanists are "born, not made" just one day someone becomes aware of the description. Hindu view is that one's nature as divine is innate, just unrealized. Hence there is no destruction of the old nature, rather the destruction is of the new, illusion of confusion that obscures pure sight of nature (shuddha vidya). It is still pro-nature.

If a Satanist, Luciferian or Setian attempts to attain some form of "higher self" that is a realizing one's full potential, this is essentially embracing said nature. It was always there inside of them, innate.

Christianity would say to forsake this, and instead trust everything to a deity that keeps one limited so that they can be controlled. It is illusion and delusion, or in some cases something akin to a thought form that has taken on it's own life that group thought can no longer contain. It's existence relies on people being kept in spiritual infancy, otherwise they would realize it's unreal nature and it would die.

With the foundation of the natural world gone, or at least avoided, people stray further from their innate nature and become more stuck in ignorance. This is why I worship Satan and exalt the natural world; it is the key through which enlightenment is attained.

As it says on our homepage, "The Path of Darkness leads to Enlightenment." At least where I am coming from, the Universe and Kali are traditionally seen as "Darkness" and it is said the way to Shiva is through worship of Shakti (Darkness).

Many of us already do this, Setians have Set and the Black Flame, and Satanists have Satan and the Carnal. Luciferians emulate the same ideas, but with light to symbolize the revelation itself rather than the method but it's the same between all these paths IMO it's just different language and symbolism. These are all Left Hand Path so it makes sense that the methodology and underlying premise is the same.

I should clarify that on Luciferianism I think that there is more of a focus on balance. In Satanism this is sometimes touched upon for example in the idea of "counter productive pride" ect Setianism as far as I can tell, focuses more on exerting effort towards the realized self, as a process of refinement. Similar to Luciferian in that aspect of balance, but with more of a focus on overcoming the limitations of nature while embracing the more emergent aspects of consciousness.


In other words I think the underlying premises are largely the same, it's a difference of focus in various areas and different sides of similar (although not identical) "puzzles". What some might consider "unnatural" or supernatural I might consider totally "natural" which can really confuse the discussion, so take into consideration I am describing natural as that which is the most innate quality of something even if it is "alien" or "different" from the material world.

You can worship whatever/whoever you want . . . the quest is, why would you want to worship anything other than your Self? I'd like to point out that admiration and emulation are not forms of worshiping.

If one takes the position that Satan's nature and our nature are the same, or at least from the same source, then it is a veneration of the qualities that one seeks to emulate.

Functionally, worship of an archetype is to try to emulate and take on those traits. This is common in symbolic Satanism just without explicit worship. In Tantra, the LHP sects traditionally imitate the deities in a literal sense to take on their traits.

The idea is to become the deity which is synonymous with becoming equal to the deity but distinct because the god is a tool towards liberation . It is worship of Self. The deity is the vessel. This applies to any kind of path that seeks apotheosis.

This kind of worship lies out of fast and hard categories of theism and atheism.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Etu Malku on April 14, 2019, 01:35:42 am
I would rather someone worship Satan, or a pre-Christian god instead of Yahweh. I believe some gods are what I call "pretenders to the throne" i.e. anti-natural deities which seek eradication of innate nature.

Yahweh is the most popular of this, and in the Christian Bible they say that when a sinner accepts Yeshua that their old nature "dies" and that they gain a new nature (hence being "born again").

Contrasting, Satanists are "born, not made" just one day someone becomes aware of the description. Hindu view is that one's nature as divine is innate, just unrealized. Hence there is no destruction of the old nature, rather the destruction is of the new, illusion of confusion that obscures pure sight of nature (shuddha vidya). It is still pro-nature.

If a Satanist, Luciferian or Setian attempts to attain some form of "higher self" that is a realizing one's full potential, this is essentially embracing said nature. It was always there inside of them, innate.

Christianity would say to forsake this, and instead trust everything to a deity that keeps one limited so that they can be controlled. It is illusion and delusion, or in some cases something akin to a thought form that has taken on it's own life that group thought can no longer contain. It's existence relies on people being kept in spiritual infancy, otherwise they would realize it's unreal nature and it would die.

