Forum => General LHP Discussion => Satanism => Topic started by: Xepera maSet on January 16, 2019, 06:54:31 pm

Title: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Xepera maSet on January 16, 2019, 06:54:31 pm
At first I was unimpressed with TSB50. I was bothered by the use of the title, the mostly repeated information from Dr. Aquino's other books, etc. But after thinking on the subject I have changed my view.

TSB50 is the complete magnum opus of Dr. Aquino, his Great Work. It is his most important religious works, ideas, arguments, anecdotes, etc. It fully explains his world view without having to grab ToS, CoS, MindWar/Star/Find Far, etc and compile the info. And as always, it is the same level of genius one has come to expect. I honestly almost wish I'd waited for TSB50 instead of reading his non-fiction as it came out

As for the title, I have no problem anymore. LaVey's TSB, as inspiring as it's been, was 1/2 plagerism and 1/2 random articles compiled simply to produce a book. It hasn't been adjusted or update, remaining a book of an organizations beginning, but not accounting for discoveries since then. Further, it is a work supported by LaVey's family, which matters far more here than what the CoS thinks about it. There's something beautiful about Dr. Aquino's great work returning to his Satanic Roots, and it's inspired the Satanist in me once more. Besides, as Aquino provides from LaVey himself in a recognition letter, who better to update and rebirth Satanism than his Right Hand Man?

In the end TSB50 may not he necessary if you've kept up with Aquino. All the same it is his Magnum Opus and that alone makes it worth having. It's also nice to have a Satanic Bible to put out which creates an air of respect and true wonder. But if you haven't read Aquino or about Satanism, this is a must have. Great work!
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Kapalika on January 17, 2019, 12:24:38 am
My only real problem was the weird text in the allegory parts and that those sections read really dry, in terms of an objective review. Maybe a pet peeve or two elsewhere but nothing out of the ordinary. Granted, I never really read more than parts of it. I wanted to read it mostly in order but those allegory parts just kinda killed it for me (talking about the stories about the angels and stuff).
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Xepera maSet on January 17, 2019, 12:48:58 am
You didn't like The Diabolicon @Kapalika (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24) ?
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Kapalika on January 17, 2019, 05:04:51 am
You didn't like The Diabolicon @Kapalika (http://orderoftheserpent.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24) ?


That's probably it? My copy is at the old apartment, with most of my stuff until I find a place to stay, so I Can't really check what section it is.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: idgo on January 17, 2019, 05:33:53 am
I'm still trying to figure out whether the illegible fonts are to look cooler to angsty teens, or because having to work to read it is supposed to make you value the words more and find them more insightful.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Xepera maSet on January 17, 2019, 05:37:32 am
I'm still trying to figure out whether the illegible fonts are to look cooler to angsty teens, or because having to work to read it is supposed to make you value the words more and find them more insightful.

Aquino said in an interview it is so one takes their time reading it.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Kapalika on January 17, 2019, 06:08:06 am
I'm still trying to figure out whether the illegible fonts are to look cooler to angsty teens, or because having to work to read it is supposed to make you value the words more and find them more insightful.

Aquino said in an interview it is so one takes their time reading it.

Aquino actually responded to this criticism directly on an Amazon review: (https://www.amazon.com/review/R2RAQLJVLV86JZ/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B07GSGRK85)

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Touché on the fonts; For dæmonic texts I was looking for something suitable/legible, and this was the best compromise I could find. Just putting the texts in Times would have been like surrounding the Baphomet with S-A-T-A-N!

Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Kapalika on January 17, 2019, 06:12:02 am
I notice a lot of occult / Satanism websites and texts suffer very much from poor design, as if it's an after thought.


If I ever get around to writing my own book (hell even for my own reference) the graphics is something I'd easily toss money at.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Inlustratus on January 17, 2019, 08:09:33 am
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Touché on the fonts; For dæmonic texts I was looking for something suitable/legible, and this was the best compromise I could find. Just putting the texts in Times would have been like surrounding the Baphomet with S-A-T-A-N!

I haven't read the book but from what I've seen on Amazon it's normal. Reading Catechism of Lucifer with a cool font made it a pain in the ass. Personally I prefer a slicker design and minimalism.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Onyx on January 17, 2019, 12:10:24 pm
Old-English type fonts are nice for aesthetics in headings, but make for a terrible reading experience in terms of the copy text. The fonts in Aquino's book are strange in places but more readable then that, lol.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: idgo on January 17, 2019, 08:39:07 pm
Sadly, we're not even talking a proper Gothic font. We're talking "heavy metal band couldn't afford the cost of a real graphic designer to put the tour dates on their t-shirt" level angst. We're talking "those special fonts to make the letters look the right way up for dyslexics, but with the weight in random spots on the letters instead of on the bottom".

Needless to say, I am not a fan.

(https://i.imgur.com/vf5oVTe.png)
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Inlustratus on January 17, 2019, 09:30:07 pm
heavy metal band couldn't afford the cost of a real graphic designer to put the tour dates on their t-shirt

Lol. It's... ugly, but not too bad like the, already mentioned, Catechism of Lucifer. I swear to god sometimes I have no idea what it says. Letters u and n are completely the same and sometimes change how they look. I wish I was kidding.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Xepera maSet on January 17, 2019, 09:44:48 pm
I mean, Google "Diabolicon" and read it like we all did for years before now?
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: NEMO 93 on January 19, 2019, 02:55:13 am
It's probably my favorite Satanic, in the modern sense, text. I really want to read Mindwar next.

My only problems with Aquino are not solved in this. One is his philosophical arguments based in traditional philosophy are unconvincing and seem very biased. The other being he's often wrong about certain Academic areas like history and other things.

But his over-all philosophy and paradigm is very inspiring and useful and I'm glad I own this version of the Satanic Bible, it has a lot of amazing stuff in there.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Onyx on January 19, 2019, 03:03:56 am
The book has grown on me quite a bit, lots of stuff in one place.

Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Kapalika on January 20, 2019, 02:37:54 am
We're talking "those special fonts to make the letters look the right way up for dyslexics, but with the weight in random spots on the letters instead of on the bottom".

Needless to say, I am not a fan.

That might be part of my problem with that section, in that, well I think it's worse for dyslexics.

I've never been officially diagnosed with dyslexia but at some point in adulthood I started to suspect I inherited the lesser known form of it from my mom, who is dyslexic.

It was really hard to read, I already loose my line/place with normal text, and get confused with strings of numbers and I've always had sequencing issues with pronunciation and weird spellings. Never had letters looking like other letters though, sometimes just a confusing fuzzy incomprehensible vagueness for a couple moments.

The text kind of made that worse as it's unfamiliar and all capitals basically. I don't know how many times I lost my place. Also, it reads really dry and honestly it was kind of boring. It wasn't vivid and it felt dull and was filled with a ton of angels that I gave no shits about why I should care about their cosmic drama.

Granted, I loved the sections before that. Makes me want to read what else he wrote about the early CoS history. I actually learned a lot from the earlier parts of the book. At some point I'll finish reading the whole thing, if anyone knows if I miss out on any context or not by skipping the weird text sections that would be appreciated as that is what halted me from finishing it. I just can't stand that section.
Title: Re: Re-Review of The Satanic Bible 50th Anniversary ReVision
Post by: Xepera maSet on January 20, 2019, 02:55:32 pm
Ah, I can see dyslexia being a big issue. I can't post one here because ToS is hardcore about it, but you can find a normal text Diabolicon on line pretty easily.