With the foundation of the natural world gone, or at least avoided, people stray further from their innate nature and become more stuck in ignorance. This is why I worship Satan and exalt the natural world; it is the key through which enlightenment is attained.

As it says on our homepage, "The Path of Darkness leads to Enlightenment." At least where I am coming from, the Universe and Kali are traditionally seen as "Darkness" and it is said the way to Shiva is through worship of Shakti (Darkness).

Many of us already do this, Setians have Set and the Black Flame, and Satanists have Satan and the Carnal. Luciferians emulate the same ideas, but with light to symbolize the revelation itself rather than the method but it's the same between all these paths IMO it's just different language and symbolism. These are all Left Hand Path so it makes sense that the methodology and underlying premise is the same.

I should clarify that on Luciferianism I think that there is more of a focus on balance. In Satanism this is sometimes touched upon for example in the idea of "counter productive pride" ect Setianism as far as I can tell, focuses more on exerting effort towards the realized self, as a process of refinement. Similar to Luciferian in that aspect of balance, but with more of a focus on overcoming the limitations of nature while embracing the more emergent aspects of consciousness.


In other words I think the underlying premises are largely the same, it's a difference of focus in various areas and different sides of similar (although not identical) "puzzles". What some might consider "unnatural" or supernatural I might consider totally "natural" which can really confuse the discussion, so take into consideration I am describing natural as that which is the most innate quality of something even if it is "alien" or "different" from the material world.

You can worship whatever/whoever you want . . . the quest is, why would you want to worship anything other than your Self? I'd like to point out that admiration and emulation are not forms of worshiping.

If one takes the position that Satan's nature and our nature are the same, or at least from the same source, then it is a veneration of the qualities that one seeks to emulate.

Functionally, worship of an archetype is to try to emulate and take on those traits. This is common in symbolic Satanism just without explicit worship. In Tantra, the LHP sects traditionally imitate the deities in a literal sense to take on their traits.

The idea is to become the deity which is synonymous with becoming equal to the deity but distinct because the god is a tool towards liberation . It is worship of Self. The deity is the vessel. This applies to any kind of path that seeks apotheosis.

This kind of worship lies out of fast and hard categories of theism and atheism.
We Mercuræns do not fall into what we believe to be delusion in regards to non-corporeal entities. Rather, we strive to realize further and further the only GOD we will ever come to know and hopefully understand . . . our GodSelf, or Greater Self.

Playing with archetypal structures and the like is merely reorganizing our neural synapses towards our ultimate goal.

Make no mistake, we believe those on 'any' so-called LHP who even entertain the ideas of non-corporeal entities or anything other than one's Greater Self are delusional at worst and confused at least.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Liu on April 14, 2019, 10:04:36 am
Quote from: Inlustratus
At the same time I both believe and don't believe in the literal existence of Lucifer.

I can relate to this statement, it's that unknown thing which is difficult to put a finger on. This probably isn't a real word, but dare I say "quasi-theism"?
That notion sounds familiar :mrgreen: I can't truly believe in a personal deity for the time being, but I utterly enjoy behaving as if it exists, and am convinced that it exists at least as an impersonal principle.

Many of us already do this, Setians have Set and the Black Flame, and Satanists have Satan and the Carnal. Luciferians emulate the same ideas, but with light to symbolize the revelation itself rather than the method but it's the same between all these paths IMO it's just different language and symbolism. These are all Left Hand Path so it makes sense that the methodology and underlying premise is the same.

I should clarify that on Luciferianism I think that there is more of a focus on balance. In Satanism this is sometimes touched upon for example in the idea of "counter productive pride" ect Setianism as far as I can tell, focuses more on exerting effort towards the realized self, as a process of refinement. Similar to Luciferian in that aspect of balance, but with more of a focus on overcoming the limitations of nature while embracing the more emergent aspects of consciousness.


In other words I think the underlying premises are largely the same, it's a difference of focus in various areas and different sides of similar (although not identical) "puzzles".

I don't really relate to that term carnal. What I associate with that puts the focus on not so central parts of my path. I have been told before that by my focus I'm rather a Luciferian than a Satanist. But that also doesn't seem to really fit.

You can worship whatever/whoever you want . . . the quest is, why would you want to worship anything other than your Self? I'd like to point out that admiration and emulation are not forms of worshiping.

Could you provide some definition of worship then?
According to Merriam Webster it's
"1 : to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion"

And admiration is a central aspect of worship in my opinion and can easily lead to emulation.


We Mercuræns do not fall into what we believe to be delusion in regards to non-corporeal entities. Rather, we strive to realize further and further the only GOD we will ever come to know and hopefully understand . . . our GodSelf, or Greater Self.

Playing with archetypal structures and the like is merely reorganizing our neural synapses towards our ultimate goal.

Make no mistake, we believe those on 'any' so-called LHP who even entertain the ideas of non-corporeal entities or anything other than one's Greater Self are delusional at worst and confused at least.
I wouldn't adopt such a dogmatic disbelief. I simply don't know whether non-corporeal entities exist, and I have heard of some stuff that is more easily explained by positing their existence.

But your position seems quite similar to what @Kapalika (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24) described the Hindu approach towards deities to be like.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Etu Malku on April 14, 2019, 05:23:06 pm
You can worship whatever/whoever you want . . . the quest is, why would you want to worship anything other than your Self? I'd like to point out that admiration and emulation are not forms of worshiping.

Could you provide some definition of worship then?
According to Merriam Webster it's
"1 : to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion"

And admiration is a central aspect of worship in my opinion and can easily lead to emulation.
In terms of the LHP I would define worship as placing something or someone on a higher spiritual level than oneself.


We Mercuræns do not fall into what we believe to be delusion in regards to non-corporeal entities. Rather, we strive to realize further and further the only GOD we will ever come to know and hopefully understand . . . our GodSelf, or Greater Self.

Playing with archetypal structures and the like is merely reorganizing our neural synapses towards our ultimate goal.

Make no mistake, we believe those on 'any' so-called LHP who even entertain the ideas of non-corporeal entities or anything other than one's Greater Self are delusional at worst and confused at least.
I wouldn't adopt such a dogmatic disbelief. I simply don't know whether non-corporeal entities exist, and I have heard of some stuff that is more easily explained by positing their existence.

But your position seems quite similar to what @Kapalika (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24) described the Hindu approach towards deities to be like.
[/quote]What is the "Hindu approach towards deities"?
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Liu on April 14, 2019, 07:05:21 pm
In terms of the LHP I would define worship as placing something or someone on a higher spiritual level than oneself.
Depends on what you mean by spiritual level - but merely believing that another entity is more powerful than oneself doesn't mean one is worshiping it, imo, nor would that belief be unLHPy in and of itself. Else, if this belief was forbidden to an LHPer and would turn out to be true, one would need to believe untruth to be an LHPer.

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What is the "Hindu approach towards deities"?
Well, it's not the same approach in all forms of Hinduism of course, but she wrote something about LHP-Tantra in her last comment in this thread - this was what I was referring to:
In Tantra, the LHP sects traditionally imitate the deities in a literal sense to take on their traits.

The idea is to become the deity which is synonymous with becoming equal to the deity but distinct because the god is a tool towards liberation . It is worship of Self. The deity is the vessel. This applies to any kind of path that seeks apotheosis.

This kind of worship lies out of fast and hard categories of theism and atheism.
I had been imprecise as you had just quoted the same so I thought you would know what I'm talking about. Nevertheless, pretty sure I heard of similar also in other forms of Hinduism, especially of course the advaita forms of it.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Liu on April 14, 2019, 07:48:58 pm
Oh, if by "placing" you don't mean "believing" but "acting as if" - then I can see why you would call that worshiping.
Still, I don't see anything wrong with that, I quite like to act in that way. I'm pretty sure that if there is something like a true will then mine involves submitting to my deity, independent of whether that deity exists, independent of whether it's just part of my psyche or not.
So how would me doing exactly what I want be in contradiction with the LHP?
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Etu Malku on April 15, 2019, 12:27:15 am
In terms of the LHP I would define worship as placing something or someone on a higher spiritual level than oneself.
Depends on what you mean by spiritual level - but merely believing that another entity is more powerful than oneself doesn't mean one is worshiping it, imo, nor would that belief be unLHPy in and of itself. Else, if this belief was forbidden to an LHPer and would turn out to be true, one would need to believe untruth to be an LHPer.

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What is the "Hindu approach towards deities"?
Well, it's not the same approach in all forms of Hinduism of course, but she wrote something about LHP-Tantra in her last comment in this thread - this was what I was referring to:
In Tantra, the LHP sects traditionally imitate the deities in a literal sense to take on their traits.

The idea is to become the deity which is synonymous with becoming equal to the deity but distinct because the god is a tool towards liberation . It is worship of Self. The deity is the vessel. This applies to any kind of path that seeks apotheosis.

This kind of worship lies out of fast and hard categories of theism and atheism.
I had been imprecise as you had just quoted the same so I thought you would know what I'm talking about. Nevertheless, pretty sure I heard of similar also in other forms of Hinduism, especially of course the advaita forms of it.
It is a well-known fact that I do not agree with Kapalika's understanding of the left hand path or Hinduism. this is why I was surprised by your association between us.

My understanding of 'worship' is relative to the word 'supplicate', Theistic Satanism or spiritual Satanism is the umbrella term for religious beliefs that consider Satan as an objectively existing supernatural being or force worthy of supplication, with whom individuals may contact, convene and even praise, rather than him being just an archetype, symbol or idea as in LaVeyan Satanism.

The word 'Supplication' means the action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly", it deserves attention from the definition in that this is a key difference between Theistic and non-Theistic Satanism. Non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism has no supplication involved, does not believe in deities other than archetypal structures, or symbols.
Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Onyx on April 15, 2019, 01:48:11 am
Quote from: Etu Malku
The word 'Supplication' means the action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly", it deserves attention from the definition in that this is a key difference between Theistic and non-Theistic Satanism. Non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism has no supplication involved, does not believe in deities other than archetypal structures, or symbols.

Dr. Flowers once described the Prince of Darkness as the "prime-initiator of isolate self-aware intelligence". But forget about theism, what about auto-theism? One definition from the Oxford dictionary:

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Belief in oneself as God, or a god; self-deification or self-worship.

Conventional religions teach that one day I will meet my maker. Who is the maker? As it stands, the only maker I am subject to is myself. I've made the joke before that if I prayed or groveled before Set, he would probably send a tornado my way in return.

One friend has used the phrase "Set is both within and without". My interpretation of that is sort of like the difference between mathematical Pi written as a subjectively perfect representation versus it only existing in the objective realm as an approximation. The most accurate approximations of Pi probably exist in the large memories of supercomputers of our own design rather than within nature itself.

I do consider myself to be a theist, but my apprehension of Set is pretty abstract. I invoke "the Set within", as I've already been deigned with the means to explore the essence of Selfhood on my own.

Title: Re: Can one worship Satan and other pantheons?
Post by: Liu on April 15, 2019, 04:56:36 am
It is a well-known fact that I do not agree with Kapalika's understanding of the left hand path or Hinduism. this is why I was surprised by your association between us.
I see - well, I came to a similar understanding of (some forms of) Hinduism independent of her, which is why I agree with her on that.

She seems much more knowledgeable on Hinduism than I am, though.

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My understanding of 'worship' is relative to the word 'supplicate', Theistic Satanism or spiritual Satanism is the umbrella term for religious beliefs that consider Satan as an objectively existing supernatural being or force worthy of supplication, with whom individuals may contact, convene and even praise, rather than him being just an archetype, symbol or idea as in LaVeyan Satanism.

The word 'Supplication' means the action of asking or begging for something earnestly or humbly", it deserves attention from the definition in that this is a key difference between Theistic and non-Theistic Satanism. Non-Theistic Satanism/Luciferianism has no supplication involved, does not believe in deities other than archetypal structures, or symbols.
Also some non-theistic Satanists employ such behavior, though, it's not limited to theists.

One friend has used the phrase "Set is both within and without".
One of my first sources on theistic Satanism said something very similar about Satan and it's a fundamental aspect of my own approach.

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My interpretation of that is sort of like the difference between mathematical Pi written as a subjectively perfect representation versus it only existing in the objective realm as an approximation. The most accurate approximations of Pi probably exist in the large memories of supercomputers of our own design rather than within nature itself.
That's along the lines of my interpretation of Satan when I'm in an atheistic (or merely deistic and autotheistic) mood.